Minnesota drafted Hummel, the Spurs drafted Marcus Denmon from Missouri. 6 foot 3 guard that hit big shots his whole career (but was non existant in the NCAA game vs Cincinnati).
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Minnesota drafted Hummel, the Spurs drafted Marcus Denmon from Missouri. 6 foot 3 guard that hit big shots his whole career (but was non existant in the NCAA game vs Cincinnati).
D'oh.
Well, I guess the t-wolves don't expect to be good any time soon.
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If you didn't see a lack of effort then you didn't look hard enough. He was definitely improved last year but there were still plenty of lack of effort moments. There is a reason players like Acey from Baylor get drafted and players like Gates don't.
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exactly. Gates should be and could have been better than what he was with more effort. Gates skill set was so much better than Acy's it just came down to it that Acy always gave it his all every game and was a good leader for his team.
That's not a valid comparison. Acey is the more modern 3/4 tweener. He weighs way less and is an entirely different type of player. He's more likely to be drafted, regardless of Yancy's performance. Also, Acey didn't make every major media outlet, by punching Kenny Frease in the face.
Acey weighs 230 lbs and is 3 inches shorter.
He can't do Yancy's job. That's a stupid comparison man.
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Not at all, Acy got drafted because of how hard he works. He busts his arse up and down the court non-stop. He had virtually no offensive game besides dunking and doesn't have the size that Gates has. As for him being a 3/4, he has zero perimeter skills. He isn't anything close to a 3. He is an undersized 4. If Gates had his work ethic, Gates would have gone in the first round.
He has a short-mid range J, I know most highlights are of him dunking but he can shoot. It's fortunate, because there's no way in hell he's a 4 at the next level. He's neither athletic or big enough to be an NBA 4.
Either way, he didn't defend on the low block like Yancy, he wasn't left with a 2 guard as the second leading rebounder on the team like Yancy and he's not going to be able to guard the bigs at the next level like Yancy.
You talk about effort, when did Fortson lack effort? He was the same height.
You know what his problem was? He had no jump shot. Very few guys in the league, stay in the league just as people that can tear the rim down.
Hicks was all effort, he was playing in Poland last I checked.
And nobody, I mean nobody, would take Yancy in the first. Especially after the incident this year. You'd be a terrible businessman to do so.
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he definitely can't shoot...and you are making my point for the other comments. Yancy was better, taller, more skilled, better defender, possibly a better rebounder, had a better shot. Yet Acy gets drafted, Gates does not. Sure the punch effected him as did the multiple suspensions, but the NBA is very forgiving. I can give you evidence for such, but I doubt you need it. That isn't what the NBA was worried about.
The comparison is irrelevant. Yancy would have been drafted had he worked harder in college. I don't know what his work ethic was in training but during games he was unimpressive. No one can argue that his effort didn't improve through the years but his effort was very inconsistent and mediocre. That hurt him in the draft; no doubt about it.
Xavier coach Chris Mack
"He's a cage rattler. We knew that. He's just ... I want to see his birth certificate. He's that kid, when you're coaching AAU and you look over, and he just looks so much bigger and stronger than everybody. We knew about him a couple of years ago. He was terrific in Orlando when we lost to Baylor. More of the same today. I can take some of the offensive rebound put-backs, but when he starts facing up and hitting jump shots, it's not what the doctor ordered. It's not fair."
He also did shooting drills with portland and held his own.
Possibly a better rebounder? He had more rebounds, more offensive rebounds, he ate alive bigger more talented front courts and he had no help to do it with. In contrast, Baylor was much fuller in terms of front court depth. Not possibly, was.
New day and age. That punch was everywhere. Few fights in basketball like it.
If effort mattered, Kwame Brown, Corey Maggette and company wouldn't have been drafted.
Likewise, Justin Jackson and Cheikh Mbodj would be first round locks. Talent matters and so does build type. It's silly to argue otherwise.
