UC vs. Syracuse

[TheLongHaul]

I would completely disagree. SK couldn't penetrate against their zone using a dribble drive, he just doesn't have the handle. He would have pulled up and taken a contested 3 and then you would have complained that they didn't get the ball to Cash, who is their best 3 point shooter. Earleir in the game, SK tried to penetrate, lost the ball, and Guyn tried to save it but was on the end line. Result- a turnover.

Saying that SU forced Cash to make a play has nothing to do with expecting SU to lay down. Yeah, it is called defense. And SU is as good at playing it as anyone in the country. How about giving them some credit, rather than pointing to our players IQ. BTW, Cash's shot was blocked against ND, not SJU. And he had a good look against SU, it just didn't go down.

That's fine, that's your opinion. I disagree with it but you are completely wrong when you say I'd complain if it went to SK instead of Cash. In fact, I really wouldn't complain if either of them ended up with the shot. It's the fact that it was a bad shot, not necessarily the person shooting it. Though SK was the hot hand and Cash had been struggling....If you are really happy with that shot they should run that play every time down the court because if they want a fadeaway contested 3, I guarantee you that they can have that shot whenever they want and the defense will gladly give it to him.

Okay, so it was ND. Were you happy with that shot selection?

Cronin has said on multiple occasions that they need to improve their passing. That has nothing to do with basketball IQ. They settle for jump shot because they have no inside presence and the guards have little confidence in the bigs.

What was their excuse last year when they had an inside presence and had confidence in their bigs (Yancy)?

 

[anbuc88]

That's fine, that's your opinion. I disagree with it but you are completely wrong when you say I'd complain if it went to SK instead of Cash. In fact, I really wouldn't complain if either of them ended up with the shot. It's the fact that it was a bad shot, not necessarily the person shooting it. Though SK was the hot hand and Cash had been struggling....If you are really happy with that shot they should run that play every time down the court because if they want a fadeaway contested 3, I guarantee you that they can have that shot whenever they want and the defense will gladly give it to him.

Okay, so it was ND. Were you happy with that shot selection?



What was their excuse last year when they had an inside presence and had confidence in their bigs (Yancy)?

And its your opinion that it was a bad shot. Cash tried to probe the defense, was cut off and then had an open look. It was not a fade away with a hand in his face. Go look at the tape. Would he have liked to get a better shot. YES. But with 5 seconds left on the clock it was as good as you can expect. It' s assinine to say that I think we should run that play every time down the court. Please don't be so condescending, and act like you know basketball better than me, cause you don't. We can get better shots but given the circumstance, this was not a prayer that he put up.

Against ND at the end of the game they guarded the 3 point line, and were willing to give up the easy 2. Remember this was with less than 10 seconds left and the likelihood that the Cats could come back was almost 0.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Cronin has said on multiple occasions that they need to improve their passing. That has nothing to do with basketball IQ. They settle for jump shot because they have no inside presence and the guards have little confidence in the bigs.

If that's all you think it is you're missing a lot of basketball. Passing has a lot to do with iq and so does settling for jump shots when you aren't hitting them.

 

[JumpinJack5]

If that's all you think it is you're missing a lot of basketball. Passing has a lot to do with iq and so does settling for jump shots when you aren't hitting them.

This is where Rubles and last game, JJ, have really helped out. They made some really nice passes.

 

[TheLongHaul]

And its your opinion that it was a bad shot. Cash tried to probe the defense, was cut off and then had an open look. It was not a fade away with a hand in his face. Go look at the tape. Would he have liked to get a better shot. YES. But with 5 seconds left on the clock it was as good as you can expect. It' s assinine to say that I think we should run that play every time down the court. Please don't be so condescending, and act like you know basketball better than me, cause you don't. We can get better shots but given the circumstance, this was not a prayer that he put up.

Against ND at the end of the game they guarded the 3 point line, and were willing to give up the easy 2. Remember this was with less than 10 seconds left and the likelihood that the Cats could come back was almost 0.

