2021-22 Open Thread

[MDW79]

Not sure which poster it was exactly, but I was told that Miler was saving the best for last. Parapharsing, "You can count on it".

We're getting a 5th year "Super Senior" who averaged 5.9 and 6.8 in 27 minutes a game????

That's the big get?

I'm not sure how many times I can say this but the individual signing isn't what concerns me. It's the entire approach, the collective haul and the class. This team has sub (well below) top 60 roster construction written all over it.

I honestly don't know how anyone can pretend to be remotely impressed with this.

 

[sedziobs]

How is an elite rebounder and shot blocker who played 20+ minutes all four seasons in the SEC (including a Kenpom #21 team) not a big get? What players do you consider big gets?

 

[MDW79]

How is an elite rebounder and shot blocker who played 20+ minutes all four seasons in the SEC (including a Kenpom #21 team) not a big get? What players do you consider big gets?

How does an "elite rebounder" only average 6.8 per 27 minutes? David Dejulius averaged 4.5 playing the same minutes from the PG position.

This dude played serious minutes for 4 years and was a 5-7 pt scorer. Never imrpoved his numbers in his entire time there.

I'm supposed to be impressed by this? This is a big get? Gimme a break.

We've now gotten to point where we need to pretend like Wake Forest and Mississipi State's 5th and 6th best players are going to make us a legitimate team. And then add them to a bunch of UNCG transfers and pretend like we're doing good.

This is a joke. Our roster is straight garbage by Cincinnati standards.

 

[sedziobs]

Offensive and defensive rebounds are completely different. Anyone can grab an uncontested defensive rebound. Players with rebounding skill get offensive rebounds. Ado is one of the best in the country at it.

Ado is not a scorer. I don't know why you would judge him on his scoring. Would you also turn down Cisse?

Ado was Miss St's 2nd or 3rd best player (2nd in box +/- and 2nd in BPR). He was #13 in the country in block rate and #40 in offensive rebounding among players with 25+ minutes. And he does it without fouling much (3.3 per 40 minutes). He's an elite interior center.

So please answer my question. What is your list of players that are not jokes?

 

[cincyguy13]

Not sure which poster it was exactly, but I was told that Miler was saving the best for last. Parapharsing, "You can count on it".

We're getting a 5th year "Super Senior" who averaged 5.9 and 6.8 in 27 minutes a game????

That's the big get?

I'm not sure how many times I can say this but the individual signing isn't what concerns me. It's the entire approach, the collective haul and the class. This team has sub (well below) top 60 roster construction written all over it.

I honestly don't know how anyone can pretend to be remotely impressed with this.

I’m not overly excited but the guy is a short term piece. He’s a senior and will be here one year. A lot of people loved micks teams, you telling me this guy isn’t better than or equal to nyser brooks? Same with ody. I’m not saying this roster is incredible, no one is, but I think it can compete in the American. I’ll take that considering we had 4 players a month ago.

I still don’t understand what you expected to happen here. We are coming off the worst year we’ve had in 15 years, most, if not all of the high schoolers are signed. The best transfers want to go win right now, and we haven’t been a destination for college basketball in 20 years. While in the American. You have to build it back up. Doesn’t happen overnight

 

[cincyguy13]

I don’t mind this roster. Maybe I’m optimistic, I usually am. Newman and ody are dropping a league, which is usually a lot easier than moving up a league. There is no reason they can’t average double digits. I think ody could be a star in this league. There just isn’t many big guys that can play. Ado could definitely be productive. He just put up similar numbers to brooks in a similar league to brooks. And people were really mad that brooks left. We already have Davenport and Mikey who can develop in to all league guys. Davenport should have been all league this year. I don’t know much about the UNCG guys but if they can give us anything, that’s a bonus.

We still need some big scorers but we can definitely compete in the league with this roster.

 

[itsamemario]

Says the guy who claims UNCG would, for a fact, blown out UC last year.

