'15 UNCA Transfer G Andrew Rowsey

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jacobkdoyle said:
This past year with KJ over Cobb. The year before with Guyn over Caupain. There is also a very real chance that we could we see it again this year with Shaq/KJ over Evans at the starting 3/backup 2.
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Yes but you have to look at it both ways. KJ and Guyn are clearly better defenders than the other two. That is why they started at the time before the newer kids.

I don't have a problem with Mick using defense as the motivational carrot for younger guys or offense minded guys to winning a starting job.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Yeah. Over Strickland, Morman, Guyn, JD3, Gaines, Nyarsuk, KJ, DeBerry, Moore, Sanders, etc
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Clearly not skipping over all the great 3/4 star guys we've had or anything.

I certainly do not prefer to have 3-star players over 5-star. But if that's your main concern, go tell me how successful Pastner's classes have made him at Memphis.
 
waterhead said:
Yes but you have to look at it both ways. KJ and Guyn are clearly better defenders than the other two. That is why they started at the time before the newer kids.

I don't have a problem with Mick using defense as the motivational carrot for younger guys or offense minded guys to winning a starting job.
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I get having to earn your spot...but we are forcing the better players to "earn" it, over guys like KJ and Guyn, who have never actually "earned" it themselves. Didn't Guyn go like half his JR year without a single steal? I remember reading about that, and it came as a total shock to our coaching staff. So I dunno how much I'm buying the defense thing.
 
#BearcatNation said:
Clearly not skipping over all the great 3/4 star guys we've had or anything.

I certainly do not prefer to have 3-star players over 5-star. But if that's your main concern, go tell me how successful Pastner's classes have made him at Memphis.
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Yeah, Memphis is a good example of doing less with more. But we paint the more with less picture here, and dismiss the fact that our coach is what? One of the Top 20 highest paid? And we are a Top 20 program all-time? We rarely see Top 20 results anymore. Whether it be in recruiting classes, preseason rankings, in-seaaon rankings, conference titles, tournament seeding, postseason rankings, or NBA talent. The more with less narrative is just self-imposed to an extent imo when you look at how the program is run. And somehow it is a go-to excuse for why we aren't producing better basketball players. Jmo.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
I get having to earn your spot...but we are forcing the better players to "earn" it, over guys like KJ and Guyn, who have never actually "earned" it themselves. Didn't Guyn go like half his JR year without a single steal? I remember reading about that, and it came as a total shock to our coaching staff. So I dunno how much I'm buying the defense thing.
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I remember using the steals issue to debate why Troy should start...lol! However, I am pretty sure on the ball D had a lot to do with it. Troy has better instincts and Guyn was more athletic. Either way, Cronin isn't going to keep a guy on the bench that he thinks gives us the best chance to win. Sometimes that requires re-evaluating the player's performance during the season.

Each player has to be ready for the spot they are thrust into as well. Starting point guard for high level D1 BB for a 17 year old kid is something to be careful with...but he got pretty good minutes his freshman year don't you think?

As for Cobb...I think that was totally defense related (starting off) but in the end we found out the whole game flowed a little better when he was in there.
 
Patrick Bateman said:
Or Rowsey saw or was told, hey look, you will be replacing Cobb and if not playing PG you will be playing behind guys that play defense and average 5 ppg as seen last season, do you want to be another Morman? Others have stated he is very one dimensional
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Name one defensive stopper on team
 
JasonS said:
I find it funny that Rowsey is now the second coming. Look, he is a nice player and would have been a nice addition. He is NOT the missing piece to a deep tourney run. I'm not losing any sleep over this. He picked Marquette. Good luck to him. I'm moving on.

On a side note, Evans was recruited to play SG. Next year he may see some time at the 3 just because of our roster makeup. Someone said it earlier that guards fall off trees. It is so true. I'm not all that concerned about missing out on this one player.
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We must be planting wrong routes. We haven't had a shooting guard fall out tree in over 10yrs.
 