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As Bill Koch's article points out this morning Yancy's problem is not skill it's consistent commitment.
While he was at UC, he was listed at anywhere from 260 to 265 pounds, but Dees said Gates never weighed less than 270. The Spurs wanted him at between 245 and 250.
“He would go back to his dorm at night and eat pizza,” Dees said. “You can’t do that.”
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/...-undrafted?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|p
There is a dedication level it takes to be elite. Yancy struggled with fitness his entire UC career.
While he was at UC, he was listed at anywhere from 260 to 265 pounds, but Dees said Gates never weighed less than 270. The Spurs wanted him at between 245 and 250.
“He would go back to his dorm at night and eat pizza,” Dees said. “You can’t do that.”
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/...-undrafted?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|p
There is a dedication level it takes to be elite. Yancy struggled with fitness his entire UC career.
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Xavier coach Chris Mack
"He's a cage rattler. We knew that. He's just ... I want to see his birth certificate. He's that kid, when you're coaching AAU and you look over, and he just looks so much bigger and stronger than everybody. We knew about him a couple of years ago. He was terrific in Orlando when we lost to Baylor. More of the same today. I can take some of the offensive rebound put-backs, but when he starts facing up and hitting jump shots, it's not what the doctor ordered. It's not fair."
He also did shooting drills with portland and held his own.
Possibly a better rebounder? He had more rebounds, more offensive rebounds, he ate alive bigger more talented front courts and he had no help to do it with. In contrast, Baylor was much fuller in terms of front court depth. Not possibly, was.
New day and age. That punch was everywhere. Few fights in basketball like it.
If effort mattered, Kwame Brown, Corey Maggette and company wouldn't have been drafted.
Likewise, Justin Jackson and Cheikh Mbodj would be first round locks. Talent matters and so does build type. It's silly to argue otherwise.
Alright, whatever man, you're the only one that believe his effort wasn't an issue. I don't want to waste any more of my time arguing with you.
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Not only is his effort an issue, it may be the downfall of his career.
I don't dispute his lack of commitment to fitness, I just don't think you can parlay that into the his commitment to his game. JMO though.
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I am starting to think his issue may be a serious lack of foot speed which looks like a like of effort.
His offensive moves are extremely slow.
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HUH?!?! Someone has a lack of commitment to his fitness, but that doesn't mean he has a lack of commitment to his overall game? Either you are a troll, or you are one dumb basketball fan.
I appreciate the infantile condescension and ad hominem attacks, I really do.
However, he displayed post moves this past year he didn't have the season before, his rebounding jumped and you don't average 3 and a half offensive boards a game while lacking effort, not to mention, he basically had no help inside.
Conditioning is important obviously, but basketball players aren't just well conditioned. They also have skills they have to learn and go through, I saw him play more back to the basket this year, than in years prior.
I'm sorry, but if it's a lack of effort, that's a funny way to show it.
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I don't think it was necessarily a lack of effort, I think it was lack of a motor and softness. Yancy was soft, plain and simple, he didn't like to attack the rim, he didn't like contact, he would rather fade away. That might have been what made him such a great defender, he didn't want to make contact with a player, so he kept his hands up on defense. He also wasn't a high motor guy, just cause you don't have a high motor doesn't mean you're not giving 100%. Maybe its semantics on what we consider effort to be, but I never thought Yancy lacked effort. He just didn't have the hunger to own the game. And yes that lack of hunger is what cost him. You put Hicks or Kenyon's hunger with his body and he would have been a lottery pick. If he'd have left as a freshman he might have had a better chance of being drafted because some team might have thought they could mold him into an angry player. The NBA knows that when a guy goes through four years of college coaching the end result is what you will have, that player isn't going to change. The NBA isn't about coaching guys up into better players. With that said, the Pistons could be the best place for Yancy to learn the NBA system because they play about the toughest brand of basketball there is. If there's any chance he gets tough it would be with them.