It's funny, you're the one who has yet to offer a single, verifiable piece of information. Not a one.

Every one of your posts is either filled with nonsense (UNCG would have crushed UC) or insults (I can't wait to call you a moron, I'm just in awe of how stupid you are).

Do you have anything to offer this site? Any facts or opinions of your own? Anything at all?

I'm guessing that answer is no. You're either 14 years old or you're mouth breathing, Mt. Dew chugging, Big Bang Theory watching moron. (Mods, I'm assuming this ok by the insults that this dude is hurling around here.)

If we are going to talk about what each of us have offered what exactly have you offered again? youve spoken down on every signing because they are from the carolinas (always a hot bed for basketball talent). You have talked down every signing and coach when in fact, you dont know anything about them. You havent done any research for your statements. You looked at a name and went full on negative.

 

[itsamemario]

Bro will y’all please stop it. It’s nothing to argue here. Newman literally committed to UNCG

Do you also call Samari Curtis the former Xavier player?

 

[itsamemario]

What does 75mile radius have do with it? Buddy with Mick, John and now Wes I’ve wanted to hit local recruiting hard. It was actually my #1 requirement for new coach. Fact of matter is Wes has actually did exactly what I wanted just in different state and region. He recruited Carolina hard and I don’t blame him. Going forward I need to see Ohio connections. Darryn Peterson still hasn’t been offered. He’s 9th grader dominating 17u AAU right now, he’s probably already better than McMillan

So Wes has to fill a damn roster for this upcoming season. Has been on the job a month to do so, and you are talking about 8th graders? okay bud

 

[cincyguy13]

Bro will y’all please stop it. It’s nothing to argue here. Newman literally committed to UNCG

We literally had half our roster transfer to mid-major schools like UNCG, from a team, you claimed was a top 15 roster.

 

[cincyguy13]

So Wes has to fill a damn roster for this upcoming season. Has been on the job a month to do so, and you are talking about 8th graders? okay bud

Therealmick is something... I’ll say that

 

[Red_N_Black_Attack]

How does an "elite rebounder" only average 6.8 per 27 minutes? David Dejulius averaged 4.5 playing the same minutes from the PG position.

This dude played serious minutes for 4 years and was a 5-7 pt scorer. Never imrpoved his numbers in his entire time there.

I'm supposed to be impressed by this? This is a big get? Gimme a break.

We've now gotten to point where we need to pretend like Wake Forest and Mississipi State's 5th and 6th best players are going to make us a legitimate team. And then add them to a bunch of UNCG transfers and pretend like we're doing good.

This is a joke. Our roster is straight garbage by Cincinnati standards.

The difference will be coaching. At least give Coach Wes a chance to show what he can do with player development and fit into his system. Also, consider how late in the game we were to legitimately recruiting the portal. You are correct, we have had more talent or at least higher rated players over the past 10-12 years. However, considering the timing, this is a better roster than I thought we could pull together the day Wes was hired. UC was never really a place that recruited McD All-Americans (I think DerMarr was the only one) and we have only had a handfull of 5 star rated guys. This isn't Kentucky or Duke, nor are we willing to pay extra benefits like Memphis 'Zona, Kansas, and other "top tier" programs caught in the FBI wire fraud scandal. I do think this is a much better roster than Brannen had his first two years, and we should finally see the Defensive toughness we have come to expect to go along with a truly uptempo offense. None of our recruits are expected to be first or second team AAC, much less All-Americans and I hope we are surprised by the results Coach Wes and the players deliver.

P.S. I like the fact we are the underdog, overlooked and will be playing with a chip on our shoulders. That is when Cincinnati basketball has produced or over-delivered.

 

[TheRealMick]

So Wes has to fill a damn roster for this upcoming season. Has been on the job a month to do so, and you are talking about 8th graders? okay bud

10th grade now buddy! Would be top 3 in Ohio if he was SR this year. We talking one and done kid with significant ties to city. X was his 1st offer

 

[MDW79]

UC was never really a place that recruited McD All-Americans (I think DerMarr was the only one) and we have only had a handfull of 5 star rated guys. .

