2015-2016 Season

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I think if deberry didn't get in foul trouble you would have seen some deberry and Ellis in the game, but since both of them were in foul trouble we had to play quadri, ideally they would like to play shaq at the 4 when Clark is not in and Evans obviously at the 3

I agree with jenifer though he should be getting 10 mins a game. Really the only head scratcher I have with the team right now. I know caupain is our best guard, but I think Jenifer is good too and caupain needs to rest.

the whole Jenifer should get so many minutes and this guy should play so many minutes is really a very hard point to make. If the VCU game doesn't tell us that the point will never be made. Coaches substitute on a number of factors. Games,injuries,foul trouble,practice performance and many other. To say this guy should get a certain amount of minutes is not quantifiable and is a really bad discussion. It has been beat to death on this board. Please Mdchick do not feel I'm calling you out on this. I'm just taking this opportunity to make a point concerning this subject. Mick plays the people who he feels give him the best chance to win the game at that particular time. I can assure you that he doesn't go in thinking I need to get this guy 10 minutes and that guy 10 minutes. Yes it would be nice if Guys who are trying to develope their skills get enough playing time to make that happen. There is no Coach in America who goes into games thinking I have to divide up the minutes. He plays and manages the team to win the games. If can incorporate that into developing the skills of some of the youngsters he certainly will. His vision of what and who needs to have time dedicated to it is all done for the betterment of the team. Trying to coach along with him or in some cases out coach him with a fraction of the info he possess to make the decisions is not practicle.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

the whole Jenifer should get so many minutes and this guy should play so many minutes is really a very hard point to make. If the VCU game doesn't tell us that the point will never be made. Coaches substitute on a number of factors. Games,injuries,foul trouble,practice performance and many other. To say this guy should get a certain amount of minutes is not quantifiable and is a really bad discussion. It has been beat to death on this board. Please Mdchick do not feel I'm calling you out on this. I'm just taking this opportunity to make a point concerning this subject. Mick plays the people who he feels give him the best chance to win the game at that particular time. I can assure you that he doesn't go in thinking I need to get this guy 10 minutes and that guy 10 minutes. Yes it would be nice if Guys who are trying to develope their skills get enough playing time to make that happen. There is no Coach in America who goes into games thinking I have to divide up the minutes. He plays and manages the team to win the games. If can incorporate that into developing the skills of some of the youngsters he certainly will. His vision of what and who needs to have time dedicated to it is all done for the betterment of the team. Trying to coach along with him or in some cases out coach him with a fraction of the info he possess to make the decisions is not practicle.

Waite, we've been over this...no one (at least I don't think) is saying the minutes should be scripted. Just that the average ends up in that ballpark. Some games less, some games more, some games right on that number. The greater point I think is that people want him on the floor to give Caupain a break, instead of having him handle PG duties for 37 minutes per game all season. And KJ hasn't given us much of anything this year, so playing Jenifer and Caupain together a little is another option.

 

[UCBearcats]

I think if deberry didn't get in foul trouble you would have seen some deberry and Ellis in the game, but since both of them were in foul trouble we had to play quadri, ideally they would like to play shaq at the 4 when Clark is not in and Evans obviously at the 3

I agree with jenifer though he should be getting 10 mins a game. Really the only head scratcher I have with the team right now. I know caupain is our best guard, but I think Jenifer is good too and caupain needs to rest.

If Jenifer wants more PT he should step up his game, same can be said for KJ and DeBerry..........Moore should never play.

 

[mdchick]

I read the first two sentences of that but Jenifer should play more than 3 minutes a game. I don't want him to transfer because most likely he is going to be playing the same amount next year. And in his mind he might get frustrated and leave the team.

 

[mdchick]

If Jenifer wants more PT he should step up his game, same can be said for KJ and DeBerry..........Moore should never play.

Whenever he is in the game he does fine. It's pretty tough to compare him to kj and deberry when he is playing almost 10 mins less than them.

