2021-22 Open Thread

[TheRealMick]

If Brannen traded Tari, Harvey and gabe for the guys we added I would’ve asked for his resignation. I’m just keeping it real I don’t like the direction so far. We added zero local connected kids, I don’t care about rankings but I expect to have at least 4-5 kids on roster from Cincinnati or in 75 mile radius. We added not one stud but lost two(Tari/Harvey)

 

[kskenyon4]

Gtfoh, the man literally left before ever stepping foot on campus or workout

So where you're from for 18 years and all your friends back home mean nothing? Was he supposed to wait to workout then transfer?

Everyone knows everything about John Newman all of sudden, didn't know you were such insiders.

All I said was its worth noting this wasn't some random small school, its literally a small city where he's from. To pretend that isn't a factor is blinding yourself to fit whatever narrative you have before Wes has been here 4 weeks.

 

[kskenyon4]

If Brannen traded Tari, Harvey and gabe for the guys we added I would’ve asked for his resignation. I’m just keeping it real I don’t like the direction so far. We added zero local connected kids, I don’t care about rankings but I expect to have at least 4-5 kids on roster from Cincinnati or in 75 mile radius. We added not one stud but lost two(Tari/Harvey)

Just to be clear, lost a STUD in Harvey who went to UCSB.... a school that if we got a player from there would be a small fish and looked down upon, got it.

Gabe played 1 game and looked horrible. He was gone in 2020. Who knows what we lost there.

 

[TheRealMick]

So where you're from for 18 years and all your friends back home mean nothing? Was he supposed to wait to workout then transfer?

Everyone knows everything about John Newman all of sudden, didn't know you were such insiders.

All I said was its worth noting this wasn't some random small school, its literally a small city where he's from. To pretend that isn't a factor is blinding yourself to fit whatever narrative you have before Wes has been here 4 weeks.

All that’s irrelevant so save your time. You mentioned he was from Greensboro this and that but literally never played for them. That’s facts I don’t care about insider information you have for us *

 

[TheRealMick]

Just to be clear, lost a STUD in Harvey who went to UCSB.... a school that if we got a player from there would be a small fish and looked down upon, got it.

Gabe played 1 game and looked horrible. He was gone in 2020. Who knows what we lost there.

I’ll take Newman and McGinnis over maw/Ddj but not over Harvey/gabe. I think we get JD johnson so that kinda helps but it would’ve been nice if KD/Newman were replacing Williams

 

[cincrulz11]

Mike Roberts was a UNCG assistant was he not?

He was there from 2011-2019 and was the Assistant Head Coach. His last job at Indiana wasn't even as a coach it was an adminstrative role. He was the assistant AD.

you're blatantly ignoring the 2 years he was an assistant coach at Indiana for the month he was in an administrative role, which is a really awful way to prove whatever point you're going for.

 

[MDW79]

Just to be clear, lost a STUD in Harvey who went to UCSB.... a school that if we got a player from there would be a small fish and looked down upon, got it.

Gabe played 1 game and looked horrible. He was gone in 2020. Who knows what we lost there.

Kinda scary actually that a school like UCSB can pull a talented kid like Harvey out of the portal while we're picking up guys like Koval, McGinnis and Hensley.

There's good players out there. But it just so happens that the best we could was to pluck 4 kids all from the same program.

No problem with any our guys individually. A case can be made for each and everyone of them on their own. But collectively they tell a completely different story.

 

[kskenyon4]

Kinda scary actually that a school like UCSB can pull a talented kid like Harvey out of the portal while we're picking up guys like Koval, McGinnis and Hensley.

There's good players out there. But it just so happens that the best we could was to pluck 4 kids all from the same program.

No problem with any our guys individually. A case can be made for each and everyone of them on their own. But collectively they tell a completely different story.

It's like any player who leaves UC is gold but the same standard isn't applied to incoming.

I looked and can't find any articles quickly, but who even recruited Harvey in the portal? Where else could he have legitimately gone...

 

[MDW79]

you're blatantly ignoring the 2 years he was an assistant coach at Indiana for the month he was in an administrative role, which is a really awful way to prove whatever point you're going for.

I don't really know how long he spent at either position, although I was under the impression it was a year on the bench and a year in the adminstration.

To be honest, I don't really care either. My point had very little to do with the length of each tenure.

The fact of the matter is he was a UNCG coach for 8 years, and was the Assistant Head Coach there. He's yet another UNCG guy.

What's funny is I'm getting accused of being dishonest or uneducated for simply pointing out these ties while others are simply representing Newman as Clemson and Roberts as Indiana. Like Newman wasn't commited to UNCG at all. Like Roberts didn't coach there for nearly a decade.

