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mdchick said:
I have absolutely no clue where all of this negativity is coming from, you don't look at recruiting to tell you how well your team is doing you look at the success your program has had. we have made it to the tournament 5 years in a row, last year was a CLEAR DOWN YEAR FOR OUR TEAM, and quite frankly all this recruiting nonsense is just pure bull shit. Sean Kilpatrick, dion Dixon, Troy caupain, Gary Clark all of those guys were not highly rated recruits and they are all clearly some of the best players nationally in there class. Why would you want another jermaine Lawrence? I don't understand he was a total bust than transferred to a way less caliber program and got very little playing time.

I have no clue why people are complaining about this class we have three really good recruits coming in. We DO NOT NEED A CENTER THIS YEAR. After this year we will get at worse a 6 seed in the tourney a big man recruit will see that and come here, I'm really not worried about it at all. So many of you on here seem like you want our program to be like St. John's and land big name recruits and then do nothing with them.
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And to add to this we have two coaches that want to be here. Could not stand the merry go round of coaching (football). Just remember when Cronin is 49 he will have more wins then any D1 coach under 50.
 
mdchick said:
I have absolutely no clue where all of this negativity is coming from, you don't look at recruiting to tell you how well your team is doing you look at the success your program has had. we have made it to the tournament 5 years in a row, last year was a CLEAR DOWN YEAR FOR OUR TEAM, and quite frankly all this recruiting nonsense is just pure bull shit. Sean Kilpatrick, dion Dixon, Troy caupain, Gary Clark all of those guys were not highly rated recruits and they are all clearly some of the best players nationally in there class. Why would you want another jermaine Lawrence? I don't understand he was a total bust than transferred to a way less caliber program and got very little playing time.

I have no clue why people are complaining about this class we have three really good recruits coming in. We DO NOT NEED A CENTER THIS YEAR. After this year we will get at worse a 6 seed in the tourney a big man recruit will see that and come here, I'm really not worried about it at all. So many of you on here seem like you want our program to be like St. John's and land big name recruits and then do nothing with them.
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I completely agree that you don't base stuff on recruiting. All that matters is on-court performance (and to me at least, being decent citizens off the court). That said, the 5 tournaments in a row is nice, but that's about all it is. It doesn't really do much for a program. Losing the first weekends hurts just as much. It didn't do any favors for Huggins when he went 15 straight years. Obviously we aren't in the same ball park as UK, but you think they really care that they missed the NCAA the year before they won it all? Don't think recruits and fans are saying "Yea, the national title was nice, but you only made the tournament one year in a row".

That said, I think people have high expectations for this program. I do. Perhaps you are completely satisfied with just making the tournament and being no threat whatsoever to making a deep run. Recruiting has to pick up in order to do that.

Do we NEED a center this year? No, because Ellis and Deberry are good. But they NEED a center for next year and they have no one at this point. You think Mick is going to automatically get a instant impact center for next year? He did well with the JUCOs last year but that method is rolling the dice. I'd prefer to recruit some high schoolers (decent ones at least) and develop them.

Had Lawrence not had the injuries I think he would have been really good player here. Better than Gaines, Strickland, Moore, etc.
 
I am tired of the excuse of claiming that if we make a deep run recruiting will improve! What deep run has Cal made recently? Why were they able to land two big time recruits? What run has LSU made lately? Why can they land the #1 or #2 recruiting classes? Why are we competiting with schools like Texas Tech, South Carolina, Tulane, FIU, UAB and Penn State for our 2015 signees? What does that say about UC...we can make 5 straight at-large bids and still have to compete with mediocre programs (and lose out to a few) for recruits? Mick simply isn't getting it done as a recruiter. If the talent level does not increase we will not make it past the Sweet 16 anytime soon.
 