Danny Fortson
Damon Flint
Dontonio Wingfield
Keith Legree (Transfer)
Demarr Johnson
Kenny Satterfield
James White (Transfer)
Lance Born Ready Stephenson

This is just off the top of my head but I'm 99% positive these guys were all McDAA's. Not sure if I missed any.

Fwiw, I didn't really expect McDAA's but would have preferred at least 1 or 2 top 75 guys in the portal.

PS You might want to check with itsamemario. I'm just a moron so this list could be all jackd up. I'm sure he knows a lot more than me.

 

[MDW79]

Found this video on Adu on BCJ. Seems like a really likeable guy. I'll be rooting for him.

Not to beat a dead horse but my intention when I've complained is never to rip on these individual players. It may seem that way but I'm directing it more at the coach and the overall approach. I still can't believe how fast he gave those 4 schollys to the UNCG kids. It was like he couldn't even wait to see who else was out there. (Ody and Adu are perfect examples of better talent than them)

This guy definitely fills a need. We need big guys who match up against teams like Houston and Memphis. This kid should be well prepared in playing D and rebounding. My main gripe is not getting a scorer or two and settling on familiarity.

Anyways, here's the vid. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6UOsPi37l8

 

[skyblade]

I don’t mind this roster. Maybe I’m optimistic, I usually am. Newman and ody are dropping a league, which is usually a lot easier than moving up a league. There is no reason they can’t average double digits. I think ody could be a star in this league. There just isn’t many big guys that can play. Ado could definitely be productive. He just put up similar numbers to brooks in a similar league to brooks. And people were really mad that brooks left. We already have Davenport and Mikey who can develop in to all league guys. Davenport should have been all league this year. I don’t know much about the UNCG guys but if they can give us anything, that’s a bonus.

We still need some big scorers but we can definitely compete in the league with this roster.

Yeah, this is much more of a Mick type roster that has you asking where is the offense coming from?

The defense is obvious, Ado, Ody and Newman should all be elite. I expect the guards to bring it as well, if they don't there's plenty of depth on the bench to find someone who does. JD may be our weakest defender who plays regularly and he's still pretty good on defense (plus he should be our best on offense). When you sub in a guy with 300 career blocks (Koval) and the defense gets worse, you're in good shape.

On offense though, there are going to be a lot of question marks. Not a ton of reliable 3-point shooting on the team. Not a ton of scorers. We are going to need guys to step up and take on scoring roles that they haven't in the past. With all the new pieces coming in as well, it may take a while for things to mesh.

 

[skyblade]

Found this video on Adu on BCJ. Seems like a really likeable guy. I'll be rooting for him.

Not to beat a dead horse but my intention when I've complained is never to ri[ on these individual players. It may seem that way but I'm directing it more at the coach and the overall approach. I still can't believe how fast he gave those 4 schollys to the UNCG kids. It was like he couldn't even wait to see who else was out there. (Ody and Adu are perfect examples of better talent than them)

This guy definitely fills a need. We need big guys who match up against teams like Houston and Memphis. This kid should be well prepared in playing D and rebounding. My main grip is not getting a scorer or two and settling on familiarity.

Anyways, here's the vid. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6UOsPi37l8

I know you are incredibly biased, but building culture is an important part of building a winning team. Even if the 3 UNCG guys weren't that good, he knows what he is getting terms of culture.

But let's be honest, if Newman had come straight from Clemson you'd probably be grouping him in the Ody and Ado category. Hensley was higher rated than Eason, he may well end up being the best player we've added long term. Koval is a one year rental, who knows Wes's system and plays the position we most needed help.

So really if you want to question additions, McGinnis is the only place you're going to get traction. Wes knows him though, so let's wait and see what he can do.

