jacobkdoyle
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Idk man. That seems completely crazy to me.
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Idk man. That seems completely crazy to me.
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Do you honestly think he is in that category of shooters? It seems like you doAlso just an FYI (and I know this is abysmal) is that 36% career 3 point % would be 5th place all time with 100 made shots. Not that Kyle will get there but just to give his % perspective. NVE is 5th all time at .358. Logan .378. Durden .385. Burton .394. Williams is .401 at first place.
Kyle can shoot a pretty good %. I don't know why we want to keep him from jacking up open shots no matter if they are early clock or not. Even 36% is a good rate compared to our history. God knows the % of Troy and KJ were not on par with the best in history and I'm not sure why UC fans would rather have them shoot than Kyle.
Maybe with volume Kyle's numbers would go down...but we probably won't find that out.
That's where We disagree. You think his numbers will grow or remain around 40% if he shot more, where I think his numbers were just coming back to earth. I hope you're right, I just don't see him being a 40% 3 point shooter over time
We will definitely not agree here because Kyle was shooting open 3's for most of the season until late. He was making 43%. Then he stopped shooting open looks.
I am not trying to say he will be the greatest 3 point shooter of all time...just that I want him shooting open looks if he can make 35-40%. Why? Beacuse that will place him in the top 5 of all time as a %. Not as a volume shooter...just as a %.
You think his % came down due to "coming back to earth". I think they came down due to someone making him question every shot he was selecting. Either way we can't prove it so who cares...it's just my opinion. 30 games is big sample size...watching him pass up practice shots from 3 late in the season was frustrating to me. He was making them early on.
Do you honestly think he is in that category of shooters? It seems like you do
NO. I want him to shoot open shots because he can make them.
Idk man. That seems completely crazy to me.
Okay...it's crazy but that's not my point. My point he was shooting 43% for most of the season and then stopped shooting. He's not a volume shooter like our 3 point greats...but he knocks down a similar % when he decides to shoot.
The context of what I am saying is not to have him be a 3 point specialist...just to shoot his open 3's.
Didn't you say 43% is better than Field Williams? Does that sound right to you?
43% is better than Field Williams career numbers yes.
Do I think if Kyle shot as many he would be the same? NO.
But that's not my point either so...
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Okay...it's crazy but that's not my point. My point he was shooting 43% for most of the season and then stopped shooting. He's not a volume shooter like our 3 point greats...but he knocks down a similar % when he decides to shoot.
The context of what I am saying is not to have him be a 3 point specialist...just to shoot his open 3's.
If he was a great shooter, why would mick not let him shoot. Honest question. Mick wants to win right? If he was as good as you say he is, why wouldn't he be shooting 5-10 3s a game?
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Also just an FYI (and I know this is abysmal) is that 36% career 3 point % would be 5th place all time with 100 made shots. Not that Kyle will get there but just to give his % perspective. NVE is 5th all time at .358. Logan .378. Durden .385. Burton .394. Williams is .401 at first place.
Kyle can shoot a pretty good %. I don't know why we want to keep him from jacking up open shots no matter if they are early clock or not. Even 36% is a good rate compared to our history. God knows the % of Troy and KJ were not on par with the best in history and I'm not sure why UC fans would rather have them shoot than Kyle.
Maybe with volume Kyle's numbers would go down...but we probably won't find that out.
I'm not saying I don't want him taking open shots. I'm only saying he's not a true 43% 3 pt shooter.
43% is better than Field Williams career numbers yes.
Do I think if Kyle shot as many he would be the same? NO.
But that's not my point either so...
I am trying to put Kyles % in context. We would never mind if our best 3 point shooters in history would take open shots. If Kyle can knock down a similar % (even if he doesn't take as many) I would think we would all be happy...or at least I would.
I'm not saying I don't want him taking open shots. I'm only saying he's not a true 43% 3 pt shooter.
I don't think he is either. But I think he is better than Caupain or KJ at least when we are playing a game. Maybe not in practice.
Until he proved he wasn't (in a game) I would have let him take shots before KJ and Troy.
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I don't think he is either. But I think he is better than Caupain or KJ at least when we are playing a game. Maybe not in practice.
