2021-22 Roster

[waterhead]

An extremely weird year. A lot of speculation about how many open spots we will have for recruits. The short answer is a lot. Hopefully it's not too many more than that. Damn near the entire roster has been speculated about.

Some almost sure outs...

Williams
Harvey
Rap

Reason to think...

Vogt
Dou
Gabe (and if Gabe maybe Mason)
DD
Tari
Davenport (because apparently one guy heard something)

Leaving us with the no speculation heard so far crowd...

Mikey
MAW
Lakhin

The max is 9 here with no transfers leaving 4 spots (actually 5 if Vogt doesn't count against). Seems like Dou leaving rumors could make some sense. Who knows on the opt outs Gabe and DD but seems DD likely to come back. I would hope Gabe seeing his twin getting some good run will bring him back.

Tari has questionable body language at times and shows a lot of frustration but I hope he sees the potential at the 4. Listening to JD I would count him in.

Hoping to see at least this

Lakhin
Tari
Davenport
Gabe
Mason
MAW
DD
Mikey

Over-Under at 8 roster spots filled give or take 2?

 

[waterhead]

The crazy thing here is that after only 2 years we could see every single Cronin hold over gone. Keith and Dou are all that is left. I can't see any chance of Williams coming back and the odds for Dou are probably less than 50% (from rumors). That is an insane roster turnover.

Add to that Sorolla, Rap and Harvey also abandoned ship. That will be 11 Cronin players out and 3 Brannen players totaling 1 more than a full roster turnover in 2 years. And that is only if no more Brannen players leave early.

For program sake, CJB sake, and all of our mental health I am hoping the turnover trend stops here.

 

[Queens_NYC]

I'd probably take the push at 8 returnees, but if I'm forced to take a harder stance, I'd probably take the under at 7.

DD
Mikey
JD
Mason
MAW

all seem very likely to return from my perspective

Tari
Lahkin
Gabe

I think one of these 3 will probably end up closer to home next season.

I can't see a good reason for any of the other 5 to return.

 

[skyblade]

I think there is a 75+% one of vogt/diarra return. Definitely not both. Vogt has the same pro prospects as he did last year and he came back last year. If vogt doesn't come back and we don't get an instant impact transfer- which I would bet we don't - diarra would be starter by default and that would probably bring him back.

JD was Harvey's close friend/workout buddy this summer, that's where the rumor comes from. Not that it necessarily means anything.

I give 50+% chance at least one of Eason, Gabe or a surprise transfer leaves.

 

[Queens_NYC]

I think there is a 75+% one of vogt/diarra return. Definitely not both. Vogt has the same pro prospects as he did last year and he came back last year. If vogt doesn't come back and we don't get an instant impact transfer- which I would bet we don't - diarra would be starter by default and that would probably bring him back.

JD was Harvey's close friend/workout buddy this summer, that's where the rumor comes from. Not that it necessarily means anything.

I give 50+% chance at least one of Eason, Gabe or a surprise transfer leaves.

I guess the reason why I wouldn't come back if I were Vogt is because due to his body type/size he's a great injury risk and that he likely isn't looking at a long pro career for that reason alone.

Unless the prospects of earning a living overseas (as an average college basketball player) have completely dwindled due to the pandemic or he has an aversion to leaving the county, it would make sense to try and take advantage of a professional pay day abroad at the earliest opportunity.

He obviously isn't NBA/G-League quality at the moment, so if that's his goal, I guess another year at UC would put him closer to that, but just based on how this year went for him on the court, it's hard for me to see him returning to a team that did not do anything positive for his development this past season.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

I did laugh that you put Rap on the list lol...

I don't see vogt returning, dou returning or harvey returning.

Would really like to see Gabe return and tari stay. I'd be okay if dou returned.

Dd will be back. Which solidifies the pg spot with him and sanders. Maw can fill in there as well.

Harvey was in prime spot to see some minutes, kind of a shame there. We need to find a wing and some bigs.

 

[cincrulz11]

We can still find a serviceable freshman for this class. Brannen didn't get here until April his first year and still brought in MAW, Davenport, and Harvey in that first class. There is still time for this class to be ok.

 

[waterhead]

We can still find a serviceable freshman for this class. Brannen didn't get here until April his first year and still brought in MAW, Davenport, and Harvey in that first class. There is still time for this class to be ok.

That is fair. With the amount of transfers we might even see a few de-commits from HS kids. It's not optimal but Brannen needs to be on his toes here. Figure out what has worked and what hasn't for transfers. I like his evaluation of HS talent so far. Hopefully the roster transition does not hold him back.

 

[cincrulz11]

That is fair. With the amount of transfers we might even see a few de-commits from HS kids. It's not optimal but Brannen needs to be on his toes here. Figure out what has worked and what hasn't for transfers. I like his evaluation of HS talent so far. Hopefully the roster transition does not hold him back.

