2021-22 Roster

[waterhead]

I agree, Keith needs another year to work on his court vision and shooting.

In the postgame Brannen talked about how ball movement is much quicker with the young guys compared to the upperclassmen, and that's how he wants his team to play. Not much of an endorsement for Keith.

I think this year would have been the year to make those improvements considering he tested the market. If it didn't happen this year I am not sure he will see it happen next.

 

[sedziobs]

He will go overseas and make money. He ain't coming back. No clue why that would even be considered.

Overseas leagues that pay well have good players. Kilpatrick right now has a bench role for a team in the Canary Islands, which probably does pay ok being in the top tier Spanish league. Shaq Thomas (a decent comp for Keith) is riding the bench in Finland. I don't know what that pays, but a college scholarship might offer a better living.

It's going to be tough for a guard that can't shoot to break into any decent league. I think he might be better off jump starting his pro career if he learns to shoot first. I don't think it will happen, but that would be the rationale.

 

[cincyguy13]

Overseas leagues that pay well have good players. Kilpatrick right now has a bench role for a team in the Canary Islands, which probably does pay ok being in the top tier Spanish league. Shaq Thomas (a decent comp for Keith) is riding the bench in Finland. I don't know what that pays, but a college scholarship might offer a better living.

It's going to be tough for a guard that can't shoot to break into any decent league. I think he might be better off jump starting his pro career if he learns to shoot first. I don't think it will happen, but that would be the rationale.

Sk is 31 years old. Shaq thomas was never good. Just curious what you think an extra in college is going to do for Keith. He can improve just as much, if not more, making it his job. What’s the best case scenario if he comes back? It’s probably the same result. I’d take him back, just don’t see what it does for him.

 

[sedziobs]

Sk is 31 years old. Shaq thomas was never good. Just curious what you think an extra in college is going to do for Keith. He can improve just as much, if not more, making it his job. What’s the best case scenario if he comes back? It’s probably the same result. I’d take him back, just don’t see what it does for him.

31 would be the end of a player's prime years. SK was one of the best players we've ever had, but just 7 years into his pro career he's already been forced to the bench in Europe. My point is Europe is competitive, it's not as simple as going there and getting paid no matter how good you are.

Shaq wasn't great, but he's doing what he can. I would guess he's making 2-3 thousand a month in his 5th pro year. I hope he's happy there. People can still be happy without big money.

I don't think Keith is much better than Shaq, so I don't think his pro career will amount to much either. But he has a chance to make himself a little more valuable if he wants. Low level pro basketball is a grind with not much reward. I just wonder if some guys might prefer another year working on their game in college before going into that.

 

[sedziobs]

There's a reason players generally don't leave early to go play in Europe. If they're not good enough to land a spot on a top tier team, they aren't going to earn much more than the cost of living. So it's not like they're squandering a year of earning potential by staying in college.

If Keith leaves, he is leaving early. He would be choosing to go pro and forego a scholarship. That's very rare for players that don't have NBA aspirations, unless they want to live in Europe (like Rap).

 

[TheRealMick]

You need pay to get Keith, gabe, and Harvey back. Then add another wing or PG with a couple rim protectors

 

[cincyguy13]

There's a reason players generally don't leave early to go play in Europe. If they're not good enough to land a spot on a top tier team, they aren't going to earn much more than the cost of living. So it's not like they're squandering a year of earning potential by staying in college.

If Keith leaves, he is leaving early. He would be choosing to go pro and forego a scholarship. That's very rare for players that don't have NBA aspirations, unless they want to live in Europe (like Rap).

Completely disagree. There’s zero reason for Keith to come back. He’s good enough to make a good living in Europe or Asia. He’s way better than Shaq Thomas

 

[IDC]

My prediction of who will be back
Lahkin
Eason
Davenport
M Madsen
Adams Woods
Dejulius
Saunders

Questionable
G Madsen - who knows how he's dealing with things. May want to play closer to home
Vogt - I think he should move on, not sure what else there is for him to do here, but when he originally came to UC he was planning to sit one play 2 if I recall

Gone
Harvey
Keith
Diarra

I do worry about Mason, if Gabe does not return, but I think both will be back.

