2017-2018 Season

[cincyguy13]

Washington made a few poor decisions by shooting 3's when he shouldn't have but there came a point in time late in the season when it looked as if he was banned from shooting them. I didn't get this strategy since Kyle was knocking down 40%+ on the year. I don't care if there are other guards in practice knocking down a higher % than Kyle...if he makes them in games...let him shoot when he's open. All of our guards/wings are allowed to shoot when open. Kyle had a better % than most of them. If he's wide freaking open...let him shoot the 3!

Game situation matters. Like the ucla game. If a team has momentum and the game is getting out of hand, probably not the best idea to shoot a long 2 or 3 with 25 seconds on the clock.

 

[waterhead]

Washington made a few poor decisions by shooting 3's when he shouldn't have but there came a point in time late in the season when it looked as if he was banned from shooting them. I didn't get this strategy since Kyle was knocking down 40%+ on the year. I don't care if there are other guards in practice knocking down a higher % than Kyle...if he makes them in games...let him shoot when he's open. All of our guards/wings are allowed to shoot when open. Kyle had a better % than most of them. If he's wide freaking open...let him shoot the 3!

Kyle shot 43% from 3 for his first 29 games when he was allowed to select his shots. He was 0-7 for the last 7 games ending at 36% when the decision was taken from him. I do think he made a few bad decisions on the year from 3 but I think the message could have been more effectively communicated to him to allow him to continue to choose wiser decisions. I think out guards made bad selections at times too but the impact is unfairly magnified when a BIG makes the decision.

I think the decision to NOT allow him to shoot when he thought it was appropriate really killed his natural instinct and confidence. It's a fine line to let a player know when it's okay to shoot and basically telling them not to.

 

[waterhead]

Are you making a assumption here or do you have info saying he was told not to shoot. I really think like most of the players was probably told not to shoot them so early in the clock and it was probably mentioned that we need him on the offensive glass but I have a hard time believing he was told not to shoot them if he is open.

It would be hard to imagine this is an assumption. I saw Kyle passing up WIDE OPEN 3's late in the season that he took all year long. Kyle is a very confident and aggressive shooter...he wants to shoot. I don't know how else to explain it really.

 

[waterhead]

Game situation matters. Like the ucla game. If a team has momentum and the game is getting out of hand, probably not the best idea to shoot a long 2 or 3 with 25 seconds on the clock.

This is my problem. We would have loved to see Cumberland, Troy, or Evans with a wide open 3 and would have been fine with them shooting it even early in the clock. Kyle was one of the best 3 point shooters all year.

Watch the last 5-10 games and tell me you don't see Kyle passing up many shots that are so wide open they would be practice shots.

 

[cincyguy13]

It would be hard to imagine this is an assumption. I saw Kyle passing up WIDE OPEN 3's late in the season that he took all year long. Kyle is a very confident and aggressive shooter...he wants to shoot. I don't know how else to explain it really.

Not every open shot is a good shot. He might be a decent shooter but he's not steph curry

 

[cincyguy13]

This is my problem. We would have loved to see Cumberland, Troy, or Evans with a wide open 3 and would have been fine with them shooting it even early in the clock. Kyle was one of the best 3 point shooters all year.

Watch the last 5-10 games and tell me you don't see Kyle passing up many shots that are so wide open they would be practice shots.

Cumberland took a bad shot also. I like both players. Their confidence can be great at times and bad at others but makes them who they are. I get it. Just saying if we need a bucket late in a game, I would like to see them work the ball around and try to get a easy layup. Those long 3s are a last resort and will always be there.

 

[waterhead]

Cumberland took a bad shot also. I like both players. Their confidence can be great at times and bad at others but makes them who they are. I get it. Just saying if we need a bucket late in a game, I would like to see them work the ball around and try to get a easy layup. Those long 3s are a last resort and will always be there.

I disagree. We worked the ball around a lot of times passing up wide open shots hoping to get better looks inside. Then we end up getting a bad shot or even a shot clock violation.

If you have a 43% 3 point shooter with a wide open look...you let it fly IMO!

 

[cincyguy13]

I disagree. We worked the ball around a lot of times passing up wide open shots hoping to get better looks inside. Then we end up getting a bad shot or even a shot clock violation.

If you have a 43% 3 point shooter with a wide open look...you let it fly IMO!

