'17 NY SG Keith Williams (Commit)

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david aka the TYZ said:
I don't dislike the class. I get the grumblings on wanting a "bigger name" but at the end of the day there's plenty of great players that aren't recruited highly. Basketball, especially the college game, is as much a chess match (meaning mental and gameplanning) as it is pure athleticism. The reason small schools can be successful is because they can build rosters of competent players that complement each other and play smarter than their opponents that might seek the highlight reel plays rather than play fundamental basketball. With all that said, we're not a small school. Great coaches can still get the more talented players to come in and play fundamental, smart basketball. Coach K is obviously the start and end of the best at that to me. So moving forward if Cronin is the answer we need more success on the court, championships in the conference and sweet sixteens and at least occasionally better in March. That turns those three and occasional four star players into four and occasional five star players. I really like everything I hear about Keith Williams. I think he is the type of player that will play well regardless of rank or where he goes to school. Like had he ended up at Valparaiso or somewhere, we'd hear his name in March eventually. So great get on Mick's part. We have another scholly and I'd love to see a successful year this year allow us to snag a big name in the spring. And there is a realistic thought that Clark and/or Evans could blow up and leave early after this year. Not saying it will or won't happen or they should if given the opportunity but you never know. As far as Broome goes, I'm not as hyped as maybe I should be. I just still don't know if we'll ever see Mick unleash the offense. A player like Broome is like Jenifer, Shaq, Gelawn, Davis, Wilks, JJ, Kelvin Gaines, etc. Recruited for an uptempo, run madly all over the court style and yet can't be successful here under Mick's half court gameplan. I get why he has backed off it each and every year and part of me agrees, but at some some point the style you recruit for and the style you play has to match. Just saying. You can argue Broome's numbers he put up already and I will point to what Gelawn did his senior year last year at another school. Certain players can play well elsewhere but might not fit here. I hope I'm completly wrong and it is just speculation on my part, but that's my honest opinion on Broome right now. I'm just afraid he might be handcuffed here. And with that said I have no problem with whatever style we play, you just have to recruit for that style exclusively and own it.
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dave I see your thought. Time will tell on Broome. Everything I have heard is he is a good player. Also heard JJ has made a jump in his game. Should be a fun season.
 
westsidecat said:
Oh please, the same people that are hyping this "Great" recruiting class were saying the same thing about these guys.

It's what this board does. Mick lands someone and he becomes the new "diamond in the rough" guy. Mick has such a "great eye for talent" and so on and so on.

Read the Broome thread.
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Do you have a reading comprehension problem? My post compares Evans, Clark, Cumberland, and Washington to those players. Not the ones in the current 2017 class. Move along.
 
JackBauer151 said:
Recruiting has been pretty damn good recently by the way. Clark, Evans, Cumberland, and Washington are all big time D1 players. Much better than JD3, Chek, Jermaine Sanders, Shaq Thomas, Deshaun Morman, Jamaree Strickland, and Gelwan Guyn.
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JackBauer151 said:
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? My post compares Evans, Clark, Cumberland, and Washington to those players. Not the ones in the current 2017 class. Move along.
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Why make that comparison though? At best it's useless, at worst it's horribly misleading. You're comparing the best players on current/recent teams to the worst players ("busts") on previous teams. Of course if you do that it's going to look like recruiting is improving. I can play that game too in the opposite direction...

"O man, Cronin sucks at recruiting now. Remember when we got guys like Gates, Vaughn, Lance, Parker, Cash, JJ, SK,...?? Now we only get Quadri, Shaq, Nyarsuk, Morman, Jenifer (time will tell), ..."

If you want to see whether Mick has improved in recruiting over his tenure, a fair comparison would be to compare the contributors now to the contributors then, or the non-contributors now to the non-contributors then. Don't mix the two. That leaves your agenda swinging in the wind. If you do a fair comparison, I think the quality is comparable between now and ~8 years ago. I'm not a the-sky-is-falling-fire-Mick fan, and I think he has brought in a number of high quality guys in recent years. But I think given where he is, with what he has, with how much time he's had, there should be more stars next to the names of UC commits.

P.S. I think Williams looks like a good player.
 
prancer said:
Why make that comparison though? At best it's useless, at worst it's horribly misleading. You're comparing the best players on current/recent teams to the worst players ("busts") on previous teams. Of course if you do that it's going to look like recruiting is improving. I can play that game too in the opposite direction...