Not sure how much more clear I can make this. None of my complaints or my initial rant has anything to do with these individual names. It's the collective approach that I'm questioning.

When you step up in ranks from a school like UNCG to the University of Cincinnati that absolute last thing I want to see you do is to bring 4 kids from your program and put them on scholarship here.

Out of 9 spots (5 players, 4 coaches) 7 of those have gone to people with direct ties to UNCG. The other 2 include a player from North Carolina where's Wes' dad has a building named after him, and a quality assistant from the South.

I don't dig this approach. He doesn't exactly cast a very wide net. It reeks of Wes Miller thinking that he's still in the Southern Conference and/or having absolutely no connections beyond that region.

Agree to disagree. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it just so happens that out of 1,500 players in the portal 4 of the very best options all just happened to be set to be on UNCG's roster for '21. I find that extremely doubtful, but to each their own.

 

[sedziobs]

FYI, since some people are probably getting annoyed at having their posts moved, I'm trying to keep serious discussion about the roster in the 2021-22 Roster thread and emotional debates/rants/arguments here. It's good to have these heated discussions, I would just like to separate them from more informative posts.

 

[waterhead]

John Newman was a UNCG commit was he not?

Miller took 4 kids from UNCG (Koval, McGinnis, Hensley and Newman).

Newman wasn't a UNCG guy...he was a Wes Miller guy. He came to UC with Wes from Clemson.

As for Roberts...yes he WAS a UNCG guy but he went and got experience in the B10. And don't let his job title there fool you.

 

[itsamemario]

John Newman was a UNCG commit was he not?

Miller took 4 kids from UNCG (Koval, McGinnis, Hensley and Newman). 3 of them were already on the roster and the other was already commited (Newman).

Mike Roberts was a UNCG assistant was he not?

He was there from 2011-2019 and was the Assistant Head Coach. His last job at Indiana wasn't even as a coach it was an adminstrative role. He was the assistant AD.

I don't think I was being dishonest at all with using the word ties. He took 4 kids with ties to UNCG, and he took 3 coaches with ties to UNCG. None of this is any way untrue. In fact, I was careful to use the word "ties" for the very reasons you just described.

Tell me if this statement is true or not: 4 players that were going to be on UNCG roster in '21 are now going to be on UC's roster in '21.

The only reason I used North Carolina as a whole was to include the recent Wake transfer (Aguama) They're all connected to the state of North Carolina.

PS I won't comment any further about whether this is the right move or not. I've made my opinions known.

You should really start doing some research before posting this stuff. Roberts was an assitant coach. New head coach Mike Woodson changed his role....to bring in his own staff. like all coaches do.

Stop with the UNCG players stuff. UNCG would have blown out UC last year

 

[MDW79]

It's like any player who leaves UC is gold but the same standard isn't applied to incoming.

I looked and can't find any articles quickly, but who even recruited Harvey in the portal? Where else could he have legitimately gone...

Don't know, but I do know that I'd trade any guy Wes Miller has brought in, save Agauma (We need a quality big guy), for him.

I'd take Harvey over McGinnis, or Koval, or Hensley or Newman in a heartbeat.

Former Top 50 recruit, averaged more pt's per minute than Newman's much talked about Sophmore year (pre injury), while shooting 50% from the field and 46% from 3.

Fwiw, I don't blame Miller for Harvey leaving or for not convicing him to stay. That would be both incredibly unfair and plain stupid.

I'm merely pointing this out to show that UCSB plucked a guy from the portal that's probably a better player than every single guy Miller has landed so far.

 

[itsamemario]

If Brannen traded Tari, Harvey and gabe for the guys we added I would’ve asked for his resignation. I’m just keeping it real I don’t like the direction so far. We added zero local connected kids, I don’t care about rankings but I expect to have at least 4-5 kids on roster from Cincinnati or in 75 mile radius. We added not one stud but lost two(Tari/Harvey)

Gabe played 5 minutes last year..... Harvey was far from a "stud". What the hell does 75 mile radius to Cincinnati have to do with anything right now? Hes been on the job a month. Its not like there are any 2021 D1 players available right now. I swear people dont use their brains

 

[itsamemario]

I don't really know how long he spent at either position, although I was under the impression it was a year on the bench and a year in the adminstration.

To be honest, I don't really care either. My point had very little to do with the length of each tenure.

The fact of the matter is he was a UNCG coach for 8 years, and was the Assistant Head Coach there. He's yet another UNCG guy.

What's funny is I'm getting accused of being dishonest or uneducated for simply pointing out these ties while others are simply representing Newman as Clemson and Roberts as Indiana. Like Newman wasn't commited to UNCG at all. Like Roberts didn't coach there for nearly a decade.

