'17 TX G Darius McNeill

[jacobkdoyle]

That doesn't make sense to me. When Mick is brought up in every single thread, you're bound to veer off-topic. It's what starts the dominoes. Are we all just supposed to ignore those comments? I try my best to, but that will not always happen.

Now in an attempt to get this back on topic....

I'd love to land McNeill for his versatility. I think we could really use a combo guard. As of right now, Broome and JJ are all that can play the point 2017 and beyond. We will need another, but I don't want someone that's so limited to only being a point guard. He would give us so many lineup combinations.

I agree with you on McNeill. I'd love to have him.

 

[#BearcatNation]

As for McNeil it will be a tough sell. We have JJ and Broome at PG and Moore, Evans and Cumberland at the 2 and 3. If another school has immediate playing time to offer it will be tough for him to come here.

JJ hasn't done anything to deserve a ton of minutes at this point, and Broome hasn't played a single minute here yet. Point guard is still very wide open.

Shooting guard is, too. Sure, we're expecting a lot out of Cumberland, but he also has yet to play. Who's behind him? Nobody, really.

Evans and T. Moore are more small forwards than shooting guards, IMO.

Playing time should not be an issue for anyone we're looking at. We have plenty of room for a couple more guys.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I'll bet you both a beer he opts for a school were he walks into immediate playing time. Any takers???

 

[#BearcatNation]

I'll bet you both a beer he opts for a school were he walks into immediate playing time. Any takers???

If he does, then I bet that school hasn't made the NCAA tournament in 20 years.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I'll bet you both a beer he opts for a school were he walks into immediate playing time. Any takers???

That could be UC if he's good. You're the one always telling me guys have to earn it, and now you're giving all the minutes away to guys who haven't earned it here. Evans is literally the only guy at the 1, 2, or 3 that has earned anything on the 2017 roster.

 

[waterhead]

That could be UC if he's good. You're the one always telling me guys have to earn it, and now you're giving all the minutes away to guys who haven't earned it here. Evans is literally the only guy at the 1, 2, or 3 that has earned anything on the 2017 roster.

We should have no problem getting guys on the floor who are good enough. If the player wants a guaranteed 30 minutes...probably not happening. Also, if the player has confidence that he is better than our current players...I don't see why they would opt for a lesser program.

A good recruiter should be able to convince a confident player that he will get minutes if he deserves them.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

If he does, then I bet that school hasn't made the NCAA tournament in 20 years.

how do you figure. you think good teams don't have playing time to offer to 4 and 5 star kids?

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

That could be UC if he's good. You're the one always telling me guys have to earn it, and now you're giving all the minutes away to guys who haven't earned it here. Evans is literally the only guy at the 1, 2, or 3 that has earned anything on the 2017 roster.

and I still think kids should earn their minutes. Jake let me ask you something. When a college coach is talking to a kid about coming to his school how do you see the conversation going? We have good tradition, we are a great academic school, you fit in nicely with the kids, our style fits your game, we have players in the league. But most of all you can see the court early and often. Especially if your a 4 or 5 star kid. Most kids and their handlers want to know about playing time. Some even want guaranteed minutes. Kids are aware of the number of freshman that leave after a year to go to the NBA. It is there dream. Available minutes and the opportunity to get them is weighed above all else for the most part.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

We should have no problem getting guys on the floor who are good enough. If the player wants a guaranteed 30 minutes...probably not happening. Also, if the player has confidence that he is better than our current players...I don't see why they would opt for a lesser program.

A good recruiter should be able to convince a confident player that he will get minutes if he deserves them.

its not always lesser programs.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

And guys I'm not saying this to cast stones at our Coach because lots of it isn't his doing but we do not carry the same clout we did 10 years ago. Or if your as old as me and L-T 55 years ago.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

and I still think kids should earn their minutes. Jake let me ask you something. When a college coach is talking to a kid about coming to his school how do you see the conversation going? We have good tradition, we are a great academic school, you fit in nicely with the kids, our style fits your game, we have players in the league. But most of all you can see the court early and often. Especially if your a 4 or 5 star kid. Most kids and their handlers want to know about playing time. Some even want guaranteed minutes. Kids are aware of the number of freshman that leave after a year to go to the NBA. It is there dream. Available minutes and the opportunity to get them is weighed above all else for the most part.

McNeill would have every opportunity to be part of the rotation right away. Not sure what other kind of opportunity he could realistically expect if he wants to play for a good program.

 

[waterhead]

and I still think kids should earn their minutes. Jake let me ask you something. When a college coach is talking to a kid about coming to his school how do you see the conversation going? We have good tradition, we are a great academic school, you fit in nicely with the kids, our style fits your game, we have players in the league. But most of all you can see the court early and often. Especially if your a 4 or 5 star kid. Most kids and their handlers want to know about playing time. Some even want guaranteed minutes. Kids are aware of the number of freshman that leave after a year to go to the NBA. It is there dream. Available minutes and the opportunity to get them is weighed above all else for the most part.

Reputable coaches aren't going to guarantee playing time to a HS kid because there is not telling how they will adapt to D1.

So at the end of the bold area I would add this "we believe you have the skill set to contribute right away...and if you work hard and prove that to us in practice and games we will get you significant minutes for sure"

 

[#BearcatNation]

how do you figure. you think good teams don't have playing time to offer to 4 and 5 star kids?

They do. Just like we do. If he plays well, he will see the floor. There's nobody blocking him.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Guys if you think handlers aren't having playing time conversation behind the scenes your fooling yourselves. The other thing is what is your definition of a good program? What matters most To the kids. I really would like to hear from people, what do you think matters to these kids. What makes us a good program? What level do you realistically see UC at? As a example take a school like Purdue. Graet school, good tradition not great, nice facilities, P5 conference, nice schedule. What separates us and them? If you were a kid why or wouldn't you chose UC over Purdue?