#BearcatNation said:
This happens every time we miss out on a recruit.
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Yeah it does. But then 30+ times per year, we have to deal with the ramifications of not landing said recruits...When we watch 40-minute massive struggle, after 40-minute massive struggle, and want to pull our hair out. These things are all connected. The attitude that recruiting takes care of itself just keeps us in our safe little comfort zone. Where we can be a "nice" team. Never a terrible team, but never a great team. Someone mentioned something about, would we rather be St. John's? Well, didn't they get the same seed as us this year? And didn't they fire their coach for underachieving? The Pastner example too, his seat couldn't get any hotter going into this year. So those are 2 examples of doing less with more, but they are also examples of schools with high standards, who aren't afraid to seek a change to get to the top. There are also countless examples of teams doing well with good recruits. So those 2 examples are on the wrong end of the ratio when measuring the return of success in conference play/NCAA tournament in relation to the talent being brought in. We aren't going to be awesome next year JUST BC we bring the same team back. It has to be the same team AND we need at least 4 players to have LEGITIMATE breakout seasons. Let's not so quickly forget, we only scored 54 vs UConn, had 48 with under a minute left vs Purdue, and had 43 with a minute or 2 left vs Kentucky. More of the same won't get us there. If it was so easy to find a shooter of Rowsey's caliber, then how come we're always begging this staff to find someone who can put the ball in the basket like him?
 
TheLongHaul said:
I completely agree that you don't base stuff on recruiting. All that matters is on-court performance (and to me at least, being decent citizens off the court). That said, the 5 tournaments in a row is nice, but that's about all it is. It doesn't really do much for a program. Losing the first weekends hurts just as much. It didn't do any favors for Huggins when he went 15 straight years. Obviously we aren't in the same ball park as UK, but you think they really care that they missed the NCAA the year before they won it all? Don't think recruits and fans are saying "Yea, the national title was nice, but you only made the tournament one year in a row".

That said, I think people have high expectations for this program. I do. Perhaps you are completely satisfied with just making the tournament and being no threat whatsoever to making a deep run. Recruiting has to pick up in order to do that.

Do we NEED a center this year? No, because Ellis and Deberry are good. But they NEED a center for next year and they have no one at this point. You think Mick is going to automatically get a instant impact center for next year? He did well with the JUCOs last year but that method is rolling the dice. I'd prefer to recruit some high schoolers (decent ones at least) and develop them.

Had Lawrence not had the injuries I think he would have been really good player here. Better than Gaines, Strickland, Moore, etc.
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If you would have told me in 2006 that come are 2015 season we would have made the ncaa tournament 5 years in a row I would have called you a fool, to see how far are program has come since Huggins left it in shambles is unbelievable we could have very easily have been a Rutgers, south Florida, seton hall caliber team, if you make it to the tournament anything can happen that's why it is such a big deal they made it to 5 in a row.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Yeah it does. But then 30+ times per year, we have to deal with the ramifications of not landing said recruits...When we watch 40-minute massive struggle, after 40-minute massive struggle, and want to pull our hair out. These things are all connected. The attitude that recruiting takes care of itself just keeps us in our safe little comfort zone. Where we can be a "nice" team. Never a terrible team, but never a great team. Someone mentioned something about, would we rather be St. John's? Well, didn't they get the same seed as us this year? And didn't they fire their coach for underachieving? The Pastner example too, his seat couldn't get any hotter going into this year. So those are 2 examples of doing less with more, but they are also examples of schools with high standards, who aren't afraid to seek a change to get to the top. There are also countless examples of teams doing well with good recruits. So those 2 examples are on the wrong end of the ratio when measuring the return of success in conference play/NCAA tournament in relation to the talent being brought in. We aren't going to be awesome next year JUST BC we bring the same team back. It has to be the same team AND we need at least 4 players to have LEGITIMATE breakout seasons. Let's not so quickly forget, we only scored 54 vs UConn, had 48 with under a minute left vs Purdue, and had 43 with a minute or 2 left vs Kentucky. More of the same won't get us there. If it was so easy to find a shooter of Rowsey's caliber, then how come we're always begging this staff to find someone who can put the ball in the basket like him?
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St. johns made it to the tournament this year and 2011 and loss in the first round both years. we have made it to the sweet 16 and round of 32 2 other times. They "supposedly recruited better than us but somehow finished worse than us every one of those years"

secondly its laughable to here people talk about how many points we can score. Who cares how many points we score as long as its more than the other team. we make teams play into our style of play and we are very good at playing in a slow paced hard nosed game. I find it more exciting playing like that, than a bunch of guys hitting open shots. why should our team be criticized for putting a hand up in everybody's face. Bearcat basketball is played like that physical, enthusiastic, and most importantly hard. If you want to root for a team that gets big time recruits all the time Kentucky is right down the road.
 
