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Your point is wrong (as usual). Never would have played and would have wasted a year. Instead is now a first team all american who has raised his draft status. It worked to perfection for both SK and the UC program. Im trying to not pick on you but you continue to spout absolute nonsense on multiple threads.

It's really impossible to say how it worked. Nobody will ever really know, whether it's with SK or any player that redshirts. SK obviously had an incredible career, but we just don't know if he would have had a worse career had he not redshirted. And who knows if UC would have been better in prior years had SK had that first year to develop. Impossible to say.
 
It's really impossible to say how it worked. Nobody will ever really know, whether it's with SK or any player that redshirts. SK obviously had an incredible career, but we just don't know if he would have had a worse career had he not redshirted. And who knows if UC would have been better in prior years had SK had that first year to develop. Impossible to say.

Im not interested in what could have happened. Im interested in what did. It worked to perfection. Also Mick told him he wasnt going to play. How are you going to develop from the bench. Not that hard to surmise which situation would have been better for SK and UC. It's why the decision was what it was.
 
Im not interested in what could have happened. Im interested in what did. It worked to perfection. Also Mick told him he wasnt going to play. How are you going to develop from the bench. Not that hard to surmise which situation would have been better for SK and UC.

How are you going to develop from the bench? Are you telling me that there is no development going on when you redshirt? If you aren't interested in what could have happened than you might as well ignore the argument. I don't see how you can say it worked to perfection. Maybe if SK had that first year to get some experience the team could have beaten OSU in the tournament. Maybe SK would have been better against Creighton and made a deeper run last year. No way to tell. Either way, SK had a great career but no telling what would have happened if he played that first year, good or bad.
 
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I don't get this. I keep reading it on this board so I finally have to say something. What is this based on? Lawrence wasn't doing anything prior to the injury, and didn't do anything post injury. Obviously having a month off hurts for anybody, but how exactly was Lawrence starting to gain confidence? What are you basing that on?

This is based on what Cronin has said and his performance in the 1st half of the Memphis game. I was at the basketball banquet and this was also reiterated by the player I sat with. The player also said that Lawrence was getting better in practice and was gaining confidence in games until the injury. He was not able to participate in any basketball activities for the month he was hurt and this really affected his development. Playing his natural position also next year should make a big difference. This said player mentioned that UC will be visibly bigger due to the newcomers next year, and that Coreante DeBerry practiced with the team recently and should be a force inside next year. He also said that Morman is athletic and fearless, and was dunking on everyone in practice at the end of the year.
 
How are you going to develop from the bench? Are you telling me that there is no development going on when you redshirt? If you aren't interested in what could have happened than you might as well ignore the argument. I don't see how you can say it worked to perfection. Maybe if SK had that first year to get some experience the team could have beaten OSU in the tournament. Maybe SK would have been better against Creighton and made a deeper run last year. No way to tell. Either way, SK had a great career but no telling what would have happened if he played that first year, good or bad.

That's the point he wouldnt have played. So why even play the what if game? Same with Morman even before he hurt his foot. There is a lot of developing going on when you redshirt but not in game. There is a major difference in refining your game and developing it at full speed. We can say what if about anything. Im interested in talking about what the actual circumstances are, what decision are made, and what the outcome of those decisions have been. In every case under cronin it is my opinion the redshirt has always been the smart choice. He even blew a few of them. Jaquon Parker and Darnell Wilks come to mind. We havent up to this point recruited many upper echelon kids. We recruit four year guys that we develop. When a kid isnt going to play giving him another year in invaluable to his development and future. Sk is the perfect example of that.
 
How are you going to develop from the bench? Are you telling me that there is no development going on when you redshirt? If you aren't interested in what could have happened than you might as well ignore the argument. I don't see how you can say it worked to perfection. Maybe if SK had that first year to get some experience the team could have beaten OSU in the tournament. Maybe SK would have been better against Creighton and made a deeper run last year. No way to tell. Either way, SK had a great career but no telling what would have happened if he played that first year, good or bad.

SK was a first team AP AA this year, and would not have been if he had not redshirted. That is inarguable. He has a better chance at the NBA now than he did last year. That is also inarguable. So it did work out perfectly for him. It worked out perfectly for UC as they can tell recruits that they can also achieve what SK did if the stay with the process. It is a great selling point for the coaching staff.
 
How are you going to develop from the bench? Are you telling me that there is no development going on when you redshirt? If you aren't interested in what could have happened than you might as well ignore the argument. I don't see how you can say it worked to perfection. Maybe if SK had that first year to get some experience the team could have beaten OSU in the tournament. Maybe SK would have been better against Creighton and made a deeper run last year. No way to tell. Either way, SK had a great career but no telling what would have happened if he played that first year, good or bad.

Sure....there is no way to tell....I feel like you just love arguing absolutely senseless topics.

Kilpatrick wasn't going to get many minutes his first year playing behind returning players and one of the top freshman in the country. He got an opportunity to practice and get stronger not to mention correct his jump shot (which was way too low) and improve his ball handling (though it needed work his whole career). There are certainly players you could argue that didn't benefit from redshirting (like Kelvin Gaines) but Kilpatrick is the wrong player to bring up. I am sure if JaQuan Parker had redshirted his sophomore year and was a senior this season, he would have improved even more as well. Just absolutely pointless argument....
 
