Ecu Round 2

[waterhead]

With today's win, Tre Scott tied Gary Clark for 2nd most career wins at UC with 105 (Cumberland trails him by 2, with 103 career wins), Steve Logan holds the record with 111.

Tre Scott is also now averaging a double-double, though just barely (he has 250 rebounds in 25 games).

Since the first Memphis game he’s averaging something like 15.5 pts and 12.5 rebounds. He felt he let the team down but since then he’s put himself on more pro radars. Crazy good turn around!

 

[bearcat1518]

Holy Shit you couldn’t be more wrong. All he can do is shoot 3s? Lmao

A defensive liability for sure (as evidenced by Brannen subbing him out in key situations). A 50% FT shooter since the new year (that’s atrocious even for a big man, yet alone a shooting guard). Zero assists in last five games. Too short to rebound. Hardly dives for loose balls or boxes out. Hasn’t hit a non-3 point field goal since the Tulsa game on 1/8.

Please enlighten us as to what we are missing with Jaevin outside of his all or nothing 3 point shooting?

 

[cincrulz11]

A defensive liability for sure (as evidenced by Brannen subbing him out in key situations). A 50% FT shooter since the new year (that’s atrocious even for a big man, yet alone a shooting guard). Zero assists in last five games. Too short to rebound. Hardly dives for loose balls or boxes out. Hasn’t hit a non-3 point field goal since the Tulsa game on 1/8.

Please enlighten us as to what we are missing with Jaevin outside of his all or nothing 3 point shooting?

on a team that turns the ball over at an alarming rate, he has the lowest TORate.

 

[cincyguy13]

on a team that turns the ball over at an alarming rate, he has the lowest TORate.

He just shoots. Hard to turn the ball over if he just shoots. If the shot isn’t there, he passes it right back. He’s a guy you put in to see if he’s hot. If he is, he can change the game. If he isn’t, he doesn’t do much else. Still valuable to have, especially against teams playing zone. It’s why great shooting is valuable. They just have to stand there, and teams have to respect them.

 

[cincyguy13]

It wasn't a great game but you learn a few things in almost any close game like that. Tre has come up big in the last 3 OT games. Keith was put in a closer role once JC went down and he stepped up. Harvey was willing to take a very crucial shot without hesitation and drained it. Woods has been good in the last couple of games. We had to close a game out without our star and we found out we could still get the job done. That stuff will be valuable for those players put in a more significant role.

I’d love to see Keith spend the whole offseason working on his ball-handling. If he could improve it at all he could be an all league player next year. He’s going to have the ball a lot next year.

 

[justinhub2003]

I dunno what the argument is. But every player on this team is needed . Jaevin can literally change a game in the blink of an eye with his shooting.

We didn’t recruit him to defend or rebounder or pass the ball.

He was brought in as a grad transfer from a much lower level because he has one game changing attribute and that’s to shoot the basketball.


If I remember correctly Jaevin hit 3 huge 3’s against Memphis to help us win.

He banged in 3 threes against Wichita state too

He’s an off the bench shooter. And he’s don’t that well

 

[cincrulz11]

I dunno what the argument is. But every player on this team is needed . Jaevin can literally change a game in the blink of an eye with his shooting.

We didn’t recruit him to defend or rebounder or pass the ball.

He was brought in as a grad transfer from a much lower level because he has one game changing attribute and that’s to shoot the basketball.


If I remember correctly Jaevin hit 3 huge 3’s against Memphis to help us win.

He banged in 3 threes against Wichita state too

He’s an off the bench shooter. And he’s don’t that well

i don't really know either, one guy just wanted to bash jaevin.


before last game when he was sick he hit 3 3's vs wichita state, uconn, and memphis. without him we'd be 1-3 in our last 4 games.

 

[cincyguy13]

I dunno what the argument is. But every player on this team is needed . Jaevin can literally change a game in the blink of an eye with his shooting.

We didn’t recruit him to defend or rebounder or pass the ball.

He was brought in as a grad transfer from a much lower level because he has one game changing attribute and that’s to shoot the basketball.


If I remember correctly Jaevin hit 3 huge 3’s against Memphis to help us win.

He banged in 3 threes against Wichita state too

He’s an off the bench shooter. And he’s don’t that well

I didn't think it was an argument. I stated he's a valuable piece but he also doesn't do much more. Which is fine. We need his shooting. I thought that was all the other guy was saying also.

 

[waterhead]

I dunno what the argument is. But every player on this team is needed . Jaevin can literally change a game in the blink of an eye with his shooting.

We didn’t recruit him to defend or rebounder or pass the ball.

He was brought in as a grad transfer from a much lower level because he has one game changing attribute and that’s to shoot the basketball.


If I remember correctly Jaevin hit 3 huge 3’s against Memphis to help us win.