"O man, Cronin sucks at recruiting now. Remember when we got guys like Gates, Vaughn, Lance, Parker, Cash, JJ, SK,...?? Now we only get Quadri, Shaq, Nyarsuk, Morman, Jenifer (time will tell), ..."

If you want to see whether Mick has improved in recruiting over his tenure, a fair comparison would be to compare the contributors now to the contributors then, or the non-contributors now to the non-contributors then. Don't mix the two. That leaves your agenda swinging in the wind. If you do a fair comparison, I think the quality is comparable between now and ~8 years ago. I'm not a the-sky-is-falling-fire-Mick fan, and I think he has brought in a number of high quality guys in recent years. But I think given where he is, with what he has, with how much time he's had, there should be more stars next to the names of UC commits.

P.S. I think Williams looks like a good player.
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My comment was not a "Pro Cronin" message. It was just pointing out a FACT. The recruiting has been better over the last couple classes than the previous ones. NOT ALL OF THEM. The 2011 and 2012 classes were absolute busts (Even though I loved Titus). They kept the program in neutral. Which is Cronin's fault by the way. Shaq and Jermaine were great kids but even as seniors were role players at best. The last three classes have had SIGNATURE signings in each of them. Gary, then Jacob, then JC and Kyle. Recruiting has gotten better as of late. It's just a fact and that was the point I was making.
 
Looks to have a fairly fluid motion and fairly quick release. I like what I see there.
 
His left elbow when he shoots looks very odd and makes his shot look off. That is something that I would have to think is easy to change. At the same time, as long as the ball goes in and your release is good, how you look when shooting shouldn't matter. I mean look at Shawn Marion, his shot just hurts to look at, but seems to have done pretty well for himself. Not trying to compare him to Shawn by any means whatsoever, just shows that you don't have to have the prettiest shot to succeed.
 
Bearcats Sports said:
His left elbow when he shoots looks very odd and makes his shot look off. That is something that I would have to think is easy to change. At the same time, as long as the ball goes in and your release is good, how you look when shooting shouldn't matter. I mean look at Shawn Marion, his shot just hurts to look at, but seems to have done pretty well for himself. Not trying to compare him to Shawn by any means whatsoever, just shows that you don't have to have the prettiest shot to succeed.
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I mean this is true but having an ugly shot is still a fair reason to be concerned. Sure, there are outliers like Shawn Marion, but generally good shooters have good shots and bad shooters have bad shots.

With that being said, his shot doesn't look nearly as bad in this video.
 
jds513 said:
I mean this is true but having an ugly shot is still a fair reason to be concerned. Sure, there are outliers like Shawn Marion, but generally good shooters have good shots and bad shooters have bad shots.

With that being said, his shot doesn't look nearly as bad in this video.
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You know who he reminds me of with that shot? Dion Dixon, hopefully he doesn't struggle to shoot it as much as Dion did in his early years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mv4NanVMCk

Also, can we all agree how awesome those throwback jerseys were that year? Man, I wish that we would bring those back again.
 
Huge difference between an "ugly" shot and having your left elbow slightly out of ideal position. He doesn't have that picture perfect form, but very few do. He still gets the ball in a good pocket, has a nice release and good arc/rotation on the ball. A lot of the key elements are there, just needs continued work...
 
Chad Brendel said:
Huge difference between an "ugly" shot and having your left elbow slightly out of ideal position. He doesn't have that picture perfect form, but very few do. He still gets the ball in a good pocket, has a nice release and good arc/rotation on the ball. A lot of the key elements are there, just needs continued work...
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I wasn't speaking to Keith Williams' shot necessarily. I'm just saying that for the most part the best shooters have good looking shots. Bad shooters have bad shots. Williams' shot is somewhat odd, but like I said, it doesn't look as bad as I thought. Cumberland's shot on the other hand, well yeah that's ugly.
 
#BearcatNation said:
Recently bumped up to a 4-star on ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/224954/keith-williams
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Really like this signing by Mick and staff. Really gives us a lot of depth on the wings. Moore, Williams, Cumberland and Evans. We have Shooters, Slashers, Athletes and role players. If Next years class can bring us a PG and another Big to pair with Brooks we could be set for a very nice run. as it stands in the short term we are still in very nice shape with Two more years of Clark, Broome, Evans and Washington.
 

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