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Bcatfollower
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That ref should be disciplined. Answers Davenport back saying Newman got his face raked and there was no foul and the replay shows he was wrong.
I thought it was a wsu player who answered back
Bcatfollower
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Refs so biased they wouldn’t even call a foul on wsu even when they were trying to foul. Lol
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Wichita went up 42-34 early in the 2nd half and from that point on we turned our intensity up to a notch that I've seen at few other times this season.
Great response and very solid win against a team that I believe is much better than their record indicates.
Game balls to DeJulius and Koval. Newman played a huge role as well.
Great response and very solid win against a team that I believe is much better than their record indicates.
Game balls to DeJulius and Koval. Newman played a huge role as well.
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Bcatfollower
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WSU is garbage. 9-7 and 0-4 in the conference. We should have trounced them not barely beat them. Win is a win but i wouldn’t say this is a great win.
Our half court defense was great today. We got in trouble when we turned it over or took bad long threes early in the shot clock, leading to transition opportunities. MAW and DDJ did a great job on Etienne for the most part.
Strong games from the starting guards again. Koval at the 5 opened things up, and we could have taken advantage of the open interior more if we tried. We still operated around perimeter screens instead of driving to an unprotected rim. Our smaller lineups resulted in better rebounding, with quickness outperforming size.
Good win, hopefully will be Q1 at seasons end but is Q2 right now. We badly needed it since our other two borderline Q2 games (Miami & Monmouth) have since dropped to Q3.
Strong games from the starting guards again. Koval at the 5 opened things up, and we could have taken advantage of the open interior more if we tried. We still operated around perimeter screens instead of driving to an unprotected rim. Our smaller lineups resulted in better rebounding, with quickness outperforming size.
Good win, hopefully will be Q1 at seasons end but is Q2 right now. We badly needed it since our other two borderline Q2 games (Miami & Monmouth) have since dropped to Q3.
Still trying to figure out how we pulled that out. Playing Koval on the perimeter sure opened my eyes a bit. Starting to see the light with how that helped open some things up for us outside of him making 3s.
It seemed like we got beat in every category but the score and 3 pt shooting
It seemed like we got beat in every category but the score and 3 pt shooting
We did just enough to score more than a point per possession, which seems to be the recipe for beating Wichita St this year. Great games for Koval and DDJ, and another efficient low usage performance from MAW who had zero fouls or turnovers in 30 minutes while also leading the team in rebounds.
The defense really locked down in the final stretch. We forced them to play hero ball. Etienne was the only WSU player to score from the field in the final 11 minutes.
We did a good job in the areas I thought would be keys to the game, turning it over only 7 times and holding them to just 12 free throws.
The defense really locked down in the final stretch. We forced them to play hero ball. Etienne was the only WSU player to score from the field in the final 11 minutes.
We did a good job in the areas I thought would be keys to the game, turning it over only 7 times and holding them to just 12 free throws.
We did just enough to score more than a point per possession, which seems to be the recipe for beating Wichita St this year. Great games for Koval and DDJ, and another efficient low usage performance from MAW who had zero fouls or turnovers in 30 minutes while also leading the team in rebounds.
The defense really locked down in the final stretch. We forced them to play hero ball. Etienne was the only WSU player to score from the field in the final 11 minutes.
We did a good job in the areas I thought would be keys to the game, turning it over only 7 times and holding them to just 12 free throws.
He is helping just enough on offense and not hurting us at all elsewhere. He and Newman have become pretty efficient while also doing the dirty work on D.
DD has also been impressive on the ball D lately. That kid has to run around the whole game on both sides and doesn't seem to skip a beat. And we all know JD is gonna fight the whole game no matter his limitations. Really starting to like these 4 guys playing with one big
I don’t understand why with 4 players over
6’11 we have problems rebounding the ball.
We really only have one guard/wing that can crash who has good length and athleticism (Newman). JD isn't bad at rebounding but doesn't jump out the gym. DD rebounds fairly well for a guy his size but he's not long or super athletic. MAW is average in both ways.
In years to come if you are crashing the glass with 6'6" wings with great length on top of that with some athleticism...that rebounding should change. We just don't have the horses with only 1 big on the floor.
Can someone with a little more knowledge/insight on game flow and scheme help me with Ody? He's 2nd to Vik in rebounds per 40. Best FT% as a big. Scores per 40 minutes 2nd to Vik. Close 2's % best of the bigs. Far 2's % second best to Vik. He's mobile and doesn't seem to get pushed around easily on block.
Where is he going wrong? Out of place? I mean I know he fouls a lot but only Koval is much better at avoiding those. Only Koval is better at turnovers.
Right now I would like to see a combo of Ody and Koval playing the 5. They are much better right now in the plus minus category than Vik and Ado. I am missing something but not sure what it is.
Where is he going wrong? Out of place? I mean I know he fouls a lot but only Koval is much better at avoiding those. Only Koval is better at turnovers.
Right now I would like to see a combo of Ody and Koval playing the 5. They are much better right now in the plus minus category than Vik and Ado. I am missing something but not sure what it is.
https://evanmiya.com/ has a nice breakdown (go to: team breakdown, players). Essentially Ody is worst of the four bigs in most defensive categories and by a significant margin in some cases.
DBPR: Second worst on team (in front of Saunders).
