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[BCM]

Honestly, some of this can be self-fulfilling prophecy. The rumor mill winds up, it builds notoriety and publicity. Big-time league officials eventually run across at least some of it "Big 12 considering Cincinnati? We are? Better look into this" and suddenly they're at least talking about it and it's on the drawing board, even if the rumor mill never had any facts to go off of to begin with.

It's a very hopeful, optimistic world I live in.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

The Big 12 are not progressive thinkers. Bowlsby acting like he got caught offguard by not being included in the playoff is proof of that. The Big 12 could do 3 things:

1. They could believe that scheduling tougher opponents is the main issue, not the CCG and stand pat at this time. They could also think that if this year they had OU and Tx in the sopts TCU and Baylor was in they would not be left out, more dollars travelling, bigger fan bases etc...

2. They can appeal to the NCAA to see if they can get a CCG in with 10 teams. Supposedly they are looking into this, this summer.

3. They could expand and add 2-4 teams.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Why is a foregone conclusion that if there were a hypothetical Big 12 CCG then the winner would remain ahead of Ohio State?? What if Ohio State and Florida State both lost their championship games...we would be calling the Big 12 genius because they'd get TWO teams in....UC fans are literally some of the stupidest people in college sports....

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Back on topic...San Diego St is getting blown out at Washington in the second half...43-24.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Why is a foregone conclusion that if there were a hypothetical Big 12 CCG then the winner would remain ahead of Ohio State?? What if Ohio State and Florida State both lost their championship games...we would be calling the Big 12 genius because they'd get TWO teams in....UC fans are literally some of the stupidest people in college sports....

Well but why is it a foregone conclusion that the Big 12 would've had 2 teams in IF Ohio State AND Florida State had lost? First of all, they didn't lose. And second, you don't know that they wouldn't have still taken Florida State or one of the other conference champions depending on how that hypothetical game would've unfolded. Plus, in the future, do you think the Big 12 is always going to be the conference with 2 1-loss teams going into conference championship week? Chances are, other major conferences in the future will just as often have 2 1-loss teams. But imo in the end, the conference championship game is still the best final decision maker. The Big 12 can keep it the way it is, but they better hope they pump out some undefeated teams or get some help by having the other top teams around the country lose multiple times. And...why do you have to call people names? Some people get their information here and everyone is new to this playoff format. Lay off.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Well but why is it a foregone conclusion that the Big 12 would've had 2 teams in IF Ohio State AND Florida State had lost? First of all, they didn't lose. And second, you don't know that they wouldn't have still taken Florida State or one of the other conference champions depending on how that hypothetical game would've unfolded. Plus, in the future, do you think the Big 12 is always going to be the conference with 2 1-loss teams going into conference championship week? Chances are, other major conferences in the future will just as often have 2 1-loss teams. But imo in the end, the conference championship game is still the best final decision maker. The Big 12 can keep it the way it is, but they better hope they pump out some undefeated teams or get some help by having the other top teams around the country lose multiple times. And...why do you have to call people names? Some people get their information here and everyone is new to this playoff format. Lay off.

A championship game makes no sense without expanding and they have no interest in expanding. The Big 12 actually plays a true round robin unlike conferences like the SEC (look at Missouri's schedule)...they are going about it the correct way. It just happened to be that things didn't work out well this year, maybe if this exact same scenario plays out 3-4 more times they'd consider adding a school like Cincinnati....until then the Big 12 is a complete pipe dream...

 

[jbreeds1]

A championship game makes no sense without expanding and they have no interest in expanding. The Big 12 actually plays a true round robin unlike conferences like the SEC (look at Missouri's schedule)...they are going about it the correct way. It just happened to be that things didn't work out well this year, maybe if this exact same scenario plays out 3-4 more times they'd consider adding a school like Cincinnati....until then the Big 12 is a complete pipe dream...

Everyone and their brother knows we need to get out of the AAC. Any time expansion is discussed, the entire University of Cincinnati community is crossing their collective fingers. The truth is, we are arguably one of the most coveted schools left outside of the Power 5. Why can't we atleast hope that this happens? Even just for a little bit. I understand you want to be realistic, but why so negative and dream-stomping?? Just let us have hope... even if it doesn't make sense to you.

 

[BCM]

Everyone and their brother knows we need to get out of the AAC. Any time expansion is discussed, the entire University of Cincinnati community is crossing their collective fingers. The truth is, we are arguably one of the most coveted schools left outside of the Power 5. Why can't we atleast hope that this happens? Even just for a little bit. I understand you want to be realistic, but why so negative and dream-stomping?? Just let us have hope... even if it doesn't make sense to you.

No, hoping it happens makes you a stupidest Cincinnati fan.

 

[LeftyRose]

It would take a perfect storm for UC to move into the Big 12. But, this turn of events could be that perfect storm.

1. The playoff system is new. With both Big 12 teams out, and one team in from the other major conferences, all of which have true conference championship games, the pressure is on the Commissioner to explain why this occurred.

2. As of now, you need 12 teams to hold a conference championship. Which means, Big 12 would need to actually have 12 teams (add two).

3. Bohn and Tuberville both have Big 12 experience. Not sure if their personal connections hurt or help, but they are a factor.

4. Endowment would be about the same as Oklahoma, which is third in conference. Kansas is slightly ahead at two. Texas is way ahead of everyone else.

5. Enrollment would be second to Texas.

6. Renovated stadium and commitment to basketball arena. Co-conference champions this year. Four straight NCAA tourneys.

7. Fertile, untapped recruiting market.

8. Rival/partner for West Virginia.

9. Perhaps the golden jewel: The Committee picked OHIO STATE. Cincinnati is the largest metropolitan region in Ohio.

Bohn and Tuberville need to earn their salaries here. Frankly, I could care less about football; but, if this helps us get into a respectable basketball conference, make it happen.