He banged in 3 threes against Wichita state too

He’s an off the bench shooter. And he’s don’t that well

He can be a game changer. Vogt can be a game changer. They are both deficient in many other areas...but they are very good at 1 or 2 things that make them dangerous. Even when JC2 is not shooting (or making 3's) the other team still needs to know exactly where he is on the floor. Even when Vogt is not scoring he is still getting doubled.

 

[waterhead]

I’d love to see Keith spend the whole offseason working on his ball-handling. If he could improve it at all he could be an all league player next year. He’s going to have the ball a lot next year.

I think that would really help him too. Keep working on his shot too. His 3 ball came a long way. He can play in the league with his athleticism. Just needs a little more to add to his game

 

[skyblade]

He can be a game changer. Vogt can be a game changer. They are both deficient in many other areas...but they are very good at 1 or 2 things that make them dangerous. Even when JC2 is not shooting (or making 3's) the other team still needs to know exactly where he is on the floor. Even when Vogt is not scoring he is still getting doubled.

It comes down to the equation of is what they are giving us on offense enough to compensate for their deficiencies at rebounding and defense. With Jaevin the answer tends to be no more often because we have more reliable depth. With Vogt the answer tends to be yes, because though Diarra looks good at times, he lacks consistency - same is true for Davenport if we want to play small ball.

 

[cincrulz11]

He can be a game changer. Vogt can be a game changer. They are both deficient in many other areas...but they are very good at 1 or 2 things that make them dangerous. Even when JC2 is not shooting (or making 3's) the other team still needs to know exactly where he is on the floor. Even when Vogt is not scoring he is still getting doubled.

think about how often you see Jaevin with a wide open 3. its very rarely. mika is open all the time, keith is open all the time. tre is open all the time but he's not a guard.


but they never leave jaevin open. opponents clearly respect his ability to make the 3.


but when they run him off the line he's gotta pass the ball or sidestep and shoot a 3. his mid range pull up game is about the worst i've seen. 7-28 on the season from midrange. yuck.

 

[waterhead]

think about how often you see Jaevin with a wide open 3. its very rarely. mika is open all the time, keith is open all the time. tre is open all the time but he's not a guard.


but they never leave jaevin open. opponents clearly respect his ability to make the 3.


but when they run him off the line he's gotta pass the ball or sidestep and shoot a 3. his mid range pull up game is about the worst i've seen. 7-28 on the season from midrange. yuck.

Exactly! I would take Mika and his last two games. But the 11 games before that he didn't manage to score more than 4 points in any of them. He has to take shots and he is pretty good when going left to the rim. He's open enough to take more shots...he has to do that or we need Jaevin to come in and put some pressure on the D. He will take shots and they won't be as open as the one's Mika could get.

 

[waterhead]

Exactly! I would take Mika and his last two games. But the 11 games before that he didn't manage to score more than 4 points in any of them. He has to take shots and he is pretty good when going left to the rim. He's open enough to take more shots...he has to do that or we need Jaevin to come in and put some pressure on the D. He will take shots and they won't be as open as the one's Mika could get.

Harvey is the same. He shoots very little. I prefer Mika taking more 3's.

 

[BoomBoomRoom]

Agree, teams haven't guarded Mcneal for months. Harvey is way better. You can't play Mcneal.

Agree 100%. Play the young guys.
This is why I wish Logan Johnson had stayed with the program. He's not getting a lot of minutes out west right now.

 

[cincrulz11]

Agree 100%. Play the young guys.
This is why I wish Logan Johnson had stayed with the program. He's not getting a lot of minutes out west right now.

LJ was a complete misfit for this roster.

 

[BoomBoomRoom]

LJ was a complete misfit for this roster.

So you would be playing McNeil in front of Logan Johnson ? Point wasn't was he a fit (thats your point) the point is he's better than what we're seeing from McNeil off the bench.

 

[cincrulz11]

So you would be playing McNeil in front of Logan Johnson ? Point wasn't was he a fit (thats your point) the point is he's better than what we're seeing from McNeil off the bench.

no my point was he is a misfit for this roster.


mcneal is gone after this season. LJ would have been here for 2 more years in a system that isn't a good fit for his style.

 

[cincyguy13]

So you would be playing McNeil in front of Logan Johnson ? Point wasn't was he a fit (thats your point) the point is he's better than what we're seeing from McNeil off the bench.

Before McNeal short circuited, McNeal was probably as good if not better than Logan. The idea of Logan is better than the actual player. At least right now.

 

[cincyguy13]

It comes down to the equation of is what they are giving us on offense enough to compensate for their deficiencies at rebounding and defense. With Jaevin the answer tends to be no more often because we have more reliable depth. With Vogt the answer tends to be yes, because though Diarra looks good at times, he lacks consistency - same is true for Davenport if we want to play small ball.

The problem with diarra is you get good diarra 20% of the time and bad diarra 80% of the time. And of that 80%, half of it is completely unplayable.