Box DPR: Worst of the 4 bigs (though only barely worse than Koval).
Adj Team Def EFF: 2nd worst on team (in front of Hensley).
On/OFF Def Splits: Worst on team (tied with Saunders).
He is generally top two of our bigs in offensive advanced stats. But that doesn't mean much when he his defensive advanced stats are so bad.
I've commented before, he is terrible at boxing out and at communication and rotations. He seems to be improving, I actually saw him make a couple of nice box outs against WSU. But he has a long way to go.
DBPR: Second worst on team (in front of Saunders).
Box DPR: Worst of the 4 bigs (though only barely worse than Koval).
Adj Team Def EFF: 2nd worst on team (in front of Hensley).
On/OFF Def Splits: Worst on team (tied with Saunders).
He is generally top two of our bigs in offensive advanced stats. But that doesn't mean much when he his defensive advanced stats are so bad.
I've commented before, he is terrible at boxing out and at communication and rotations. He seems to be improving, I actually saw him make a couple of nice box outs against WSU. But he has a long way to go.
https://evanmiya.com/ has a nice breakdown (go to: team breakdown, players). Essentially Ody is worst of the four bigs in most defensive categories and by a significant margin in some cases.
DBPR: Second worst on team (in front of Saunders).
Box DPR: Worst of the 4 bigs (though only barely worse than Koval).
Adj Team Def EFF: 2nd worst on team (in front of Hensley).
On/OFF Def Splits: Worst on team (tied with Saunders).
He is generally top two of our bigs in offensive advanced stats. But that doesn't mean much when he his defensive advanced stats are so bad.
I've commented before, he is terrible at boxing out and at communication and rotations. He seems to be improving, I actually saw him make a couple of nice box outs against WSU. But he has a long way to go.
Thanks. That is what I was looking for.
We have 3 players 6'11" or taller and generally only one of them is on the floor at a time. Koval isn't a great rebounder. The main problem though is the rest of the team. Our starting lineup is small 1-4, and none of them are good rebounders.I don’t understand why with 4 players over
6’11 we have problems rebounding the ball.
I posted this when we were still building our roster:
C (avg 9): Ado 13.5, Lakhin 13.0, Koval 6.5
PF (avg 8): Davenport 8.2, Ody 13.8, Hensley 5.9
SF (avg 6): Newman 5.4, Madsen 0
SG (avg 3): MAW 1.6, McGinnis 0
PG (avg 2): DeJulius 0.9, Saunders 0.6
Ado, Lakhin, and Ody are the only good rebounders on the team for their position. Davenport and Newman are about average, everyone else is bad.
Here are the current numbers:Offensive rebounding rate is what I look at to gauge rebounding ability. Defensive rebounding has more to do with scheme. A defensive rebound is much more likely to be uncontested. DDJ and Mason both had DReb rates of 16.7, but OReb rates around 1. Rap led the team in DReb rate, but had an OReb rate below 3.
The average team OReb rate is 28. Splitting that up into positions works out to something like: C-9, PF-8, SF-6, SG-3, PG-2.
Here's our roster:
C (avg 9): Koval 5.6
PF (avg 8): Davenport 4.8, Hensley 2.5
SF (avg 6): Newman 4.0
SG (avg 3): MAW 1.6, Madsen 1.1
PG (avg 2): DeJulius 1.0, Saunders 1.3
Departures include Eason 12.6, Diarra 10.9, Vogt 8.6, and Keith 6.1. So yes, we have a huge rebounding hole to fill. Everyone on our roster is a below average rebounder.
C (avg 9): Ado 13.5, Lakhin 13.0, Koval 6.5
PF (avg 8): Davenport 8.2, Ody 13.8, Hensley 5.9
SF (avg 6): Newman 5.4, Madsen 0
SG (avg 3): MAW 1.6, McGinnis 0
PG (avg 2): DeJulius 0.9, Saunders 0.6
Ado, Lakhin, and Ody are the only good rebounders on the team for their position. Davenport and Newman are about average, everyone else is bad.
I planned to do a post on this when we were 20 games in and the numbers started to mean something. Miya's stats can fill in the gaps between what individual stats show. There still aren't enough possessions to draw definitive conclusions, but it's still interesting.https://evanmiya.com/ has a nice breakdown (go to: team breakdown, players).
The thing that stands out most to me is that Koval is our best offensive player per BPR. It think that's mostly because we play a 5 out offense with him on the floor, which makes up for our lack of half court schemes.
Although Ody's individual number isn't great, our best overall lineup (by far) is our starting 5 but swapping Ody for Ado. That tells me Ody struggles when he plays alongside other bench players, but really thrives with experienced guards who can compensate for his mistakes and leverage his strengths.
Our best defensive lineup is Saunders/DDJ/Madsen/Ody/Lakhin. None of those guys are disciplined defenders like Newman and MAW, but they are all extremely active and take risks. It's the chaos lineup.
The best offensive lineup is Saunders/DDJ/Newman/Ody/Lakhin. It's interesting that simply swapping Madsen for Newman changes the lineup from best defense to best offense. This lineup is four players who can get in the lane plus our best interior finisher.
Cin City
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Can’t pass, too selfish. He was a baby last year over playing time. Can’t teach character.
This is so far from right. The kid is high character. I hope you’re in high school because if you’re an adult you should be embarrassed by your asinine claim.