Of course its my opinion. Like I said you have yours and there is nothing wrong with it. I just disagree. You said yourself they can get better shot but to do it you have to make an attempt. That shot will always be there.

So you didnt mind the last play against ND? Okay....

 

[anbuc88]

Of course its my opinion. Like I said you have yours and there is nothing wrong with it. I just disagree. You said yourself they can get better shot but to do it you have to make an attempt. That shot will always be there.

So you didnt mind the last play against ND? Okay....

Don't be an idiot. Who would be OK with that shot. But put it into the context of the game. If Cooley was on Cash in that same setting earlier in the game he would drive by him and take it to the bucket. In the last 10 seconds when they needed a 3, Cash was stuck with Cooley on him and got the shot blocked. Since you are such an offensive guru and think it so easy to get any shot you want anytime you want, why don't you offer your talents to the coaching fraternity. A guy with your offensive genius is being wasted on a message board.

And BTW, you don't think they try to get the best shot they can. On the last play against SU, Cash tried to penetrate, was cut off, and when he turned and looked up he was open. He thus let a 3 pointer fly and just missed. I'm sure you feel much worse about this than he does. But then again, he just didn't try and settled for a shot that would always be there.

 

[UCalum08]

Don't be an idiot. Who would be OK with that shot. But put it into the context of the game. If Cooley was on Cash in that same setting earlier in the game he would drive by him and take it to the bucket. In the last 10 seconds when they needed a 3, Cash was stuck with Cooley on him and got the shot blocked. Since you are such an offensive guru and think it so easy to get any shot you want anytime you want, why don't you offer your talents to the coaching fraternity. A guy with your offensive genius is being wasted on a message board.

And BTW, you don't think they try to get the best shot they can. On the last play against SU, Cash tried to penetrate, was cut off, and when he turned and looked up he was open. He thus let a 3 pointer fly and just missed. I'm sure you feel much worse about this than he does. But then again, he just didn't try and settled for a shot that would always be there.

Spot on IMO. I am not here to argue the final shot because I was fine with it. I really would have liked to see SK in place of Cash tho, for the sole purpose Cash's knee was clearly holding his play back. Would you agree with that statement? Other than that it is what it was and that is basketball.

 

[anbuc88]

Spot on IMO. I am not here to argue the final shot because I was fine with it. I really would have liked to see SK in place of Cash tho, for the sole purpose Cash's knee was clearly holding his play back. Would you agree with that statement? Other than that it is what it was and that is basketball.

I would have also liked SK to take the last shot. But Boeheim is not an idiot. He played denial defense on SK on that last possession. I would have been satisfied if JP had gotten the last shot also, as he had a strong second half. Cash is our best 3 point shooter, so an open look for him at the end of the game is something I can live with. He had come through in the Alabama game, in the SJU game (giving them a 1 point lead with less than a minute to play), so I wasn't upset that he took the last shot. I was more upset about how the last 3 minutes went, and the fact that we needed to make a last second shot to even force overtime.

 

[Bearcat04]

And its your opinion that it was a bad shot. Cash tried to probe the defense, was cut off and then had an open look. It was not a fade away with a hand in his face. Go look at the tape. Would he have liked to get a better shot. YES. But with 5 seconds left on the clock it was as good as you can expect. It' s assinine to say that I think we should run that play every time down the court. Please don't be so condescending, and act like you know basketball better than me, cause you don't. We can get better shots but given the circumstance, this was not a prayer that he put up.

Speaking of bad shots, MCW's late 3 was a much worse decision, but unfortunately for us he made it. Having a sub 30% outside shooter fire a 3 less than 10 seconds into the shot clock is not good offense, especially when you are at home in a one possession game.

I was actually hoping they'd shoot a 3 and crash the boards, but I would have liked to see a catch and shoot scenario. Didn't love Cash's shot. At the same time I don't get the outrage over it.

 

[UCalum08]

Speaking of bad shots, MCW's late 3 was a much worse decision, but unfortunately for us he made it. Having a sub 30% outside shooter fire a 3 less than 10 seconds into the shot clock is not good offense, especially when you are at home in a one possession game.

