2015-2016 Season

[L-T]

Yea i mean, he had 6 assists against Xavier and just 2 TO's.. sure his shots didnn't fall like they normally do for him but he always had to take some bad ones because X zone D was stingy

He's has the worst 3-pt percentage on the team. He's 2-17 in the last 2 games, and 28% for the season. Why is he even taking 17 3s in two games. A point guard is supposed to have other skills, and the ability to make the players around him better. When your shot isn't falling, do something else. If you can't do anything else, then you shouldn't be running the show.

I agree with Jacob. He's a good player and definitely should be a starter, but he's out of place as a PG. I guess we'll find out what Jenifer can do in 2017 or 2018 down at US Bank Arena.

 

[HoosierCat]

I think at some point Mick is going to have to have Jenifer and Caupain playing together more with Troy at the 2.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I think at some point Mick is going to have to have Jenifer and Caupain playing together more with Troy at the 2.

I agree. And that's all a lot of us are trying to say. People get very defensive about Caupain.

 

[TheLongHaul]

When he walks the ball up, we score under 60. If you want, I can go back and name about 15-20 games where that's the case. No one else has a chance to get anything going bc he has the ball in his hands 5x more than anyone else on the team. He refuses to attack the basket even though he is 6'4" 215 lbs. He's not a playmaker. I think he should play the 1 some, but not for 36 minutes. I think all other minutes should be at the 2. He should start. He should play. He is a good player. He is not a high level D1 PG imo. Also, look at the stats I posted a couple pages back. Troy is Top 5 on the team in AST/TO and FG attempts. That's it. His PER is 7th.

This idea of putting Troy off the ball makes no sense to me. You just said that he never attacks the basket. So we want our 2 guard to be someone who never attacks the basket and is just an average 3 point shooter? How will that make things better?

 

[cincrulz11]

Cash rarely walked it up. We scored more points and had contributions from more players.

We played with the same exact incredibly slow pace. The difference in those teams (2011 and 2012) is they didn't turn the ball over. The 2012 team had the 15th best turnover rate in the country (but couldn't shoot at all). We only averaged 64 possessions a game those years.


We have better shooters now but we give away too many possessions. People didn't like Gates when he was here, but he was a huge reason those teams were so successful.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

This idea of putting Troy off the ball makes no sense to me. You just said that he never attacks the basket. So we want our 2 guard to be someone who never attacks the basket and is just an average 3 point shooter? How will that make things better?

Well for one, he can feed the post better than Shaq, Cobb, or KJ. And it isn't like anyone else we have on the wing attacks the basket either...however, it is tough to do that with 2 post players and a set defense on every possession. I'll concede that. I'd just like to spell him with someone who can break people down off the dribble up top and add a different wrinkle. That wrinkle can't be out there hunting shots though...

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

This idea of putting Troy off the ball makes no sense to me. You just said that he never attacks the basket. So we want our 2 guard to be someone who never attacks the basket and is just an average 3 point shooter? How will that make things better?

If Johnson and Cobb are not going to give you anything, I don't have a problem playing the two together. Jenifer will actually push the ball and try to create something in secondary break situations.

 

[Bulldog01]

I mean he's done everything this year you said he needed to do. Got the assists up, go the assist to turnover rate up. His offensive efficiency rating is much higher.


But then you still blame him for walking the ball up, which is what you did all of last year and I'm sure it will continue until he graduates.


But you are missing out on the career of a pretty good player, and that is sad.

Take off your glasses and leave your computer. Go outside and FINALLY play real basketball.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Take off your glasses and leave your computer. Go outside and FINALLY play real basketball.

You still getting run in on the courts Bulldog?

 

[Bulldog01]

This idea of putting Troy off the ball makes no sense to me. You just said that he never attacks the basket. So we want our 2 guard to be someone who never attacks the basket and is just an average 3 point shooter? How will that make things better?

Better option on wing than kj

 

[Bulldog01]

You still getting run in on the courts Bulldog?

Whenever my nephew and one his young punks think they can beat me. I play everything though

 

[TheLongHaul]

Well for one, he can feed the post better than Shaq, Cobb, or KJ. And it isn't like anyone else we have on the wing attacks the basket either...however, it is tough to do that with 2 post players and a set defense on every possession. I'll concede that. I'd just like to spell him with someone who can break people down off the dribble up top and add a different wrinkle. That wrinkle can't be out there hunting shots though...