 

[waterhead]

the whole Jenifer should get so many minutes and this guy should play so many minutes is really a very hard point to make. If the VCU game doesn't tell us that the point will never be made. Coaches substitute on a number of factors. Games,injuries,foul trouble,practice performance and many other. To say this guy should get a certain amount of minutes is not quantifiable and is a really bad discussion. It has been beat to death on this board. Please Mdchick do not feel I'm calling you out on this. I'm just taking this opportunity to make a point concerning this subject. Mick plays the people who he feels give him the best chance to win the game at that particular time. I can assure you that he doesn't go in thinking I need to get this guy 10 minutes and that guy 10 minutes. Yes it would be nice if Guys who are trying to develope their skills get enough playing time to make that happen. There is no Coach in America who goes into games thinking I have to divide up the minutes. He plays and manages the team to win the games. If can incorporate that into developing the skills of some of the youngsters he certainly will. His vision of what and who needs to have time dedicated to it is all done for the betterment of the team. Trying to coach along with him or in some cases out coach him with a fraction of the info he possess to make the decisions is not practicle.

It's a fan board...people are going to speculate and throw stuff out there regardless of how likely it may be to happen. However, you mention coach is trying to put us in the best position to win games. We did not need Troy for 33 plus minutes in several of our games so far. I don't mind him playing 35 in tight games.

Coach said before the season it will be nice having Jenifer this year because Troy was burnt out at the end of the season. I don't really care who it is (Cobb or Evans or Jenifer) but we need to keep Troy fresh for late in the year when it really counts. So far he's been overplayed in a few games where we weren't really in danger of losing the game.

By his OWN admission our coach knows we need to give Troy more of a breather...obviously Jenifer would be optimal...but it has to be someone

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Last year through 12 games, we had scored under 60 6 times. This year through 12 games, it has only happened 1 time.

 

[justinhub2003]

Cronin just re-iterated that he does need to get a TC a break in the 2nd half.

And its nothing to do with Jenifer performing or not performing but rather about keeping your best player fresh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXV5uXYq040

 

[waterhead]

Butler to #9 in AP and Xavier to #6.

Had we beat Butler we would probably be in their spot right now. GW is ranked #20. Based on all of this...I still think we can play with just about any team in the country.

 

[UCalum08]

Butler to #9 in AP and Xavier to #6.

Had we beat Butler we would probably be in their spot right now. GW is ranked #20. Based on all of this...I still think we can play with just about any team in the country.

Not sure why we dropped one spot in the coaches poll but whatever. We are pretty much ranked where we deserve right now.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

It's a fan board...people are going to speculate and throw stuff out there regardless of how likely it may be to happen. However, you mention coach is trying to put us in the best position to win games. We did not need Troy for 33 plus minutes in several of our games so far. I don't mind him playing 35 in tight games.

Coach said before the season it will be nice having Jenifer this year because Troy was burnt out at the end of the season. I don't really care who it is (Cobb or Evans or Jenifer) but we need to keep Troy fresh for late in the year when it really counts. So far he's been overplayed in a few games where we weren't really in danger of losing the game.

By his OWN admission our coach knows we need to give Troy more of a breather...obviously Jenifer would be optimal...but it has to be someone

No doubt but the person who makes that decision is the person who has all the info needed. He may also be trying to work on something with Troy in the game as well. Second guessing the coach on who gets what minutes is ridiculous. I'll leave it at that. The board sounds like a bunch of parents lobbying for their son or daughter to get more playing time. As a coach for lots of years that was my biggest pain in the rump.

 

[waterhead]

No doubt but the person who makes that decision is the person who has all the info needed. He may also be trying to work on something with Troy in the game as well. Second guessing the coach on who gets what minutes is ridiculous. I'll leave it at that. The board sounds like a bunch of parents lobbying for their son or daughter to get more playing time. As a coach for lots of years that was my biggest pain in the rump.

I agree to a certain extent but there are a lot of different coaching styles. If our coach was getting us deep in march I probably wouldn't second guess much of anything. Obviously he knows more than myself and 99% of fans but that doesn't mean a good idea couldn't come out of fan speculation that he hasn't thought of. Not that Jenifer playing more minutes is one of them. However, he has said Troy needs more rest than he's getting last year and even this year. Speculating on who might get those minutes seems appropriate in that light.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Waite, we've been over this...no one (at least I don't think) is saying the minutes should be scripted. Just that the average ends up in that ballpark. Some games less, some games more, some games right on that number. The greater point I think is that people want him on the floor to give Caupain a break, instead of having him handle PG duties for 37 minutes per game all season. And KJ hasn't given us much of anything this year, so playing Jenifer and Caupain together a little is another option.

