Right...so you effectively communicate what is a good shot. A guarded shot with 20 seconds left...no. Wide open with your feet set and shoulders square? Almost every time unless we are trying to run clock off.
Being down 8-9, or whatever we were down, I wouldn't think we were trying to get an open 3 for Washington with 25 seconds on the clock. Like I said, if we want that shot. It will be there anytime we want it. Just my opinion. agree to disagree
Not every open shot is a good shot. He might be a decent shooter but he's not steph curry
What does this even mean? Only steph curry can hit a variety of wide open shots?
As long as he knocks down 43% I could care less. Just as an FYI...43% would be a very high career average for any UC 3 point shooter in history with significant attempts.
In fact Field Williams is the highest % with over 100 made shots at 40% in the history of UC basketball. 40%!! The highest!!
Kyle doesn't have 100 made shots...but that's the point. At the rate he made them in the first 39 games you let him shoot IMO.
Didn't you say Washington was 36%? You can't throw out the misses bc you're convinced the coach made him miss. 36% seems much more correct than 43 if you watched him play all year. I chalk it up to self-correction and a cold streak.
Yeah, no one knows. We are all just spitballing. He could have just been off. I also want Kyle to have some restrictions. As good as you say his number are, I've never once thought he was a great shooter. I don't want him shooting everytimeObviously there is no way to prove this but if you watch the last 5-10 games and watch Washington passing up wide open shots that he didn't early in the year one could easily argue something changed. Being that Kyle is a very confident shooter and never sees a shot he doesn't like...I doubt it was Kyle's decision to pass them up. Let's be real.
When someone else places restrictions on you...it can have an effect. Once again, I can't prove any of this...it's just my opinion. I saw a big change in the way Kyle approached 3 pointers late in the year...specifically the last 5-10 games. I could be wrong....just an observation.
Didn't you say Washington was 36%? You can't throw out the misses bc you're convinced the coach made him miss. 36% seems much more correct than 43 if you watched him play all year. I chalk it up to self-correction and a cold streak.
ESPN article on UC next season: Called us Trending UP
"We continue our recruit and return series with the Cincinnati Bearcats, whose season ended Sunday with a loss to UCLA in the South Region. A look at what the 2017-18 season could hold:
Possible 2017-18 starting five
G: Cane Broome (transfer)
G: Jarron Cumberland
F: Jacob Evans
F: Gary Clark
F: Kyle Washington
Who is lost: Troy Caupain and Kevin Johnson have been staples in Cincinnati’s backcourt for the past four years, but a new era will be ushered in next season. Caupain, in particular, has been a linchpin for the Bearcats. He has been among the nation’s best at taking care of the ball and has consistently created for his teammates. Johnson was the more prolific outside shooter and was a nice complementary piece for coach Mick Cronin for four seasons.
Who is added: Cronin always recruits under-the-radar prospects who fit his mold, and this class is no different. The player who epitomizes it the most is Keith Williams, a 6-foot-4 shooting guard from Brooklyn who will bring toughness and a little bit of everything on the offensive end. He’s joined on the perimeter by wing Trevor Moore, a knockdown shooter the Bearcats hope can stretch the defense early in his career. Rounding out the freshmen will be Canada native Eliel Nsoseme, a 6-foot-9 center who needs to add weight before really making an impact inside. The newcomer who has everyone excited, though, is transfer Broome. Before sitting out this season, Broome averaged 23.1 points as a sophomore at Sacred Heart. He will be the most dangerous perimeter scorer Cincinnati has had in a few years.
What it means for next season: The backcourt needs to be totally replaced, but the frontcourt returns intact -- and it’s one of the best forward trios in the country. Washington, a former NC State transfer, made an immediate impact in a Cincinnati uniform, even showing off an improved perimeter shot. The lefty was a consistent option in the post and also rebounded well. Post partner Clark was a load for opponents to handle on the block, and he’s a dominant offensive rebounder. Wing forward Evans can shoot it from the perimeter and is adept at creating matchup problems because of his size and passing ability. If Broome starts, Cincinnati will probably look to backup point guard Justin Jenifer or Cumberland, a former ESPN 100 shooting guard who could be poised for a breakout season. He’s a strong wing who gives Cincinnati an added dimension off the ball.
Trending: Up. The Bearcats have now been to seven consecutive NCAA tournaments, and that streak won’t likely end next season. Their frontcourt is easily the best in the league, and a backcourt of Broome and Cumberland would bring scoring like we haven’t seen from Cincinnati in a long time."
I like it!!! The only question for me is how well can Broome hit the 3? He will find ways to score and create better than any pg we have had here since Logan
Yeah, no one knows. We are all just spitballing. He could have just been off. I also want Kyle to have some restrictions. As good as you say his number are, I've never once thought he was a great shooter. I don't want him shooting everytime
I like it too. Biggest question mark is cane. If he can give us 12-15 ppg. Should be a great year.
I like it too. Biggest question mark is cane. If he can give us 12-15 ppg. Should be a great year.
That's where We disagree. You think his numbers will grow or remain around 40% if he shot more, where I think his numbers were just coming back to earth. I hope you're right, I just don't see him being a 40% 3 point shooter over timeI don't think I want Kyle being a volume 3 shooter because he is so effective on the inside. But I don't want him questioning wide open looks either at his rate of making them. Even 36%, which includes his downfall, would be better than everyone on the team but Evans and Jenifer. His upside, as a %, is better than any UC 3 point shooter in history.
I have not seen him play in person. Over the years, people tend to overhype incoming players. I hope he's greatHave you seen him play in person or know anyone close to the program to get some good insight on him? I saw him play in the scrimmage and impressed me the most out of any other Bearcat out there. The way he was getting to the lane and finishing with layups was something I personally haven't seen in a Bearcat uniform. I talked to a player and he says how good he is and Cronin talks about how he probably is the best player on the team. Cane isn't a question mark to me overall, I just don't know how his shooting is? He will score though and create. Not even a question. I think 12-15 points is not going to be even close to a problem for him.
Didn't you say Washington was 36%? You can't throw out the misses bc you're convinced the coach made him miss. 36% seems much more correct than 43 if you watched him play all year. I chalk it up to self-correction and a cold streak.
I have not seen him play in person. Over the years, people tend to overhype incoming players. I hope he's great
And yes I am arguing a free wheeling Kyle Washington can maybe be a 43% shooter as opposed to a guy questioning whether any of his 3 point attempts are good attempts in the eyes of his coach as he shoots them.
Observation and not anything I can prove...but IMO there was significant evidence to say something changed late in the year as to his 3 point shot selection. Even to the detriment of forcing 2 point shots which dropped his % there as well.
If you didn't hear any of Cronin's post game pressers asserting how he would like Gary and Kyle to be playing through contact...one could understand why Kyle started taking less threes and forcing more twos driving both of his %'s down.
Whatever it was that coach was driving at seemed to significantly hurt Kyle's effectiveness late season. We could chalk it up to a cold spell late season but that's not what I think happened.