Until he proved he wasn't (in a game) I would have let him take shots before KJ and Troy.
Still confused by your assumption. We played 36 games. The first 18 Kyle was 8-19 the second 18 he was 7-20. Trying to understand your thought that he stopped taking them at the rate he was early in the year. I know you mentioned you eyeballed this but it seems you may be wrong.
I don't think he is either. But I think he is better than Caupain or KJ at least when we are playing a game. Maybe not in practice.
Until he proved he wasn't (in a game) I would have let him take shots before KJ and Troy.
Here is the other thing I see with Kyle. He is not AFRAID to shoot in big games...nor does his % take a big hit. In fact his % when he took 3's in some big games was 44%. Perhaps that is better than most of the other guys on our team who shrunk in those same games.
14 of his 15 threes came against RI, ISU, Butler, Temple, Houston, Uconn, UCF, and SMU.
44%! 93% of his MADE 3's were against our better competition!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is no question he was passing up open looks for the last 5-10 games. One of the only guys who had confidence enough to shoot and make them was likely being asked to find better shots.
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There is a big question. the stats don't back you up. He shot more 3's the last 18 games then he did the first.Here is the other thing I see with Kyle. He is not AFRAID to shoot in big games...nor does his % take a big hit. In fact his % when he took 3's in some big games was 44%. Perhaps that is better than most of the other guys on our team who shrunk in those same games.
14 of his 15 threes came against RI, ISU, Butler, Temple, Houston, Uconn, UCF, and SMU.
44%.
There is no question he was passing up open looks for the last 5-10 games. One of the only guys who had confidence enough to shoot and make them was likely being asked to find better shots.
Still confused by your assumption. We played 36 games. The first 18 Kyle was 8-19 the second 18 he was 7-20. Trying to understand your thought that he stopped taking them at the rate he was early in the year. I know you mentioned you eyeballed this but it seems you may be wrong.
I was talking about passing up wide open shots not how many attempts he had. Watch the last 5-10 games and then come back and tell me you disagree.
There is a big question. the stats don't back you up. He shot more 3's the last 18 games then he did the first.
I am not talking about quantity. I am talking about passed up wide open shots. Just like I think Evans passed up wide open shots. At his rate...I don't recommend passing them up.
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So you think Coach told him not to shoot as well.I am not talking about quantity. I am talking about passed up wide open shots. Just like I think Evans passed up wide open shots. At his rate...I don't recommend passing them up.
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Yeah this doesn't make sense. He still should have been able to make a 3 at the end of the shot clock just as much as at the beginning of the shot clock. The point of waiting is because it's easier to live with a miss in last 5 -10 seconds left of a shot clock than the first 5 seconds of the shot clock.
Here is the other thing I see with Kyle. He is not AFRAID to shoot in big games...nor does his % take a big hit. In fact his % when he took 3's in some big games was 44%. Perhaps that is better than most of the other guys on our team who shrunk in those same games.
14 of his 15 threes came against RI, ISU, Butler, Temple, Houston, Uconn, UCF, and SMU.
44%! 93% of his MADE 3's were against our better competition!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is no question he was passing up open looks for the last 5-10 games. One of the only guys who had confidence enough to shoot and make them was likely being asked to find better shots.
You are not going to find a better resume than that on our team against the best competition from the 3 point range I don't think. And if you do...I want to see them shooting more 3's.
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He was 0-3 against UCLA. WH my point is you indicated Mick told him to stop shooting them. I see know evidence to suggest that. Maybe Coach wanted the guys to be more selective in their shots. But no way did he tell Kyle to stop shooting them. asking players to be more selective is not a bad thing. The volume of his 3's indicate he really didn't change at all. Your eyeballs may be a bit off.
Yeah this doesn't make sense. He still should have been able to make a 3 at the end of the shot clock just as much as at the beginning of the shot clock. The point of waiting is because it's easier to live with a miss in last 5 -10 seconds left of a shot clock than the first 5 seconds of the shot clock.
This is not even close to true. Making open shots when you get them is always preferred to taking harder shots as the clock runs down.