I was actually hoping they'd shoot a 3 and crash the boards, but I would have liked to see a catch and shoot scenario. Didn't love Cash's shot. At the same time I don't get the outrage over it.

Nice point about mcw BS 3 and the BS tip in. But that is why there is a black cloud over Cincinnati sports and the sport god pisses all over us.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Don't be an idiot. Who would be OK with that shot. But put it into the context of the game. If Cooley was on Cash in that same setting earlier in the game he would drive by him and take it to the bucket. In the last 10 seconds when they needed a 3, Cash was stuck with Cooley on him and got the shot blocked. Since you are such an offensive guru and think it so easy to get any shot you want anytime you want, why don't you offer your talents to the coaching fraternity. A guy with your offensive genius is being wasted on a message board.

And BTW, you don't think they try to get the best shot they can. On the last play against SU, Cash tried to penetrate, was cut off, and when he turned and looked up he was open. He thus let a 3 pointer fly and just missed. I'm sure you feel much worse about this than he does. But then again, he just didn't try and settled for a shot that would always be there.

Okay, whatever, don't take it so personally. You thought it was a good shot, I didn't.

Speaking of bad shots, MCW's late 3 was a much worse decision, but unfortunately for us he made it. Having a sub 30% outside shooter fire a 3 less than 10 seconds into the shot clock is not good offense, especially when you are at home in a one possession game.

I was actually hoping they'd shoot a 3 and crash the boards, but I would have liked to see a catch and shoot scenario. Didn't love Cash's shot. At the same time I don't get the outrage over it.

I'm not saying MCW's 3 was a great shot, but he was wide open and they were down 3 with a minute to go. SK went completely under the screen which gave him a wide open look at the top of the key. I'm sure SU would have preferred (obviously prior to the shot) to have Triche or Southerland take it but they aren't that much better from out there.

Not sure anyone is outraged over Cash's shot. I myself would have just preferred them work for a better shot and simply disagree with it being a good shot. Message boards are made for discussing but some take it so personal if they disagree with their opinion or if they criticize UC in the slightest.

 

[Bearcat04]

I'm not saying MCW's 3 was a great shot, but he was wide open and they were down 3 with a minute to go. SK went completely under the screen which gave him a wide open look at the top of the key. I'm sure SU would have preferred (obviously prior to the shot) to have Triche or Southerland take it but they aren't that much better from out there.

Not sure anyone is outraged over Cash's shot. I myself would have just preferred them work for a better shot and simply disagree with it being a good shot. Message boards are made for discussing but some take it so personal if they disagree with their opinion or if they criticize UC in the slightest.

MCW did not have a wide open shot. SK clearly contested it and I thought he might even get a piece of it.

I'm all for good discussion. No problems here.

 

[anbuc88]

Okay, whatever, don't take it so personally. You thought it was a good shot, I didn't.

You are missing my point. In last second situation, you can't always draw a play and expect to get a wide open shot. With 5 seconds left, this was an open look and we couldn't have asked for much more. With 10 minutes left in the game, this would have been a terrible shot as no one was underneath to rebound and we could have worked to get a better look. If you think that good looks at the end of a game against a quality defensive team is easy to get, go look at the end of the MSU-OSU game this weekend. Shannon Scott put up a prayer that had no chance to go in. If Cash had taken such a shot I think criticism would be valid.

 

[Scheids21]

36 hours later...I guarantee that wasn't what was drawn up, but I will take a cashmere 3 pointer from dead center on the road for the win against the #3 team as a plan B any day.

 

[JumpinJack5]

Yup, not a bad shot. Would've liked to see SK get more touches down the stretch, but what are you gonna do? The role players stepped up in the second half and even when we struggled towards the end, were still trying to get better shots in that tough zone.

 

[TheLongHaul]

I get your point anbuc. I think they could have done better to get a better look. Agree to disagree.

 

[JackBauer151]

Love what PDoc said in the enquirer this morning about UC.....

