Thegreatone
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Would we be in better position if Nancy Zimpher was the university president?
What if Nancy Z was still here?
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Kingsley Court
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Not sure, I don't think they could be in a worse position though.
TheLivingLegend
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the school would not exist.
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How so? I don't think UC is in that poor of a position. A weak Big East or Big XII is not exactly Big 10 but many others would trade us.
Yes, Nancy Z would be able to get UC into the Big 10.
Did I ever mention that on my coffee table I have a book on the history of UC personally autographed by Nancy to me.
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I don't know, I was assuming you meant if she was here before/during all the conference realignment. If she was, I don't know if she could be in a worse position, not that UC is in a terrible position in regards to the college football landscape. Of course many would love to be in UC's situation. If she was at UC, I don't think they would be in any worse of a position than they are in now.
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Does UC have AAU status? That is extremely important if you want to join the Big 10. Nebraska had it when they joined (lost it after) and now the Big 10 is working on getting them back into AAU status.
Also, do you think OSU would let UC join, even if they did have AAU status (I don't know if they do or not)
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UC does not have AAU status but is comparable to many institutions that do. If UC was admitted into the Big 10, they would have AAU status in no time. Schools in the AAU do their best not to let anyone else in the club even if they are deserving in order to keep the club as prestigious as possible. The bigger issue is OSU not wanting competition in the state. They would do everything in their power to keep UC out. Also, Ralph, Nancy Z would not have UC in the Big 10 right now. I hope you were kidding. If not, you are more dilusional than I already thought.
TheLivingLegend
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UC to the Big10 is comical. Even if it was remotely possible, which it isnt, I have zero interest in seeing UC in the Big10.
NancyZ had absolute responsibilty for burrying UC athletics for 5 years. The school would be in a state of non existance by this point.
NancyZ had absolute responsibilty for burrying UC athletics for 5 years. The school would be in a state of non existance by this point.
TheLivingLegend
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Let me expand....
If Nancy Z doesnt put UC in the dark ages UC basketball lead by bob huggins would have thrived early on in the BigEast. Quickly becoming one of the top programs in the best basketball conference. UC basketball would have been within the likes of syracuse and pitt and off to the ACC.
Because UC had a rebuilding process UC was no where near an elite program in the BigEast. Because of this they will be left behind when everything falls apart.
UC athletics is still paying for the actions of NancyZ...
If Nancy Z doesnt put UC in the dark ages UC basketball lead by bob huggins would have thrived early on in the BigEast. Quickly becoming one of the top programs in the best basketball conference. UC basketball would have been within the likes of syracuse and pitt and off to the ACC.
Because UC had a rebuilding process UC was no where near an elite program in the BigEast. Because of this they will be left behind when everything falls apart.
UC athletics is still paying for the actions of NancyZ...
Bearcat_NTS
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Yeah because UL's elite basketball got them into the ACC, and they generated more revenue than most schools do in football. I suggest you at least try to understand how conference realignment works instead of saying nonsense.
TheLivingLegend
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I dont give a shit about understanding conference realignment garbage. I could really care less. I have zero interest wasting my time with nonsense such as that.
UL elite baskteball? Meh, they have had what 1 maybe two great seasons.
It is what it is. If UC runs the BigEast yearly they dont get left out, period. Say what you want but the best BigEast baskteball team finds a home somewhere nice. We were'nt/are'nt the best BigEast basketball team thanks to NancyZ.
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Bob Huggins and WV weren't asked to go to the ACC...what makes you think UC would have been if he stayed? Is the ACC big on wanting underachieving tournament teams? 
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bob huggins was on a recruiting path leading to a national championship.
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I think you're missing the boat on this one LL.
I realize alot of people want to believe that Huggins was the end all be all to UC being the greatest team, but the truth is his teams had declined his last few years and mostly due to the recruiting taking a bit of a hit. Cronin deserves alot of the credit for recruiting when he was an assistant here. It's no coincidence that our recruiting suffered and U of L's went up when Cronin made the move. Huggins hadn't gotten any big names to come in his last few years. And most people want to believe that Beasley was a shoo-in to come here as was OJ Mayo and Bill Walker. First off Mayo wouldn't have come here because hopefully we wouldn't have paid him. And if we would've been willing to pay him we'd be in bigger trouble now than we were when Huggins left. I'll agree that Walker likely might have come here, and possibly Beasley as I assume he was recruiting him all along. But one of the main reasons he landed Beasley was he had a year off to recruit him without the legalities of being tied to a university and he hired his high school coach to come with him. Situations would've been different if he had stayed here. And even if both had come here, I'm not so sure how well they do as freshman in the Big East. It's not like K State was a powerhouse with them. Beasley still would've been a one-and-done guy.