This is based on what Cronin has said and his performance in the 1st half of the Memphis game. I was at the basketball banquet and this was also reiterated by the player I sat with. The player also said that Lawrence was getting better in practice and was gaining confidence in games until the injury. He was not able to participate in any basketball activities for the month he was hurt and this really affected his development. Playing his natural position also next year should make a big difference. This said player mentioned that UC will be visibly bigger due to the newcomers next year, and that Coreante DeBerry practiced with the team recently and should be a force inside next year. He also said that Morman is athletic and fearless, and was dunking on everyone in practice at the end of the year.

Some people need to think for themselves everyone once in a while. So Mick said it? Mick says a lot of things, most with which you need to take with a grain of salt. Like I said, obviously having a month off hurts, but Lawrence wasn't doing anything special prior to his injury, yet I've read numerous times on here that he was starting to break out. Please.
 
Some people need to think for themselves everyone once in a while. So Mick said it? Mick says a lot of things, most with which you need to take with a grain of salt. Like I said, obviously having a month off hurts, but Lawrence wasn't doing anything special prior to his injury, yet I've read numerous times on here that he was starting to break out. Please.

I wouldn't say that he was starting to break out, but I would say he was starting to look more comfortable. Then when he came back he just couldn't find any rhythm at all.
 
SK was a first team AP AA this year, and would not have been if he had not redshirted. That is inarguable. He has a better chance at the NBA now than he did last year. That is also inarguable. So it did work out perfectly for him. It worked out perfectly for UC as they can tell recruits that they can also achieve what SK did if the stay with the process. It is a great selling point for the coaching staff.

BS. It is arguable. It's also arguable whether UC would have done better overall had he not red shirted. I love SK, hell, I was the one sticking up for him when people on here kept attacking him earlier in the season saying he never stepped up in big games. But as much as I love him, an AA season isn't perfection in my mind. A better run in the tournament and more team success is what I care about, not individual honors. Would UC have went further if he hadn't redshirted? Maybe, maybe not, but I definitely think it's arguable.

Sure....there is no way to tell....I feel like you just love arguing absolutely senseless topics.

Kilpatrick wasn't going to get many minutes his first year playing behind returning players and one of the top freshman in the country. He got an opportunity to practice and get stronger not to mention correct his jump shot (which was way too low) and improve his ball handling (though it needed work his whole career). There are certainly players you could argue that didn't benefit from redshirting (like Kelvin Gaines) but Kilpatrick is the wrong player to bring up. I am sure if JaQuan Parker had redshirted his sophomore year and was a senior this season, he would have improved even more as well. Just absolutely pointless argument....

Pot meet kettle.

But thanks for making my point, i.e., there is no way to tell. I never argued that SK didn't get better. Pretty much everyone gets better with an additional year. That isn't the question, nor did I bring up SK. The teams may have done better with a more seasoned SK though. I put team accomplishments over individual accomplishments. I do like how you are arguing in a pointless argument though.
 
@EvanDaniels: Marial Shayok just received a release from his Letter of Intent at Marquette.

apparently they are still in the mix. Indiana just offered and Rutgers and virginia are still in the mix

Anthony Allen will visit Memphis this weekend.

Oregon Forward Ben Carter will transfer to UNLV. Thinking Obekpa ends up at oregon
 
That's the point he wouldnt have played. So why even play the what if game? Same with Morman even before he hurt his foot. There is a lot of developing going on when you redshirt but not in game. There is a major difference in refining your game and developing it at full speed. We can say what if about anything. Im interested in talking about what the actual circumstances are, what decision are made, and what the outcome of those decisions have been. In every case under cronin it is my opinion the redshirt has always been the smart choice. He even blew a few of them. Jaquon Parker and Darnell Wilks come to mind. We havent up to this point recruited many upper echelon kids. We recruit four year guys that we develop. When a kid isnt going to play giving him another year in invaluable to his development and future. Sk is the perfect example of that.
Sk would've played over Davis and Dixon. Remember before he git here Mick said he could score ten points easily. We would've gone further in tournament with Lance team and also would been getting better recruits 3yrs ago.
 
Sk would've played over Davis and Dixon. Remember before he git here Mick said he could score ten points easily. We would've gone further in tournament with Lance team and also would been getting better recruits 3yrs ago.
how many points did SK avg freshman yr?
 
Sk would've played over Davis and Dixon. Remember before he git here Mick said he could score ten points easily. We would've gone further in tournament with Lance team and also would been getting better recruits 3yrs ago.

He wouldnt have played over Vaughn or Lance. Was a freshmen that was AT BEST 3rd on the depth chart behind a top 5 scorer in program history and a top 10 recruit that was going to be one and done. There was no latter to be climbed and no minutes to be had at the only position he could play. Couldnt handle the ball to play point and wasnt big enough to play the three. Also his outside shot was suspect until he got to college. This is a dumb argument.
 
how many points did SK avg freshman yr?

SK didn't win a tournament game has an upperclassman. So how can you figure he would have turned an NIT team into a legit NCAA tournament contender in 2009-2010? You act like you should just add his 10 ppg to the team average and we're just that much better...thats not how it works.
 
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