So with 5 open scholarships I think we'll be in good shape if we get a starting 5, backup 4, wing and project guard and leave 1 scholarship open

 

[kskenyon4]

Keith has a limited amount of years to make a living playing basketball, I can't see it being smart for him to spend another 1 in college. I consider him 99.9% gone.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

There's a reason players generally don't leave early to go play in Europe. If they're not good enough to land a spot on a top tier team, they aren't going to earn much more than the cost of living. So it's not like they're squandering a year of earning potential by staying in college.

If Keith leaves, he is leaving early. He would be choosing to go pro and forego a scholarship. That's very rare for players that don't have NBA aspirations, unless they want to live in Europe (like Rap).

Completely disagree. Money to be made by high level d1 guys. His atleticism alone will get him paid. Also. Father time never fails. Get your money and get out

 

[cincyguy13]

Keith has a limited amount of years to make a living playing basketball, I can't see it being smart for him to spend another 1 in college. I consider him 99.9% gone.

I don’t think he has any interest in returning. He already indicated he is gone

 

[cincyguy13]

Vogt might return, I hope not. I think he’d be best to drop a level or see if he could make money somewhere. He could dominate at a lower level. If he was still at nku, he’d be killing it.

 

[sedziobs]

I'm all in favor of guys making money while they can. If it was that easy though, a bunch of players would leave before their senior year and go get paid overseas. Why wouldn't DDJ go right now? Why did Cane Broome stay? (I use them as examples because their size means they have no NBA hopes, but they are good enough to play pro - Broome is playing pro in Canada right now).

I see it like minor league baseball. Nobody goes into the minors to "get paid", even though they do earn a wage. Only the top high school players drafted in early rounds get good signing bonuses and have realistic hopes of developing in the system and reaching the majors. Everybody else goes to college and most stay 4 years because there is no earnings potential for non-roster minor leaguers or indy ball.

If Keith is good enough to get a nice contract where he can accumulate can some wealth, then he should absolutely leave, it's a no-brainer. He should have left last year. I'm not convinced he's good enough for that, especially in Europe where shooting and court awareness are more valued than athleticism. We'll see. I agree that there's almost no chance he returns. I'm sure he's confident in himself. I hope he succeeds.

 

[cincyalum2014]

There's a reason players generally don't leave early to go play in Europe. If they're not good enough to land a spot on a top tier team, they aren't going to earn much more than the cost of living. So it's not like they're squandering a year of earning potential by staying in college.

If Keith leaves, he is leaving early. He would be choosing to go pro and forego a scholarship. That's very rare for players that don't have NBA aspirations, unless they want to live in Europe (like Rap).

A lot of these kids don’t want to be in school, yes you get a scholarship but you also have to go to class and study as well as basketball , your professional clock starts as soon as you enter college and the older you get the less value you have, his skills won’t just magically improve In one year where it will land him in the nba, he is going overseas regardless... from a professional stand point there is no reason for him to come back

 

[itsamemario]

Good career keith. Thank you for what youve done.

But no thanks on keith coming back.

 

[justinhub2003]

I’d rather have Keith then Vogt come back.

But ideally both leave AND are replaced with bettt more productive and efficient players

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Video of lakhin knocking down corner threes on the tweeter machine. Interesting.

 

[justinhub2003]

Video of lakhin knocking down corner threes on the tweeter machine. Interesting.

Lots of videos of Dou and Trevor Moore bustin 3’s in an empty gym too. Hopefully he can make em when the lights go on

 

[Lefty]

Have seen some musings about possible recruits
on a couple of the threads.
Where is this info available ?
I look via cbssports & espn and google which
leads me to Rivals, I think. But I haven’t been
able to find any info.
Thanks !

 

[cincyguy13]

Lots of videos of Dou and Trevor Moore bustin 3’s in an empty gym too. Hopefully he can make em when the lights go on

Very true. I still don’t know if Trevor was an actual good shooter in practice or it was hype. He was a terrible shooter in game.