mdchick said:
St. johns made it to the tournament this year and 2011 and loss in the first round both years. we have made it to the sweet 16 and round of 32 2 other times. They "supposedly recruited better than us but somehow finished worse than us every one of those years"

secondly its laughable to here people talk about how many points we can score. Who cares how many points we score as long as its more than the other team. we make teams play into our style of play and we are very good at playing in a slow paced hard nosed game. I find it more exciting playing like that, than a bunch of guys hitting open shots. why should our team be criticized for putting a hand up in everybody's face. Bearcat basketball is played like that physical, enthusiastic, and most importantly hard. If you want to root for a team that gets big time recruits all the time Kentucky is right down the road.
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^^^^^^^ Couldn't agree more. Winning is all that matters.I understand wanting banners, we all do. But to say recruiting has been a bust is inaccurate. It may not be splashy but it has by no means been a bust.
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
I am tired of the excuse of claiming that if we make a deep run recruiting will improve! What deep run has Cal made recently? Why were they able to land two big time recruits? What run has LSU made lately? Why can they land the #1 or #2 recruiting classes? Why are we competiting with schools like Texas Tech, South Carolina, Tulane, FIU, UAB and Penn State for our 2015 signees? What does that say about UC...we can make 5 straight at-large bids and still have to compete with mediocre programs (and lose out to a few) for recruits? Mick simply isn't getting it done as a recruiter. If the talent level does not increase we will not make it past the Sweet 16 anytime soon.
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mdchick said:
St. johns made it to the tournament this year and 2011 and loss in the first round both years. we have made it to the sweet 16 and round of 32 2 other times. They "supposedly recruited better than us but somehow finished worse than us every one of those years"

secondly its laughable to here people talk about how many points we can score. Who cares how many points we score as long as its more than the other team. we make teams play into our style of play and we are very good at playing in a slow paced hard nosed game. I find it more exciting playing like that, than a bunch of guys hitting open shots. why should our team be criticized for putting a hand up in everybody's face. Bearcat basketball is played like that physical, enthusiastic, and most importantly hard. If you want to root for a team that gets big time recruits all the time Kentucky is right down the road.
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Recruits care about how many points you score. That's who. I'm not asking for 80, I'm asking for not 62. The idea that 62 ppg IS CINCINNATI BASKETBALL is total bs. Even Mick's teams a few years ago were at 68-70...and that was in the old Big East. So don't feed me the idea that we PREFER to score 60. We are like 65-2 the last 5 years when we score 70+. And we're undefeated with Mick when getting 40 deflections. Everything about our success, and the direction of college basketball/recruiting, points to uptempo, man-to-man, and player's coaches winning out. The fact that we don't see it that way could be why we have 6 open scholarships, and no high level players ready to fill them. Despite the tournament run we're on. Be real, if we could've scored over 62 ppg this year, we would have. But the staff didn't have a roster of players prepared to make that happen. 60 ppg isn't going to force it's way in as "the new normal" for me when it comes to Bearcat basketball. It has NEVER been that way before.
 
bearcat jeff said:
^^^^^^^ Couldn't agree more. Winning is all that matters.I understand wanting banners, we all do. But to say recruiting has been a bust is inaccurate. It may not be splashy but it has by no means been a bust.
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This 2015 class is good. But it doesn't have a single player ranked in the Top 100 on any service, does it? These guys could all be nice pieces, but this class should be on the low end of what we bring in each year, not the high end.
 