AND MORE ABOUT UC-CUSE… Sometimes, losses make a team even more intriguing. I love the potential of this UC team, more after Monday’s L than before it. UC has a certified, go-to stud scorer. Locally, S. Kilpatrick is becoming as automatic as Jordan Crawford was at X, and D. Fortson was, a long time ago. It has a senior point guard, very important in March, assuming Cash Wright returns to being money. It has a nascent (look it up, Mobsters) everywhere man in T. Rubles. Rubles is long on defense. He can handle the ball. He can rebound. When UC stuck him in the high post in the second half Monday, the offense came alive.

Rubles can’t score much. He should never take another 3. But he’s dangerous enough, you can’t leave him open, lest he drive to the basket. That opens things for other guys. Meanwhile, J. Parker is the sort of steady hand that’s very useful in big games.

The weakness remains close to the hoop. If either Mbodj or Nyarsuk were even the smallest threat to score, teams such as Syracuse couldn’t extend the zone the way the Orange did Monday. As it is, neither guy is even close to having game on offense. Developing that will take more time than UC has this season.

Regardless, I’m starting to like this team. If the growth continues over the next six weeks, March could be fun.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/daugherty/2013/01/23/the-morning-line-123-2/

 

[Hicks' Guns]

I had to look it up:

nas·cent
/ˈnāsənt/Adjective
1.(esp. of a process or organization) Just coming into existence and beginning to display signs of future potential; not yet fully developed.
2.(chiefly of hydrogen) Freshly generated in a reactive form.

 

[UCalum08]

I enjoy P Doc's TML articles and other articles as well. He really knows how to put everything into perspective and understands Cincinnati sports really well.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Love what PDoc said in the enquirer this morning about UC.....

AND MORE ABOUT UC-CUSE… Sometimes, losses make a team even more intriguing. I love the potential of this UC team, more after Monday’s L than before it. UC has a certified, go-to stud scorer. Locally, S. Kilpatrick is becoming as automatic as Jordan Crawford was at X, and D. Fortson was, a long time ago. It has a senior point guard, very important in March, assuming Cash Wright returns to being money. It has a nascent (look it up, Mobsters) everywhere man in T. Rubles. Rubles is long on defense. He can handle the ball. He can rebound. When UC stuck him in the high post in the second half Monday, the offense came alive.

Rubles can’t score much. He should never take another 3. But he’s dangerous enough, you can’t leave him open, lest he drive to the basket. That opens things for other guys. Meanwhile, J. Parker is the sort of steady hand that’s very useful in big games.

The weakness remains close to the hoop. If either Mbodj or Nyarsuk were even the smallest threat to score, teams such as Syracuse couldn’t extend the zone the way the Orange did Monday. As it is, neither guy is even close to having game on offense. Developing that will take more time than UC has this season.

Regardless, I’m starting to like this team. If the growth continues over the next six weeks, March could be fun.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/daugherty/2013/01/23/the-morning-line-123-2/

Jack, I made the same observation all year. I would give my kingdom for a inside scoring threat. People imply the problem with UC is that they have a low basketball IQ. They indicate they don't run a offense. both of these assumptions are off target. Do they make maisstakes sure. What team doesn't? Offensively and defensively people have to understand you coach trying to play to your strengths. The other coach trys to take those away. Then you have the game itself and its issues. Cold shooting,Foul trouble and injuries to name a few. Fact is this team does a couple of things consistently, Play hard and guard. They also rebound. If they had a post presence that could at least demand single coverage it would create so much more space we would be a top 5 team. This teams NCAA tourney will be based on how far Modj and Rubles can elevate their games. As PDoc said, I don't have much hope for Modj but I can see Rubles getting better each game. Give me a post up big man that can get position and finish at the hoop or kick out to wing when wings man drops down to double and we would be a threat to go all the way. Right now we are void of any threat down low allowing perimeter defenders to concentrate solely on the wings. Been that way all year. The fact that Cash,Parker and SK are having the seasons they are is a tribute to their individual talent and toughness.