Feeding the post is not a reason to play someone at 2 guard. Not to mention that just because Troy plays the point it isn't like he doesn't get the ball in position to feed the post. Half the time he dribbles up the court, passes it off, runs around the baseline and gets it at the elbow.

If Johnson and Cobb are not going to give you anything, I don't have a problem playing the two together. Jenifer will actually push the ball and try to create something in secondary break situations.

Cobb is 2nd in scoring and the best outside shooter. How is that not giving anything? Imagine though what he could do if the offense could provide an open look every once in a while. Even so, I'm not against Troy and JJ playing together but moving Troy off the ball isn't some magical answer to make him a better player.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Better option on wing than kj

of course, most everyone is.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Cobb is 2nd in scoring and the best outside shooter. How is that not giving anything? Imagine though what he could do if the offense could provide an open look every once in a while. Even so, I'm not against Troy and JJ playing together but moving Troy off the ball isn't some magical answer to make him a better player.

Cobb is 8/28 on three's since the Nebraska game. If you take out the Morgan State game he only has had 2 assists in the last 4 games and just 9 rebounds. He is still going to play around 25 minutes, I wouldn't be opposed to cut it down to 22 and let Jenifer and Caupain play some together. The issue with Cobb is if he isn't hitting shots, he doesn't bring much else...particularly against high major teams. He doesn't have the size to be an off guard. Of course if he is hitting shots, he is extremely valuable.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Feeding the post is not a reason to play someone at 2 guard. Not to mention that just because Troy plays the point it isn't like he doesn't get the ball in position to feed the post. Half the time he dribbles up the court, passes it off, runs around the baseline and gets it at the elbow.

When your halfcourt success hinges on being able to play inside-out, I'd say feeding the post is pretty important. And even if he doesn't stay up top all the time, bc of our walking it up the floor, half the shot clock is gone by the time he even makes the first pass and we're already crunched for time.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Whenever my nephew and one his young punks think they can beat me. I play everything though

 

[cincrulz11]

The issue with Cobb is if he isn't hitting shots, he doesn't bring much else...particularly against high major teams. He doesn't have the size to be an off guard. Of course if he is hitting shots, he is extremely valuable.

Not only is he not hitting shots but he's forced up a number of awful shots attempting to shoot himself out of it (I guess).


The 2 spot wasn't supposed to be a weakness this year, but as we are seeing with Cobb it's the same as last year, he can be really good, or really bad. There was a reason his stats at the end of the year were nearly identical to KJ.

At least Cobb doesn't turn the ball over, he won't shoot this bad forever.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Not only is he not hitting shots but he's forced up a number of awful shots attempting to shoot himself out of it (I guess).


The 2 spot wasn't supposed to be a weakness this year, but as we are seeing with Cobb it's the same as last year, he can be really good, or really bad. There was a reason his stats at the end of the year were nearly identical to KJ.

At least Cobb doesn't turn the ball over, he won't shoot this bad forever.

The two guard and small forward positions are our major question marks. If we get production from those two (or at least one), we will be a very good team. If not, we will score in the 60's.

 

[TheLongHaul]

I'm not arguing that Cobb's minutes couldn't be reduced but regardless of his recent slump he is still the best outside shooter on the team. And his defense has been decent too. It's not like any other contribute much. So I wouldn't be opposed to reducing his minutes slightly and giving more to Jenifer, but Caupain also needs some rest. Also, Jenifer needs to know his role and keep it simple.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Not only is he not hitting shots but he's forced up a number of awful shots attempting to shoot himself out of it (I guess).


The 2 spot wasn't supposed to be a weakness this year, but as we are seeing with Cobb it's the same as last year, he can be really good, or really bad. There was a reason his stats at the end of the year were nearly identical to KJ.

At least Cobb doesn't turn the ball over, he won't shoot this bad forever.

He shot 3-8 from 3 against X, that's not horrible. And that includes like you said, a couple bad shots when he was trying to force things (and I think he had one as the shot clock expired).