mdchick said:
If you would have told me in 2006 that come are 2015 season we would have made the ncaa tournament 5 years in a row I would have called you a fool, to see how far are program has come since Huggins left it in shambles is unbelievable we could have very easily have been a Rutgers, south Florida, seton hall caliber team, if you make it to the tournament anything can happen that's why it is such a big deal they made it to 5 in a row.
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Huggins didn't leave it in shambles. AK was there to keep everything flowing. Mick didn't want players already on team wanted ENTIRE new roster. Mick was hottest young coach in America at the time. I believe he thought recruiting was going be easy being in big east. Most of his best recruits as assistant was from east coast. he hasn't lived up to hype about being top recruiter.
 
bearcat jeff said:
^^^^^^^ Couldn't agree more. Winning is all that matters.I understand wanting banners, we all do. But to say recruiting has been a bust is inaccurate. It may not be splashy but it has by no means been a bust.
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Mick is one of the best preparing his team to play if he had better recruits the man would tell you out his own mouth he could national title.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Recruits care about how many points you score. That's who. I'm not asking for 80, I'm asking for not 62. The idea that 62 ppg IS CINCINNATI BASKETBALL is total bs. Even Mick's teams a few years ago were at 68-70...and that was in the old Big East. So don't feed me the idea that we PREFER to score 60. We are like 65-2 the last 5 years when we score 70+. And we're undefeated with Mick when getting 40 deflections. Everything about our success, and the direction of college basketball/recruiting, points to uptempo, man-to-man, and player's coaches winning out. The fact that we don't see it that way could be why we have 6 open scholarships, and no high level players ready to fill them. Despite the tournament run we're on. Be real, if we could've scored over 62 ppg this year, we would have. But the staff didn't have a roster of players prepared to make that happen. 60 ppg isn't going to force it's way in as "the new normal" for me when it comes to Bearcat basketball. It has NEVER been that way before.
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So why do you have no faith that we can't get back to that? You keep saying "Mick is just a low-scoring coach"...what makes you think he can't get back to that? We began to push the tempo towards the end of the year, so I still believe we can average 70 this year.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
This 2015 class is good. But it doesn't have a single player ranked in the Top 100 on any service, does it? These guys could all be nice pieces, but this class should be on the low end of what we bring in each year, not the high end.
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Evans is 99 and Jenifer is 119 on Rivals. Both are 4-star recruits on ESPN. Not a splash, but it's a very nice class.
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
I am tired of the excuse of claiming that if we make a deep run recruiting will improve! What deep run has Cal made recently? Why were they able to land two big time recruits? What run has LSU made lately? Why can they land the #1 or #2 recruiting classes? Why are we competiting with schools like Texas Tech, South Carolina, Tulane, FIU, UAB and Penn State for our 2015 signees? What does that say about UC...we can make 5 straight at-large bids and still have to compete with mediocre programs (and lose out to a few) for recruits? Mick simply isn't getting it done as a recruiter. If the talent level does not increase we will not make it past the Sweet 16 anytime soon.
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UC hasn't made it past the Sweet 16 in a LONG time (20 years) . In fact, they've only made it TO the Sweet 16 twice in last 19 years---1 time (2001) in Huggs' last 9 years, 0 in Kennedy's 1 year and once (2013) in Cronin's 1st 9 years, so it's a benchmark that is rarely obtained recently for this program. Why didn't Huggs make it beyond the S16 more in his last 9 years if he had superior recruits?
 
#BearcatNation said:
So why do you have no faith that we can't get back to that? You keep saying "Mick is just a low-scoring coach"...what makes you think he can't get back to that? We began to push the tempo towards the end of the year, so I still believe we can average 70 this year.
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I hope we can get back to that. Ideally, we'd be at 72ish I'd say? I just don't like that I don't feel like we are committed to getting up there. I think our ppg will automatically go up some just by being ready from day 1 this upcoming year. I think we scored like 52 vs St. Francis and 54 vs Eastern Illinois or something last year. I am confident that we won't see that anymore, at least against that competition early in the year. So that should give us a few by itself. We did have more of the uptempo feel towards the end of the year too, I agree. I just hope we adopt it as a full-time philosophy, rather than a go-to gimmick when things get so bogged down.
 
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