JasonS said:
Except when you have Freshmen that deserve to start (Clark, Vaughn, Stephenson). When is the last time that the best player at a certain position didn't start? Honestly think about that for a minute.
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Lawrence over Rubles?
 
cincrulz11 said:
Exactly, a couple months ago Jenifer was our missing piece and he's going to take over for PG as a freshman cause he's so good, now Jenifer wouldn't even play because Rowsey is so great.



It's rather hilarious reading all this junk. I guess some dudes just have to create drama at all times to keep themselves entertained.
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Rowsey has played and performed exceptionally well before. I'm pretty sure him and jenifer has battled it out plenty times before.
 
#BearcatNation said:
Clearly not skipping over all the great 3/4 star guys we've had or anything.

I certainly do not prefer to have 3-star players over 5-star. But if that's your main concern, go tell me how successful Pastner's classes have made him at Memphis.
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It's not the talent it's environment and coaching.
 
JasonS said:
Quit trolling. I never mentioned Lawrence.
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Only trolls use that word. Nobody said u mentioned him. I'm saying and said during season Lawrence should've started over Rubles. U said when has best player at position hasn't started.
 
Bearcatboy said:
They say that's how it is but clearly history states that's not how it is upperclassman start.
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I think for the most part our veterans HAVE been the most deserving players except for maybe a few instances. That being said I was always the type of guy that said it doesn't matter who starts as long as they get starter minutes. After this year (with Cobb) I am starting to rethink that. He was getting the same minutes as KJ (for most of the year) but he wasn't on the floor with Caupain and the other starters as much as KJ and I think the game flow was better when we saw Cobb starting at the end of the year.

Even if defense was the reason KJ was starting (and I think it was) because coach had mentioned how TC and KJ were an extension of each other on D knowing where each other were going to be etc. In the end Cobb was less turn over prone and a better scorer. That probably ended up proving to be a better combination than what KJ offered on D.

it's not always that easy to calculate...and the "eye test" doesn't always tell the whole story. DeBerry passed the "eye test" all year on offense but his plus minus numbers were the worst on the team. He looked awesome in tourney though!!
 
I have absolutely no clue where all of this negativity is coming from, you don't look at recruiting to tell you how well your team is doing you look at the success your program has had. we have made it to the tournament 5 years in a row, last year was a CLEAR DOWN YEAR FOR OUR TEAM, and quite frankly all this recruiting nonsense is just pure bull shit. Sean Kilpatrick, dion Dixon, Troy caupain, Gary Clark all of those guys were not highly rated recruits and they are all clearly some of the best players nationally in there class. Why would you want another jermaine Lawrence? I don't understand he was a total bust than transferred to a way less caliber program and got very little playing time.

I have no clue why people are complaining about this class we have three really good recruits coming in. We DO NOT NEED A CENTER THIS YEAR. After this year we will get at worse a 6 seed in the tourney a big man recruit will see that and come here, I'm really not worried about it at all. So many of you on here seem like you want our program to be like St. John's and land big name recruits and then do nothing with them.
 
waterhead said:
I think for the most part our veterans HAVE been the most deserving players except for maybe a few instances. That being said I was always the type of guy that said it doesn't matter who starts as long as they get starter minutes. After this year (with Cobb) I am starting to rethink that. He was getting the same minutes as KJ (for most of the year) but he wasn't on the floor with Caupain and the other starters as much as KJ and I think the game flow was better when we saw Cobb starting at the end of the year.

Even if defense was the reason KJ was starting (and I think it was) because coach had mentioned how TC and KJ were an extension of each other on D knowing where each other were going to be etc. In the end Cobb was less turn over prone and a better scorer. That probably ended up proving to be a better combination than what KJ offered on D.

it's not always that easy to calculate...and the "eye test" doesn't always tell the whole story. DeBerry passed the "eye test" all year on offense but his plus minus numbers were the worst on the team. He looked awesome in tourney though!!
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I've always said your best players start it get them in the game flow faster and there excited to play.
 
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