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from what i have read we have takin uconn spt in acc because of academic gwhichis a big deal 4 acc if i remember right thats y wv was not invited
 
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Way too many people out there quoting "sources" and tweeting lies for anyone to really know what's going on. The clown over at Bearcatlair should be fired, the funny thing is there are actually people stupid enough to pay for that crap. If and when the Bearcats get a new home the story isn't going to be broken by some blogger, message board poster or idiot with a twitter account. The story will be broken and confirmed by a real journalist with actual sources and ties to the program.

It's fun to speculate as to what will happen and go back and forth about what we hope to happen but speculation is all it is. FWIW, I think UC gets into the ACC or Big12 but only after the B1G finishes their expansion. There's a lot of talk about the B1G taking two more ACC teams but I could see them making a huge push for Kansas. Kansas would push their network reach farther west and fits the profile of the other member schools of the league. If this were to happen the focus of everyone's conversation would shift back to the Big12. The point is that the situation is fluid and ever changing. We are in the unfortunate position of relying on the movement of others to ultimately decide our fate. We aren't going to submit an application to the B1G or SEC and have them welcome us with open arms. We're going to have to wait until the dust settles and then attack. The good news is that UC remains a very attractive option once the dust does settle.
 
Yep, to the above. The ACC is essentially in a partnership with ESPN. Should the ACC vote to expand ESPN will know about it first and will report it first. If the rumor you read or heard is not on ESPN.com ignore it.
 
ralph1950 said:
Yep, to the above. The ACC is essentially in a partnership with ESPN. Should the ACC vote to expand ESPN will know about it first and will report it first. If the rumor you read or heard is not on ESPN.com ignore it.
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You started this thread and then violently disagree with yourself. So you are finally admitting you are wrong as usual.

I said it 2 weeks ago. Uconn will go to the acc first
 
UCBearcats said:
Way too many people out there quoting "sources" and tweeting lies for anyone to really know what's going on. The clown over at Bearcatlair should be fired, the funny thing is there are actually people stupid enough to pay for that crap. If and when the Bearcats get a new home the story isn't going to be broken by some blogger, message board poster or idiot with a twitter account. The story will be broken and confirmed by a real journalist with actual sources and ties to the program.

It's fun to speculate as to what will happen and go back and forth about what we hope to happen but speculation is all it is. FWIW, I think UC gets into the ACC or Big12 but only after the B1G finishes their expansion. There's a lot of talk about the B1G taking two more ACC teams but I could see them making a huge push for Kansas. Kansas would push their network reach farther west and fits the profile of the other member schools of the league. If this were to happen the focus of everyone's conversation would shift back to the Big12. The point is that the situation is fluid and ever changing. We are in the unfortunate position of relying on the movement of others to ultimately decide our fate. We aren't going to submit an application to the B1G or SEC and have them welcome us with open arms. We're going to have to wait until the dust settles and then attack. The good news is that UC remains a very attractive option once the dust does settle.
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And if our sports generated more attendance revenue this would not be the case.
 
Can we stop the baby stuff BearcatMick and Ralph. Nobody cares anymore.

As for UC does it make sense for the BE to disolve first and then UC find a new conference, hopefully quickly. I have to think a ton of money is sitting in the BE treasury right now from all of the new teams and old teams leaving. Anyone have a clue if we would still get any of that if we were to leave? What is the exit fee right now? 10mill?
 
bearcat jeff said:
And if our sports generated more attendance revenue this would not be the case.
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This statement could not any more false. People who continue to talk about attendance and facilities as a reason why no one will take us have no clue what they're talking about. The Big 10 just took Maryland and Rutgers, neither school is a beast when is comes to attendance for either of their sports. Maryland has had trouble pulling in more than 15k actual fans to their games this season. Conferences don't make any money off of ticket sales from their member schools. I repeat, they don't make money off of ticket sales from their member schools. One more time, so people understand, if we sell 30k or 50k tickets to a football game the Big East doesn't give a s**t because they don't get paid for it. This whole thing is about money and the money is driven by TV. Not sure how many times this point has to be made before it sinks in with people.

The ACC and the Big 12 will eventually add UC not because they like our practice bubble or because we promise to them that we'll play all our games at PBS (they could care less). We'll get added because they see some value in our market and they're told that adding a major metropolitan market to their network deal makes it more valuable. Add to that the fact that we have several large corporations located here and that fact that we do have competitive sports and highly ranked academic programs and we become an attractive option.

We aren't attractive to the Big 10 because they already have our TV market and OSU doesn't want to share anything with us, we aren't attractive to the SEC because UK already has market share here in Cincinnati. We hold some value to the ACC and Big 12, hopefully it's enough value and the need is there. These conferences aren't going to make a move just to make a move so we have to wait for the need and then sell ourselves as a viable solution.
 
UCBearcats said:
This statement could not any more false. People who continue to talk about attendance and facilities as a reason why no one will take us have no clue what they're talking about. The Big 10 just took Maryland and Rutgers, neither school is a beast when is comes to attendance for either of their sports. Maryland has had trouble pulling in more than 15k actual fans to their games this season. Conferences don't make any money off of ticket sales from their member schools. I repeat, they don't make money off of ticket sales from their member schools. One more time, so people understand, if we sell 30k or 50k tickets to a football game the Big East doesn't give a s**t because they don't get paid for it. This whole thing is about money and the money is driven by TV. Not sure how many times this point has to be made before it sinks in with people.

