Would NIT be progress to YOU

[Thegreatone]

I would say yes. Not making the NIT last year and making it this year would be another step in the right direction.

I am not asking if it would be enough progress for you but would you define making the NIT this year as a another step to getting the UC program back?

 

[adrock]

Yes, but still disappointing considering the good start to this year. If someone had told me at the end of last season that we would be in the NIT this year, I'd be cool with that. Give it some time, people. Cooler heads will prevail.

 

[swg]

In some ways, it is progress. It's always nice to have post-season play.

However, was making the NIT a pre-season goal for Vaughn, Cronin, the team? How about the fans? I think we expected more this year.
If OSU has two losing years, and the third year goes 6-6 and gets invited to the Humanitarian Bowl.......are they honestly going to play in that game? Don't bet on it.
While it may be progress to some, it largely depends on how that is measured, and by who.

That said, I will say that UC is a lot more fun to watch this year than the past one. So yes, progress has been made.

 

[Thegreatone]

WVU and Ohio State have won the NIT 2 of the past 3 years and now they are Top 10 teams.

I am not saying that we are going to do that but the NIT helps coaches and players. It teaches them how to prepare for games and win in March. Something we need.

 

[bearcat jeff]

It is a consolation prize. This team had NCAA talent and allowed poor execution at critical times steal that from them. No it is not progress when you fall short of your ability. Another end of season collapse is all it is. It'll be nice to watch them for a few more games though.

 

[BearcatAlum1]

It is a consolation prize. This team had NCAA talent and allowed poor execution at critical times steal that from them. No it is not progress when you fall short of your ability. Another end of season collapse is all it is. It'll be nice to watch them for a few more games though.

Once again, I agree on all accounts.

This team "could have" made the NCAA Tournament with some clutch execution and free throws.

We're close, but not there yet. Mick gets one more year, as I've stated since his hiring.

Thanks for coming to BearcatTalk. I can pretty much quote your posts and sign my name.

 

[adrock]

Are you guys the same person? I'm watching your IP address.

 

[TheShoeFits]

I consider it as progress. It's simple. No post season 08-09 < NIT 09-10.

It may not feel like progress because the win/loss columns don't match last years and some will feel the team underachieved.

You can't go by the numbers this year because in my opinion, the Big East as a whole has progressed.

 

[ready2go]

Are you guys the same person? I'm watching your IP address.

Better get Jack Baur on this one!

But yea from opinions already stated. The potential was there based on the start of the season. If during Maui someone said this team is NIT Bound, I would have been pissed.

 

[DontMissHim]

Of course it would. It might not be what we were hoping for, but its progress none the less. There are usually some solid teams in the NCAA (Some of which probably belong in the NCAA)- winning the NIT would be pretty nice IMO

 

[lumberjack]

I would say yes. Not making the NIT last year and making it this year would be another step in the right direction.

I am not asking if it would be enough progress for you but would you define making the NIT this year as a another step to getting the UC program back?

Hell no! losing all of your games at the end of the year is a disturbing trend. Micks teams get worse as the season goes on. You have the stats. Playing bad or good teams in the Big East late has not mattered. Just the facts!

 

[Kingsley Court]

I'm not so sure how anyone could argue that it wasn't progress? It's pretty simple IMO, a team doesn't make NIT one year, the next year they do= progress.

Of course no one starts out the season saying "we want the NIT" but just because that wasn't their goal doesn't mean progress hasn't been made from the previous year.

 

[TheShoeFits]

I'm not so sure how anyone could argue that it wasn't progress? It's pretty simple IMO, a team doesn't make NIT one year, the next year they do= progress.

Of course no one starts out the season saying "we want the NIT" but just because that wasn't their goal doesn't mean progress hasn't been made from the previous year.

Well said.

 

[DontMissHim]

I'm not so sure how anyone could argue that it wasn't progress? It's pretty simple IMO, a team doesn't make NIT one year, the next year they do= progress.