If you do let it fly, it better go in. If you try to go shot for shot with ucla, it won't go well

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Not every open shot is a good shot. He might be a decent shooter but he's not steph curry

Isn't the point of running an offense to get open shots? I agree mostly with your point. It depends on the situation. I did see him pass up a lot at the end of the season that I wouldn't have been upset with him taking, but for all we know he was just in a massive cold spell and wasn't even hitting them regularly in warm-ups or practice.

 

[waterhead]

Not every open shot is a good shot. He might be a decent shooter but he's not steph curry

You don't have to be Steph Curry. Do the math. Anyone would take 43% from 3 with a wide open look as opposed to trying for something different.

You take 10 wide open 3's at 43% and that equals 13 points. You take 10 shots from 2 at 60% and that equals 12 points.

Now there are other things to consider like getting fouled of course...but there are also things to consider like getting off a bad shot late in the clock or not getting a shot off due to shot clock violations.

It's not always easy getting a good shot off against a good defense. Take them when you can IMO.

 

[waterhead]

If you do let it fly, it better go in. If you try to go shot for shot with ucla, it won't go well

If you pass up a wide open shot you better get a damn good look in return or it won't go well against anyone.

 

[cincyguy13]

Isn't the point of running an offense to get open shots? I agree mostly with your point. It depends on the situation. I did see him pass up a lot at the end of the season that I wouldn't have been upset with him taking, but for all we know he was just in a massive cold spell and wasn't even hitting them regularly in warm-ups or practice.

Being down 8-9, or whatever we were down, I wouldn't think we were trying to get an open 3 for Washington with 25 seconds on the clock. Like I said, if we want that shot. It will be there anytime we want it. Just my opinion. agree to disagree

 

[waterhead]

Isn't the point of running an offense to get open shots? I agree mostly with your point. It depends on the situation. I did see him pass up a lot at the end of the season that I wouldn't have been upset with him taking, but for all we know he was just in a massive cold spell and wasn't even hitting them regularly in warm-ups or practice.

We are talking about Kyle Washington here right? I don't think he believes in cold spells...LOL!

 

[cincyguy13]

You don't have to be Steph Curry. Do the math. Anyone would take 43% from 3 with a wide open look as opposed to trying for something different.

You take 10 wide open 3's at 43% and that equals 13 points. You take 10 shots from 2 at 60% and that equals 12 points.

Now there are other things to consider like getting fouled of course...but there are also things to consider like getting off a bad shot late in the clock or not getting a shot off due to shot clock violations.

It's not always easy getting a good shot off against a good defense. Take them when you can IMO.

Why wouldn't kyle shoot 10-15 3s a game then. I'm sure teams will let him

 

[jacobkdoyle]

We are talking about Kyle Washington here right? I don't think he believes in cold spells...LOL!

That may be the problem.

 

[cincyguy13]

That may be the problem.

If we are just doing the math, then why not?

 

[cincyguy13]

If we are just doing the math, then why not?

It's almost like there's more to it than just the math.

 

[waterhead]

That may be the problem.

Right...so you effectively communicate what is a good shot. A guarded shot with 20 seconds left...no. Wide open with your feet set and shoulders square? Almost every time unless we are trying to run clock off.

 

[Jon Rycek]

These things (along with what Waite said about Evans drawing more fouls) can be accomplished by Evans not "over dribbling" ala Thomas. Just make a damn move and go to the rack or pull up J. Stop with the dribbling around for a few seconds only to pass the ball back to someone else.

Cumberland is awesome at this. He also can see when there is a man standing wide open in the corner and deliver the assist. If Evans can copy Cumberland on just this one thing...he will be extremely hard to stop.

Even when we run an ISO with Evans he still dribbles too much. There are 5 or 6 basic moves when you ISO. Dribble once or twice and fake aggression towards the bucket but pull up beyond 3. Dribble once or twice and go hard to the rack. Dribble once or twice and make a move to the rack and pull up J inside the arc. Dribble once or twice and make a move and do the step back jumper. Dribble once or twice and go hard to the rack and kick it back out. Pump fake and make your move. Cumberland KNOWS how to do all of these.

Stop all the fancy dribbling and go!!

Lol

 

[waterhead]

If we are just doing the math, then why not?

As long as he knocks down 43% I could care less. Just as an FYI...43% would be a very high career average for any UC 3 point shooter in history with significant attempts.

In fact Field Williams is the highest % with over 100 made shots at 40% in the history of UC basketball. 40%!! The highest!!

Kyle doesn't have 100 made shots...but that's the point. At the rate he made them in the first 39 games you let him shoot IMO.