It is a fair comparison (although I think Cronin had it tougher than what Crean has been dealt with). But what is happening at IU has no bearing currently on what is happening at UC. Knowlegeable fans know what a difficult situation Cronin came into. After five years if some can't admit it, then they don't understand college basketball, and more importantly, there is nothing that can ever be said to change their mind. There are a few posters on here, and more so still on BCN, who dislike and even hate Mick Cronin but say they support the program. I have a hard time truly understanding this. This isn't because of his X's and O's, but something more personal. To these poeple he can do no right. Whenever he says something they parse it, twist it around, and make it another opportunity to bash. They come out and post endlessly after losses, but are hardly to be found after wins. Pointing out that he is doing better than someone in a comparable situation won't change their mind. The worst thing that can happen for these people is for UC and Mick to have a season like this one. Their worst fear may thus be realized, and he may be here until he retires.
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It is a fair comparison (although I think Cronin had it tougher than what Crean has been dealt with). But what is happening at IU has no bearing currently on what is happening at UC. Knowlegeable fans know what a difficult situation Cronin came into. After five years if some can't admit it, then they don't understand college basketball, and more importantly, there is nothing that can ever be said to change their mind. There are a few posters on here, and more so still on BCN, who dislike and even hate Mick Cronin but say they support the program. I have a hard time truly understanding this. This isn't because of his X's and O's, but something more personal. To these poeple he can do no right. Whenever he says something they parse it, twist it around, and make it another opportunity to bash. They come out and post endlessly after losses, but are hardly to be found after wins. Pointing out that he is doing better than someone in a comparable situation won't change their mind. The worst thing that can happen for these people is for UC and Mick to have a season like this one. Their worst fear may thus be realized, and he may be here until he retires.
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Then there are some who think he can do no wrong. They are unable to realize that there are some glaring flaws that can be seen from year 1... Somethings that have nothing to so with the talent on the floor. These same people will defend him so staunchly, because they know they cannot afford to be wrong. For them Mick can never fail because if he does they have to hear about how great things were under the Huggins era. These people will come up with any reason to extend Mick's contract and make him our lifelong coach. They don't want to admit that maybe Mick can't get the job done.
The truth lies somewhere in between .
I like this Ervins84 guy. He knows his stats and probabilities. It's been too long for me to remember. But I agree with what he is saying and I think his projection of 6.5 more wins is probably pretty close. That puts us somewhere between 10-11 wins. Hopefully we get the half win to go our way
I like the lotto example. If we have a 60% chance...say 6 red balls and 4 blue balls (I hate blue balls)...the chances of a blue ball coming out if we only pick one time are still decent. If we pick 10 times we could still see 4 red balls and 6 blue balls (ouch). If we pick 100 times the chances of blue still at 60% are really really bad...maybe close to 0 IDK. If you picked 1M times the odds of picking blue 60% of the time are astronomically low...probably virtually 0. Unfortunately in college BB we only get to pick once. But if we have 10 games that we are favored by 60% our odds get better again.
I am probably screwing this all up royally for you Ervins84
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Dude, get off your soap box. Most of us like Mick and liked Huggs too. You don't have to choose. Huggs is gone and will never be back. Why can't you see that?
Bearcat_NTS
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It was directed towards Ralph and Anbuc who are blind supporters.
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My point was that he very accurate on a yearly basis. I don't bet so I have no ideal about the Vegas line. Yes, there are varibles, but the knowns allow you predict a probable outcome. Nothing is perfect, and until last season I wasn't real fond of this sort of thing. But over the past two seasons of watching it and the predicted outcomes, I find it a useful predictive tool.
On another note: I just posted on another thread that I won't allow this site to get pulled down by the Huggins/Cronin debate. If you want to revisit that subject for the 15th million time do so over at BCN. Bob Huggins is in his second coaching job since leaving UC and Mick Cronin is the coach here. We're not going there guys.
Wrong. Ralph may be a blind supporter, but I'm not a blind supporter of anyone. I defend Cronin and the players against what I consider personal attacks, but I have been critical after certain losses. I just don't come on here and profess to know more than the coaching staff, because I don't. I also continually defended Huggins when he was here, but was not a blind supporter of his. A blind supporter would be one who has the picture of an ex-coach as his avatar, despite that coach having left 5 years ago and now coaching for a rival school.
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Don't do it at BCN either. We're sick of it as well.
Bearcat_NTS
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Please don't question my fanhood.
Why would putting the picture of a rival coach (one who left the school you root for 5 years ago, one who would take great pleasure in beating the school that you are a current fan of) as your avatar be questioning your fanhood.
Cronin has done a better job than Crean. Period.
While we were not dominant, or even considered "good," we were competitive in the best conference in America.
Last 3 seasons in BE: 8-10, 8-10, 7-11.
IU is absolutely terrible. Look at their record in a weaker conference and tell me Crean has done a better job. Also, they do not pass the eyeball test at all. Not very athletic. Not very skilled. Few big wins at all.
We were on the cusp of an NCAA bid the last 2 years. IU can't even sniff the dump we left at the front door...
While we were not dominant, or even considered "good," we were competitive in the best conference in America.
Last 3 seasons in BE: 8-10, 8-10, 7-11.
IU is absolutely terrible. Look at their record in a weaker conference and tell me Crean has done a better job. Also, they do not pass the eyeball test at all. Not very athletic. Not very skilled. Few big wins at all.
We were on the cusp of an NCAA bid the last 2 years. IU can't even sniff the dump we left at the front door...
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I like our odds from here on out. The St. Johns game scared me but now that it is in the win column, I am confident of our chances. Go Cats.
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I felt the St. Johns game was pivotal too. Hold serve at home and you're 10-8. There are 3 of the 5 road games I think the Bearcats have "a shot" at winning. I also think there are 3 home games they could lose if their mental focus isn't there. All in all they are in really good position. Now they have to take advantage of it.