 

[cincyalum2014]

I know you are incredibly biased, but building culture is an important part of building a winning team. Even if the 3 UNCG guys weren't that good, he knows what he is getting terms of culture.

But let's be honest, if Newman had come straight from Clemson you'd probably be grouping him in the Ody and Ado category. Hensley was higher rated than Eason, he may well end up being the best player we've added long term. Koval is a one year rental, who knows Wes's system and plays the position we most needed help.

So really if you want to question additions, McGinnis is the only place you're going to get traction. Wes knows him though, so let's wait and see what he can do.

McGinnis is basically another Mason Madson ( who UC fans love) and who wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for Gabe. Remember when everyone thought Mason was just a throw in? and then we saw him play and people were like wow he can really shoot. Perfect example of just lets see how it plays out. McGinnis may suck but if he comes in and starts draining 3's I guarantee the perception of him "being just a UNCG guy" will change.

 

[cincyguy13]

Found this video on Adu on BCJ. Seems like a really likeable guy. I'll be rooting for him.

Not to beat a dead horse but my intention when I've complained is never to rip on these individual players. It may seem that way but I'm directing it more at the coach and the overall approach. I still can't believe how fast he gave those 4 schollys to the UNCG kids. It was like he couldn't even wait to see who else was out there. (Ody and Adu are perfect examples of better talent than them)

This guy definitely fills a need. We need big guys who match up against teams like Houston and Memphis. This kid should be well prepared in playing D and rebounding. My main gripe is not getting a scorer or two and settling on familiarity.

Anyways, here's the vid. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6UOsPi37l8

I hear what you are saying about the UNCG guys, but we needed 8 players. He doesn’t have time to recruit 8 high end players from start to finish. He had to fill out a roster. The positives are 1 is a senior stop gap. 1 is a shooter, those can usually play at any level. One was a 3-4 star recruit that can probably be at least decent if nothing else. It’s not like we can’t afford to give these guys a chance. It also helps some of the new players to learn what the coach wants to do.

 

[MDW79]

1.)I know you are incredibly biased, but building culture is an important part of building a winning team. Even if the 3 UNCG guys weren't that good, he knows what he is getting terms of culture.

2.) But let's be honest, if Newman had come straight from Clemson you'd probably be grouping him in the Ody and Ado category.

3.) Hensley was higher rated than Eason, he may well end up being the best player we've added long term.

4.) Koval is a one year rental, who knows Wes's system and plays the position we most needed help.

5.) So really if you want to question additions, McGinnis is the only place you're going to get traction. Wes knows him though, so let's wait and see what he can do.

1.) I mean, if wanting better players and not wanting to settle on bringing half a team over from UNCG me biased then I guess I'm biased. As far as culture, a lot of coaches are able to be build culture while also securing legitimate talent. It's not an either/or situation.

2.) No, not at all. Ody and Adu fill desperate needs. We had no legitimate post players. I'm not at all impressed by a 3 pt a game JR from Clemson. I'm not not going to pretend like a knee scope is the equivalent of a ACL/MCL tear and explains away his performance as Jr.. I'm also not going to pretend that 9 pts a game as a sophmore while playing 31 minutes a game and shooting 30% from 3 is some incredible feat.

3.) Hensley's ranking is bs. It's from one random service that shows up on his composite score on 247. None of the legitimate scouting sites even ranked him. His offers don't support being top 150 either. And more than anything his play doesn't. How can you be a top 150 player and commit to UNCG and average 1.8 a game?

4.) I think the signings of Ody and Adu show just how little Koval offers. There's a reason he only played 19 minutes a game in the Southern and it wasn't foul trouble.

5.) I question all of them as a whole. You don't get a new job with a 300% increase in pay and bring over 4 guys from the Southern Conference. If you were to do that (you shouldn't) you could at least bring your best players. Instead we got the 5th, 7th, and 9th guys in minutes.