Playing time is not done on average. It's done according to team needs based on the game situations. You don't think mick understands when his players need a break. My gosh is he a idiot. Coach knows the strength and weaknesses of each player much more then anyone on this board. Jacob yes it's been debated with every game thread. Who should play who should start who should sit. Because it's obvious our coach is wrong with his substitutions. I'll leave it at that. Lol!

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I agree to a certain extent but there are a lot of different coaching styles. If our coach was getting us deep in march I probably wouldn't second guess much of anything. Obviously he knows more than myself and 99% of fans but that doesn't mean a good idea couldn't come out of fan speculation that he hasn't thought of. Not that Jenifer playing more minutes is one of them. However, he has said Troy needs more rest than he's getting last year and even this year. Speculating on who might get those minutes seems appropriate in that light.

WH if you want to comment on how the team's subs should be handled feel free. I will not comment on the subject again. Oh and if our coach was winning championships people would still second guess him and every other coach. Doesn't make it any less ridiculous. When coaches start listening to fans it is time to replace the coach.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Playing time is not done on average. It's done according to team needs based on the game situations. You don't think mick understands when his players need a break. My gosh is he a idiot. Coach knows the strength and weaknesses of each player much more then anyone on this board. Jacob yes it's been debated with every game thread. Who should play who should start who should sit. Because it's obvious our coach is wrong with his substitutions. I'll leave it at that. Lol!

We're clearly not on the same page here. No one is arguing that playing time should have nothing to do with game situation. We all understand that.

We have 19 games left in the regular season...some people are hoping Jenifer can get 180-200 minutes in that stretch. Not in a predetermined way, of course...but hoping that game situations allow for him to get on the floor that much.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

We're clearly not on the same page here. No one is arguing that playing time should have nothing to do with game situation. We all understand that.

We have 19 games left in the regular season...some people are hoping Jenifer can get 180-200 minutes in that stretch. Not in a predetermined way, of course...but hoping that game situations allow for him to get on the floor that much.

I hope the players who get in the game fill their roles and contribute to a very nice season. I'll Let coach determine how that is accomplished. As mentioned years of dealing with parents has soured me on people outside of the staff suggesting who should play.

 

[waterhead]

WH if you want to comment on how the team's subs should be handled feel free. I will not comment on the subject again. Oh and if our coach was winning championships people would still second guess him and every other coach. Doesn't make it any less ridiculous. When coaches start listening to fans it is time to replace the coach.

It's a fan board. I'm not sure anyone is expecting this is the optimal forum in which to effect our coaches philosophy or that Cronin is pooring over our posts looking for help. It's just fun banter...that's really what the whole fan forum is for.

If the only subjects were hooray we won or it sucks we lost...this place would be boring as hell

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

It's a fan board. I'm not sure anyone is expecting this is the optimal forum in which to effect our coaches philosophy or that Cronin is pooring over our posts looking for help. It's just fun banter...that's really what the whole fan forum is for.

If the only subjects were hooray we won or it sucks we lost...this place would be boring as hell

Probably so.

 

[waterhead]

Some of my biggest surprises in this young season so far.

Cobb...almost 50% from 3
Ellis...1 technical I think?
Troy...assist to turnover ratio
Evans...93% from the line
Shaq...finally changed arc on shot

By the way. ..i checked 3 of these stats today. Evans would rank 6th nationally with Caupain and Cobb both ranked in the 20s somewhere. I'm not sure Evans is qualified but he can't be far off. Evans is also leading the team in turnovers per 40 minutes. He's going to be special.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

By the way. ..i checked 3 of these stats today. Evans would rank 6th nationally with Caupain and Cobb both ranked in the 20s somewhere. I'm not sure Evans is qualified but he can't be far off. Evans is also leading the team in turnovers per 40 minutes. He's going to be special.

He already is special!