Of course no one starts out the season saying "we want the NIT" but just because that wasn't their goal doesn't mean progress hasn't been made from the previous year.

Exactly

 

[bearcat jeff]

Well said.

How do you call it progress when a team, in all likelihood, ends up with a worse record? Again, collapses at the end of the season to miss the NCAA and has no offensive flow with one game left in the regular season? I hope they get an invite, which at this point is no sure thing, but this team took a step backward this season. It had the talent to make the NCAA and it failed to do so. Ask the team if it was progress. If they'd be honest, from the HC down, they will tell you no. Success isn't always measured in a reward, or consolation prize in this case. It's measured on one question. Did you live up to your potential. To some teams that is the NIT. To this one it wasn't.

 

[Kingsley Court]

Your arguing that they haven't lived up to their potential, thus not being successful. I'm not sure how that is the same as improving from the previous year.

Lets say a team gets to the sweet 16 one year, brings everyone back and has the potential to get to the final four, but only gets to the elite 8. How is that not progress from the previous year?

 

[bearcat jeff]

I consider it as progress. It's simple. No post season 08-09 < NIT 09-10.

It may not feel like progress because the win/loss columns don't match last years and some will feel the team underachieved.

You can't go by the numbers this year because in my opinion, the Big East as a whole has progressed.

What!? The numbers is what it is all based on. If it wasn't based on the numbers you'd probably see 10-11 teams from the BEast make the NCAA and alot of mid-major conference winners wouldn't. The numbers is all that matter. We all support this program, except maybe some on bcn, but we can be honest about it. It failed miserably this season in opportunity after opportunity to achieve their goal. St. Johns, Seton Hall, Marquette, S. Florida, they didn't even show up at Notre Dame. They played without passion for portions of every game. Let's not excuse it with "Well the league is better". They weren't good enough when it mattered. They weren't good enough all season long. That's what the numbers say and the NCAA Committee will agree.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Your arguing that they haven't lived up to their potential, thus not being successful. I'm not sure how that is the same as improving from the previous year.

Lets say a team gets to the sweet 16 one year, brings everyone back and has the potential to get to the final four, but only gets to the elite 8. How is that not progress from the previous year?

Show me where they improved. Your argument doesn't hold water because the NCAA IS the goal. It is accepted once there anything can happen. We are talking about the work over a whole season. Not a one and done situation. Point to an area of improvement.

 

[Thegreatone]

What!? The numbers is what it is all based on. If it wasn't based on the numbers you'd probably see 10-11 teams from the BEast make the NCAA and alot of mid-major conference winners wouldn't. The numbers is all that matter. We all support this program, except maybe some on bcn, but we can be honest about it. It failed miserably this season in opportunity after opportunity to achieve their goal. St. Johns, Seton Hall, Marquette, S. Florida, they didn't even show up at Notre Dame. They played without passion for portions of every game. Let's not excuse it with "Well the league is better". They weren't good enough when it mattered. They weren't good enough all season long. That's what the numbers say and the NCAA Committee will agree.

You have to look at it from basketball point of view. We are better. We are in almost every sinlge game.

Losing to Nova, WVU, Gonzaga, XU, Marquette so close may be loses regardless of the scores but if you watched those games you can see that we were much better than last year. Just couldnt finish.

 

[bearcat jeff]

You have to look at it from basketball point of view. We are better. We are in almost every sinlge game.

Losing to Nova, WVU, Gonzaga, XU, Marquette so close may be loses regardless of the scores but if you watched those games you can see that we were much better than last year. Just couldnt finish.

That's the only way I look at it. We lost to Nova, Gonzaga, XU, Marquette, St. John's, Seton Hall, and on and on. It doesn't matter that you are in them. It matters that you win them. Miss your budget at work for 4 straight years and tell your boss, "well we got closer this year." As Mick said last night all close has done is make the players want to jump off a cliff. College basketball and sports in general my friends is a result oriented business. Close don't put butts in seats. It doesn't bring in revenue for the university. We were close 8 games ago. After another season ending slide we are no longer close.