The ACC and the Big 12 will eventually add UC not because they like our practice bubble or because we promise to them that we'll play all our games at PBS (they could care less). We'll get added because they see some value in our market and they're told that adding a major metropolitan market to their network deal makes it more valuable. Add to that the fact that we have several large corporations located here and that fact that we do have competitive sports and highly ranked academic programs and we become an attractive option.

We aren't attractive to the Big 10 because they already have our TV market and OSU doesn't want to share anything with us, we aren't attractive to the SEC because UK already has market share here in Cincinnati. We hold some value to the ACC and Big 12, hopefully it's enough value and the need is there. These conferences aren't going to make a move just to make a move so we have to wait for the need and then sell ourselves as a viable solution.
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I agree with most of what you are saying but there is something to the attendance thing. You are right that the conferences don't get any money from the ticket sales so in theory, they could care less. Where attendance does matter is when looking at the long term viability of that sport. While it is not imperative that UC sells out a home game (probably more important in keeping a coach and recruiting), the conferences will be looking to see how the school has drawn in the past and recently. Right or wrong, this is an indication of how supportive the local fan base is and that has implications in a television deal.
 
This is becoming CUSA part two. I was in favor of sticking it out as long as possible until the Big East lost it's tie in to the BCS directly. This is the breaking point as far as I am concerned. It's time to get out and get out fast! The football league was never great but the basketball has now been decimated and schools like Tulane only weaken the league.
 
JasonS said:
I agree with most of what you are saying but there is something to the attendance thing. You are right that the conferences don't get any money from the ticket sales so in theory, they could care less. Where attendance does matter is when looking at the long term viability of that sport. While it is not imperative that UC sells out a home game (probably more important in keeping a coach and recruiting), the conferences will be looking to see how the school has drawn in the past and recently. Right or wrong, this is an indication of how supportive the local fan base is and that has implications in a television deal.
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It is certainly a contributing factor in the way that you mentioned above but it is not what is driving this scenario. My post was not an attack at you just at misinformation in general. A lot of people post things about UC not being attractive because of this or that or that we're broke and they don't really have any clue what they're talking about. This conference realignment business has been very exciting to watch develop and it's a ton of fun to speculate about but when you look back at all the prior moves that have been made the majority of them came out of the blue, without warning, and were not moves that people had been speculating about. Who honestly thought 2 weeks ago that Maryland and Rutgers were going to the Big 10? These are not logical times.

The logical thing to do is look at a school and their sports team performance and say they deserve to play against good competition. Or look at geography or facilities and use those are indicators, but past decisions show that these factors are not what drives all of these changes.

The common assumption when Maryland left was that the ACC would just take UConn, I thought the same thing. That still may happen but when you look at it in terms of what's really driving these changes it makes much more sense for the ACC to grab UC or UL than it does UConn. The Big 10 took on Maryland and Rutgers because it allowed them to expand their network and make a lot more money with the additional TV sets. A nice bi-product for the B1G was that they also took away the ACC's stronghold on the coast with their expansion. In turn, the ACC has a chance to expand their market by moving into the Mid-West with either UL or UC. Both schools have attractive TV markets. To your point, UL probably wins the head to head with UC because they have more money pouring into their athletics which gives them more long term stability but academics are are factor too and I think we win that heads up battle with UL. It will be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out.
 
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JasonS said:
I agree with most of what you are saying but there is something to the attendance thing. You are right that the conferences don't get any money from the ticket sales so in theory, they could care less. Where attendance does matter is when looking at the long term viability of that sport. While it is not imperative that UC sells out a home game (probably more important in keeping a coach and recruiting), the conferences will be looking to see how the school has drawn in the past and recently. Right or wrong, this is an indication of how supportive the local fan base is and that has implications in a television deal.
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I agree, attendance and facilities are more pertinent when it comes to recruiting players, retaining coaches, and a fun gameday experience.

From a fan perspective there's a perception factor as well though. When the ACC rumors started flying my first thoughts were if I can afford one trip, as well as talk my wife into it, what would be a cool place to try to catch a game (Basketball or Football)?

While the above might not impact where we land as a conference, they directly impact UC and their cash flow.
 
UCBearcats said:
It is certainly a contributing factor in the way that you mentioned above but it is not what is driving this scenario. My post was not an attack at you just at misinformation in general. A lot of people post things about UC not being attractive because of this or that or that we're broke and they don't really have any clue what they're talking about. This conference realignment business has been very exciting to watch develop and it's a ton of fun to speculate about but when you look back at all the prior moves that have been made the majority of them came out of the blue, without warning, and were not moves that people had been speculating about. Who honestly thought 2 weeks ago that Maryland and Rutgers were going to the Big 10? These are not logical times.

The logical thing to do is look at a school and their sports team performance and say they deserve to play against good competition. Or look at geography or facilities and use those are indicators, but past decisions show that these factors are not what drives all of these changes.

The common assumption when Maryland left was that the ACC would just take UConn, I thought the same thing. That still may happen but when you look at it in terms of what's really driving these changes it makes much more sense for the ACC to grab UC or UL than it does UConn. The Big 10 took on Maryland and Rutgers because it allowed them to expand their network and make a lot more money with the additional TV sets. A nice bi-product for the B1G was that they also took away the ACC's stronghold on the coast with their expansion. In turn, the ACC has a chance to expand their market by moving into the Mid-West with either UL or UC. Both schools have attractive TV markets. To your point, UL probably wins the head to head with UC because they have more money pouring into their athletics which gives them more long term stability but academics are are factor too and I think we win that heads up battle with UL. It will be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out.
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Wasn't taken that way.
 

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