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Reputable coaches aren't going to guarantee playing time to a HS kid because there is not telling how they will adapt to D1.

So at the end of the bold area I would add this "we believe you have the skill set to contribute right away...and if you work hard and prove that to us in practice and games we will get you significant minutes for sure"

Waterhead coaches give assurances all the time. At Ky. You think a 5 star PG is going there if the 5 star he is to replace isn't going to leave before he gets there. You think 5 stars are sitting the bench for a year in a system where many of them are 1st round picks and instant millionaires. You think his handlers don't know who else KY is recruiting for that spot? You think KY is going to waste a ride on two 5 star recruits that are PG's if they have other needs.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

All I'm saying guys is playing time is HUGE and the less competition he has to get it is a very big inducement. It is probably the biggest concern almost recruits. How fast can I get on the floor. Not as a reserve but a starter. Now the kids we get are players of the 4 year variety. Nice players but they need time to develope. They are likely here 4 years.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

All I'm saying guys is playing time is HUGE and the less competition he has to get it is a very big inducement. It is probably the biggest concern almost recruits. How fast can I get on the floor. Not as a reserve but a starter. Now the kids we get are players of the 4 year variety. Nice players but they need time to develope. They are likely here 4 years.

If McNeill was offered by UK or Duke and he was behind a 5* you think he would turn it down? PT is big but exposure is bigger. Being on TV and talked about is just as or more important. Some/most kids would rather be second string for a Duke or UK rather than starting for LSU/Purdue ie. Bledsoe

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

If McNeill was offered by UK or Duke and he was behind a 5* you think he would turn it down? PT is big but exposure is bigger. Being on TV and talked about is just as or more important. Some/most kids would rather be second string for a Duke or UK rather than starting for LSU/Purdue ie. Bledsoe

Good point Patrick but if I am coming to UC as a 4 star recruit I'm not sitting behind someone.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Waite you make it seem so hopeless.

We can't get 4/5* players bc they go to blue bloods.

But we can't get 3* either bc they'll go to lesser schools for minutes.

I've commented before on how I don't like how seniors automatically play even if they aren't good. But you've tried to point out that FR have played under Cronin before.

But then when McNeill has an opportunity to play right away, you act like it's not possible bc of other guys in line ahead of him.

But those guys haven't earned the minutes, which you also say matters.

So which is it? How about, we have nothing set in stone at the 1 or 2, so if McNeill is a real player, he'll have a great chance to get on the floor right away?

If that's not possible bc a guy like Jenifer has "paid his dues" regardless of his on court contributions, then Coach Cronin needs to re-evaluste how he's running things. Bc the picture you paint suggests that the only players Cincinnati can get are off the radar low end 3* kids who don't mind riding the bench for a while bc they'll be guaranteed minutes down the road just by being on the team. That's not good enough.

And on a side note...how in the world did we sign Cumberland? He is a consensus 4* player who is most likely coming off the bench behind one of the least valuable UC regulars of the last 20 years. Starting from day 1 didn't seem to be the deciding factor for him.

Bottom line is this: McNeill will get a shot here. Not a guarantee, but a real shot. And if that's not possible bc promises are made to guys who haven't done it yet, then we have some major problems.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Waite you make it seem so hopeless.

We can't get 4/5* players bc they go to blue bloods.

But we can't get 3* either bc they'll go to lesser schools for minutes.

I've commented before on how I don't like how seniors automatically play even if they aren't good. But you've tried to point out that FR have played under Cronin before.

But then when McNeill has an opportunity to play right away, you act like it's not possible bc of other guys in line ahead of him.

But those guys haven't earned the minutes, which you also say matters.

So which is it? How about, we have nothing set in stone at the 1 or 2, so if McNeill is a real player, he'll have a great chance to get on the floor right away?

If that's not possible bc a guy like Jenifer has "paid his dues" regardless of his on court contributions, then Coach Cronin needs to re-evaluste how he's running things. Bc the picture you paint suggests that the only players Cincinnati can get are off the radar low end 3* kids who don't mind riding the bench for a while bc they'll be guaranteed minutes down the road just by being on the team. That's not good enough.

And on a side note...how in the world did we sign Cumberland? He is a consensus 4* player who is most likely coming off the bench behind one of the least valuable UC regulars of the last 20 years. Starting from day 1 didn't seem to be the deciding factor for him.

Bottom line is this: McNeill will get a shot here. Not a guarantee, but a real shot. And if that's not possible bc promises are made to guys who haven't done it yet, then we have some major problems.

Not hopeless Jake difficult.

Also making commits earn playing time is not unreasonable. My issue with you is you want to annoit him the starter before he steps foot on campus.

I've asked you this before but I have to do it again. Do you supervise anyone?

McNeil is certainly considering us but due to the realities of being a school that has many four year players and few one and doners earning or waiting for a opening is a detriment.

We don't have trouble getting 3 stars why would you think that. According to many including you we have a whole team of them.

As far as Cumberland you answered your own question. He is playing behind a 4 year player who my many accounts has under performed and is the only other 3 on the roster. He has a good chance to start eventually this season or he will back up both positions and get good minutes regardless.

Is it really that hard for you to see that minutes are huge in recruiting players. High level talent want to go where they can see the floor early and often.

Jake if you don't think being able to offer players a opportunity for immediate playing time is a huge inducement to acquiring talent I really can't help you. I'm not saying it's impossible but it certainly is not easy. Players look for a fit that offers them the opportunity to play early and often. It's not the only factor but it is a very big carrot.