One of the reasons we were in as bad a shape as we were in when he left is we lost alot of players the year after he left. He really didn't leave alot of talent behind that class because a number of his recruits his last few years didn't pan out. Roy Bright, Vincent Banks come to mind. What people need to realize is that Huggins ways to success in recruiting were catching up to him. Players couldn't become eligible or would get themselves in trouble. Being in the Big East would've helped because he wouldn't have to reach as far to get players to come here, but the truth still exists that he was no longer landing big time recuits here. Plus we would have lost scholarships had he stayed. And Zimpher isn't the sole reason Huggins got fired. The University wanted him gone because he had become an embarrassment. Zimpher just was the head of that and completely handled the situation wrong.
It's not my goal here to bash Huggins, because I loved him as a coach and enjoyed being a Bearcat student and fan because of his teams. But the truth is it was time for him to go and I have moved on and continue to support the school and the teams we have had since. To think that UC would've been the best team in the Big East or even a perrennial top 4 is a bit of a stretch in my opinion had he stayed. Louisville is considered one of the best teams year in, year out and UConn definitely is having won two national titles in recent years. They are leftovers as are we in this conference realignment. Basketball success doesn't play in too much to who these conferences want. I don't think it hurts, but money is the major factor. And for that matter I don't think other schools look at UC as a bad basketball program, only some UC fans who seem to think the sky has fallen cause Huggins was fired.
I realize alot of people want to believe that Huggins was the end all be all to UC being the greatest team, but the truth is his teams had declined his last few years and mostly due to the recruiting taking a bit of a hit. Cronin deserves alot of the credit for recruiting when he was an assistant here. It's no coincidence that our recruiting suffered and U of L's went up when Cronin made the move. Huggins hadn't gotten any big names to come in his last few years. And most people want to believe that Beasley was a shoo-in to come here as was OJ Mayo and Bill Walker. First off Mayo wouldn't have come here because hopefully we wouldn't have paid him. And if we would've been willing to pay him we'd be in bigger trouble now than we were when Huggins left. I'll agree that Walker likely might have come here, and possibly Beasley as I assume he was recruiting him all along. But one of the main reasons he landed Beasley was he had a year off to recruit him without the legalities of being tied to a university and he hired his high school coach to come with him. Situations would've been different if he had stayed here. And even if both had come here, I'm not so sure how well they do as freshman in the Big East. It's not like K State was a powerhouse with them. Beasley still would've been a one-and-done guy.
One of the reasons we were in as bad a shape as we were in when he left is we lost alot of players the year after he left. He really didn't leave alot of talent behind that class because a number of his recruits his last few years didn't pan out. Roy Bright, Vincent Banks come to mind. What people need to realize is that Huggins ways to success in recruiting were catching up to him. Players couldn't become eligible or would get themselves in trouble. Being in the Big East would've helped because he wouldn't have to reach as far to get players to come here, but the truth still exists that he was no longer landing big time recuits here. Plus we would have lost scholarships had he stayed. And Zimpher isn't the sole reason Huggins got fired. The University wanted him gone because he had become an embarrassment. Zimpher just was the head of that and completely handled the situation wrong.
It's not my goal here to bash Huggins, because I loved him as a coach and enjoyed being a Bearcat student and fan because of his teams. But the truth is it was time for him to go and I have moved on and continue to support the school and the teams we have had since. To think that UC would've been the best team in the Big East or even a perrennial top 4 is a bit of a stretch in my opinion had he stayed. Louisville is considered one of the best teams year in, year out and UConn definitely is having won two national titles in recent years. They are leftovers as are we in this conference realignment. Basketball success doesn't play in too much to who these conferences want. I don't think it hurts, but money is the major factor. And for that matter I don't think other schools look at UC as a bad basketball program, only some UC fans who seem to think the sky has fallen cause Huggins was fired.
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I hate the NAZI but you cannot blame this on her. If anything she improved the academic profile of the university and it actually helps in terms of conference realignment. If we still had Huggy we would be in the same position that we are now, whose to say that the football program would be at the same point its gotten to?
Basketball had nothing to do with UC getting in the Big East, UC got in the Big East because of football. Basketball has nothing to do with Pitt and Syracuse getting into the ACC. Conference realignment is all about football, TV sets, and money. The NCAA takes 90% of the money from the NCAA basketball tourney, the NCAA gets 0% of the BCS Bowl money, the BCS conferences and schools keep 100% of the BCS Bowl money.
The best Big East basketball team has been left out, UConn the National Champion. No one cares about basketball, conference realignment is all about football and the BCS.
Once again TLL shows himself to be clueless.
Bob Huggins was on a path to join Otis the Drunk in the Mayberry jail.
TheLivingLegend
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Everyone loved Otis from Mayberry... Bet you wish you could say the same about yourself ralpy.
The sole reason UC got into the BigEast was Bob Huggins.