I'd really like to see us get Bryson Spell. He's not a high recruit by any means but it looks like he just kept getting better and better. 6'9 dead eye shooter thats a true stretch 4. Have Eason watch tape of Obi from last season and lets get it.

 

[cincyguy13]

The crazy thing here is that after only 2 years we could see every single Cronin hold over gone. Keith and Dou are all that is left. I can't see any chance of Williams coming back and the odds for Dou are probably less than 50% (from rumors). That is an insane roster turnover.

Add to that Sorolla, Rap and Harvey also abandoned ship. That will be 11 Cronin players out and 3 Brannen players totaling 1 more than a full roster turnover in 2 years. And that is only if no more Brannen players leave early.

For program sake, CJB sake, and all of our mental health I am hoping the turnover trend stops here.

I’d rather all the cronin guys be gone. I love those guys but the sooner they are gone, the sooner we see if this is going work. If we still have guys he didn’t recruit, he can always fall back on that. Let’s see if this thing works or not.

 

[cincyguy13]

I'd probably take the push at 8 returnees, but if I'm forced to take a harder stance, I'd probably take the under at 7.

DD
Mikey
JD
Mason
MAW

all seem very likely to return from my perspective

Tari
Lahkin
Gabe

I think one of these 3 will probably end up closer to home next season.

I can't see a good reason for any of the other 5 to return.

If I had to guess right now, I would think all 8 of those guys are here next year. Gabe being the wildcard. Tari looks to be invested as of now. Talking about the future, and might be trying to help get that beachump guy next year. That could change at any point though but I would guess all of f those guys right now

 

[cincyguy13]

That is fair. With the amount of transfers we might even see a few de-commits from HS kids. It's not optimal but Brannen needs to be on his toes here. Figure out what has worked and what hasn't for transfers. I like his evaluation of HS talent so far. Hopefully the roster transition does not hold him back.

The fact is we have to get players this spring, so there will be commitments this spring. The worry about early commits is fair but it’s not like we will go into next year with 7-8 players. This spring is going to be wild. We’ve already been linked to some good players. We will see if we get any of them

 

[Loser Mentality]

Would Love to see Keith comeback, and up his worth. Of course it looks like John wants him gone from his sideline gestures when Keith has the ball. Of course Keith's whiny disposition doesn't do him any favors.

If he did stay that would be a win for the program (for a year) just my opinion.

Keith has got some shi- to work on.

Just a thought

 

[sedziobs]

Would Love to see Keith comeback, and up his worth. Of course it looks like John wants him gone from his sideline gestures when Keith has the ball. Of course Keith's whiny disposition doesn't do him any favors.

If he did stay that would be a win for the program (for a year) just my opinion.

Keith has got some shi- to work on.

Just a thought

I agree, Keith needs another year to work on his court vision and shooting.

In the postgame Brannen talked about how ball movement is much quicker with the young guys compared to the upperclassmen, and that's how he wants his team to play. Not much of an endorsement for Keith.

 

[cincrulz11]

I dont think we can really afford another year of 30.1 usage rate with a 94 ORTG out of any player.

 

[cincyguy13]

Would Love to see Keith comeback, and up his worth. Of course it looks like John wants him gone from his sideline gestures when Keith has the ball. Of course Keith's whiny disposition doesn't do him any favors.

If he did stay that would be a win for the program (for a year) just my opinion.

Keith has got some shi- to work on.

Just a thought

I think Keith wants to go. At some point you have to move on from school and make a living. I don’t think Keith has any desire to come back.

Keith could go overseas and make a very good living.

 

[cincyguy13]

If Keith came back, improves a little, best case scenario he sneaks in as a late 2nd pick. He’d be 23. I don’t think there’s any reason for he to return.

 

[sedziobs]

I dont think we can really afford another year of 30.1 usage rate with a 94 ORTG out of any player.

The problem is the usage, not the skills. I'd love to have Keith back in the same role he played last year. I don't think he will come back, but I don't know where he goes from here. He doesn't have any elite skills and he's a poor shooter. That's not a recipe for a pro career.

 

[cincrulz11]

The problem is the usage, not the skills. I'd love to have Keith back in the same role he played last year. I don't think he will come back, but I don't know where he goes from here. He doesn't have any elite skills and he's a poor shooter. That's not a recipe for a pro career.

I agree, but how do you tell a guy to come back for a 5th year, and oh btw, we need to take the ball out of your hands too.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

The problem is the usage, not the skills. I'd love to have Keith back in the same role he played last year. I don't think he will come back, but I don't know where he goes from here. He doesn't have any elite skills and he's a poor shooter. That's not a recipe for a pro career.

He will go overseas and make money. He ain't coming back. No clue why that would even be considered.