 

[jbreeds1]

No, hoping it happens makes you a stupidest Cincinnati fan.

Yeah, maybe Bearcat NTS should come up with his own website for all the Bearcat faithful who share his sense of realism. Everyone else on here is pretty stupid anyway.

 

[jds513]

While expansion may or may not be looming after all that happened, it's no secret that UC is doing everything they can to partner with the Big 12. I've spoken with Mike Bohn in a class of mine based on sports analytics, as he was a guest speaker, and for the entire duration of the class, we spoke about the logistics of UC moving to the Big 12. Not just any conference, but specifically the Big 12. This was also two months ago. One of his main points of why UC would be considered was the lack of a conference championship game. UC has been bombarding the Big 12 with calls for a good while now. Maybe it's time they finally listened. With that being said, it's no coincidence that the only conference without a team in the playoff is the conference without a CCG. They're also the only conference with two 11-1 teams or better. The other conferences are taking note, and with the power 5 essentially making their own rules now, other P5 conferences won't allow the Big 12 to have a CCG with only 10 teams. Why would they? They've now seen that they have an advantage over the big 12 because of a CCG. Not expanding is the definition of complacency. If you're not moving forward, you're moving backward. Expansion is bound to take place

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Why is a foregone conclusion that if there were a hypothetical Big 12 CCG then the winner would remain ahead of Ohio State?? What if Ohio State and Florida State both lost their championship games...we would be calling the Big 12 genius because they'd get TWO teams in....UC fans are literally some of the stupidest people in college sports....

hard to ignore the fact that TCU kills it's team and was rated 3rd and falls out of the top 4. The teams that pasted them played in CG. You don't believe that was a consideration.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Look here is bottom line as I see it. UC wants out of AAC. They are not going to sit on their hands waiting for next opportunity to get in a better conference. They are trying to improve their brand and are one of a handful of schools who are in the mix if and when it occurs. Lots of moving parts in college sports these days. Law suits, TV network deals,and others. It is certain the landscape is changing.

 

[UCalum08]

Yeah, maybe Bearcat NTS should come up with his own website for all the Bearcat faithful who share his sense of realism. Everyone else on here is pretty stupid anyway.

Just remember, if UC does get in the Big 12 NTS has openly said he will disappear from this board. That alone gives all stupid Bearcat fans hope and to push for this conference move.

 

[Ryno99]

Ok so don't get me wrong here, I want UC in a power 5 conference, but I'm not so sure we'd all be happy if that conference ends up the Big 12 (10), and here is why, travel would be insane, and not just for Football and Basketball but think about the budget increase the university would need for travel for the track, baseball, softball, tennis, soccer, volleyball teams etc. That's tough to travel that far and then play up to par. One other thing is Texas runs the Big 12, and they don't want anyone else in. Now sure they sucked this year and maybe their power is dwindling, and sure I'm not sure there are any other options for UC right now so maybe this isn't the best move but the only move if the option arises, but I'm just not sure we'd all be thrilled in the long run if this ends up the move for UC.

 

[jds513]

Ok so don't get me wrong here, I want UC in a power 5 conference, but I'm not so sure we'd all be happy if that conference ends up the Big 12 (10), and here is why, travel would be insane, and not just for Football and Basketball but think about the budget increase the university would need for travel for the track, baseball, softball, tennis, soccer, volleyball teams etc. That's tough to travel that far and then play up to par. One other thing is Texas runs the Big 12, and they don't want anyone else in. Now sure they sucked this year and maybe their power is dwindling, and sure I'm not sure there are any other options for UC right now so maybe this isn't the best move but the only move if the option arises, but I'm just not sure we'd all be thrilled in the long run if this ends up the move for UC.

Think about some of the places we are traveling to in the AAC already. Houston, SMU, Tulsa, USF.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Just remember, if UC does get in the Big 12 NTS has openly said he will disappear from this board. That alone gives all stupid Bearcat fans hope and to push for this conference move.

I am not concerned in the least bit, all the buzz you are hearing is simply an overreaction. We will be in the American for at least another 6-8 years...

 

[Ryno99]

Think about some of the places we are traveling to in the AAC already. Houston, SMU, Tulsa, USF.

I understand that but you make the switch, every game is like that other than WVU. Ask them how it's going doing all that travel. I've heard they are not thrilled.

 

[BCM]

As far as travel, again, the difference here is millions. Actual $1,000,000 increments, and the opportunity to play in a bowl with multi-million dollar payouts (Outback Bowl - 2.5M, Military Bowl - 500k). Travel costs and time is utterly meaningless with the dividends being more than made up, and I wish I had the actual contract numbers but someone more qualified than me could probably elaborate on the 1s and 0s.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Ok, so the Big 12 was knocked not only for not having a CCG, but also for a weak non conference slate. Best win was TCU winning at home against Minnesota in September. But can they really afford to beef that up? I just don't think with the round robin style in conference play that they can afford to be taking losses out of conference. I mean KState lost to Auburn, then as soon as they dropped a conference game they were finished. I'd argue that playing weak competition is the only reason the conference even had teams to bring to the table in the first place. And if schools like Texas and Oklahoma State bounce back, good luck getting just 1 (let alone 2) 1-loss team all the way through the season. And this year we saw that even having a 1 loss was too many in the eyes of the committee. They can try to do everything they can to hold off expansion, but imo sooner rather than later they'll have to realize it is inevitable. Notice no one is talking about moving to an 8 team playoff. The NCAA has the leverage to force the Big 12's hand by keeping a 4 team playoff and making a huge deal about conference championship weekend for all the other conferences in the future while the likes of Baylor and TCU are simultameously throttling Texas Tech and Kansas on FS1 and FS2.