Not sure how much more clear I can make this. None of my complaints or my initial rant has anything to do with these individual names. It's the collective approach that I'm questioning.

When you step up in ranks from a school like UNCG to the University of Cincinnati that absolute last thing I want to see you do is to bring 4 kids from your program and put them on scholarship here.

Out of 9 spots (5 players, 4 coaches) 7 of those have gone to people with direct ties to UNCG. The other 2 include a player from North Carolina where's Wes' dad has a building named after him, and a quality assistant from the South.

I don't dig this approach. He doesn't exactly cast a very wide net. It reeks of Wes Miller thinking that he's still in the Southern Conference and/or having absolutely no connections beyond that region.

Agree to disagree. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it just so happens that out of 1,500 players in the portal 4 of the very best options all just happened to be set to be on UNCG's roster for '21. I find that extremely doubtful, but to each their own.

LMFAO. you havent made a single point

 

[MDW79]

You should really start doing some research before posting this stuff. Roberts was an assitant coach. New head coach Mike Woodson changed his role....to bring in his own staff. like all coaches do.

Stop with the UNCG players stuff. UNCG would have blown out UC last year

Not sure if your reading comprehension is poor or if you're just blinded by your anger at me for criticizing Wes Miller.

When I said "Assistant Head Coach" I was describing his role at UNCG. He coached there for 8 years and that was his title when he left.

When I brought up Indiana I said his last job there was in an adminstrative role, which it was. When he left Indiana he was in adminstrative role. I knew he went there to be an assistant and left in the administration.

The fact you can definitely say that UNCG would have blown UC out last year tells me pretty much everything I need to know. And that is that you're simply not worth the time.

UC beat Furman last season. Guess who Furman beat? UNCG.

 

[waterhead]

I'd take Harvey over McGinnis, or Koval, or Hensley or Newman in a heartbeat.

Former Top 50 recruit, averaged more pt's per minute than Newman's much talked about Sophmore year (pre injury), while shooting 50% from the field and 46% from 3.

That's the whole thing about what you are saying. Miller doesn't want a certain type of player mentality. I don't think Harvey would be a take for Miller on any planet. He doesn't have the intangibles Wes VALUES!

This isn't just about grabbing talent or points. It's also about culture and work and attitude. He's probably passed on a lot of talent so far because they don't fit the philosophy.

So if everyone on the roster is 2 feet in and likes to work and has insatiable desire to win at all cost and likes to dive on the floor etc. Then they are BETTER players for the team and system than some all star prima donna.

Also I doubt Harvey can defend nearly as well as Newman. That is 50% of basketball...defense. So you maybe lose a few points and gain some defense and gain the attitude you are looking for. Now who do you want?

 

[itsamemario]

Not sure if your reading comprehension is poor or if you're just blinded by your anger at me for criticizing Wes Miller.

When I said "Assistant Head Coach" I was describing his role at UNCG. He coached there for 8 years and that was his title when he left.

When I brought up Indiana I said his last job there was in an adminstrative role, which it was. When he left Indiana he was in adminstrative role. I knew he went there to be an assistant and left in the administration.

The fact you can definitely say that UNCG would have blown UC out last year tells me pretty much everything I need to know. And that is that you're simply not worth the time.

UC beat Furman last season. Guess who Furman beat? UNCG.

im just in awe at how stupid you are

 

[itsamemario]

Not sure if your reading comprehension is poor or if you're just blinded by your anger at me for criticizing Wes Miller.

When I said "Assistant Head Coach" I was describing his role at UNCG. He coached there for 8 years and that was his title when he left.

When I brought up Indiana I said his last job there was in an adminstrative role, which it was. When he left Indiana he was in adminstrative role. I knew he went there to be an assistant and left in the administration.

The fact you can definitely say that UNCG would have blown UC out last year tells me pretty much everything I need to know. And that is that you're simply not worth the time.

UC beat Furman last season. Guess who Furman beat? UNCG.

I can play that game too. ECU beat Houston...We beat ECU... Does that mean the two 40 point loses dont matter because we beat the team that beat Houston?

 

[MDW79]

im just in awe at how stupid you are

Says the guy who claims UNCG would, for a fact, blown out UC last year.

It's funny, you're the one who has yet to offer a single, verifiable piece of information. Not a one.

Every one of your posts is either filled with nonsense (UNCG would have crushed UC) or insults (I can't wait to call you a moron, I'm just in awe of how stupid you are).

Do you have anything to offer this site? Any facts or opinions of your own? Anything at all?

I'm guessing that answer is no. You're either 14 years old or you're mouth breathing, Mt. Dew chugging, Big Bang Theory watching moron. (Mods, I'm assuming this ok by the insults that this dude is hurling around here.)