Come out swinging. Yes. We need to to try to get up big, and figuratively step on their throats. Have a comfortable lead. Not be satisfied with trading baskets early on. It's a mentality.
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All we can do now (or ever do) is win the games on our schedule. Win as many as you can and let the committee do the seeding. No sense in worrying about it now.
Even if Florida falls out of the top 25 it will still be a column 1 win for our team sheet and the committee. UCLA is going to be the same. They may not be "signature wins"...but they will still count in a big way.
We still need to win this game!!
Even if Florida falls out of the top 25 it will still be a column 1 win for our team sheet and the committee. UCLA is going to be the same. They may not be "signature wins"...but they will still count in a big way.
We still need to win this game!!
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I actually think Florida May make UC less timid.
Who ever loses this game is out of the polls.
Who ever loses this game is out of the polls.
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All we can do now (or ever do) is win the games on our schedule. Win as many as you can and let the committee do the seeding. No sense in worrying about it now.
Even if Florida falls out of the top 25 it will still be a column 1 win for our team sheet and the committee. UCLA is going to be the same. They may not be "signature wins"...but they will still count in a big way.
We still need to win this game!!
I’m more concerned about ucla sucking then florida. Ucla barely beat Wisconsin and barely beat Georgia tech then got whomped by creighton. But Aaron holiday in their building will be tough
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Come out swinging. Yes. We need to to try to get up big, and figuratively step on their throats. Have a comfortable lead. Not be satisfied with trading baskets early on. It's a mentality.
I am unsure if we have that mentality. I am waiting to see the toughness, aggressiveness and attitude from our guys. Really haven't seen it this year. Schedule has been weak which has not challenged our players. IMO, we have looked soft all year. Hope last Saturday was a wake up call.
Some interesting tidbits on what is important to at least one committee member...with team RPI being a starting point. This was obviously before the changes to team sheet columns.
Q: OK, wise guy, answer the original question. What does get considered?
A: It comes down to three questions: Who did you beat? Who beat you? Where did you play them? With that in mind, the things that do matter are:
1. Quality wins. This is typically wins against teams in the top 50 of the RPI, but also wins over anyone selected as at-large quality or under consideration for an at-large spot.
2. Record against better teams. How did a team do vs. the top 25, top 50, top 100 in the RPI?
3. Bad losses. Usually a loss to a team ranked below 100. Obviously, this is a negative. Losses to teams below 200 are especially bad. Teams rarely get at-large bids with more than four bad losses.
4. Strength of schedule, especially non-conference strength of schedule. At least one team gets left out of the tournament almost every year primarily because of a very poor non-conference schedule.
5. Good record away from home. The tournament isn't played on home courts, so the committee wants to see teams perform well away from home.
Q: OK, wise guy, answer the original question. What does get considered?
A: It comes down to three questions: Who did you beat? Who beat you? Where did you play them? With that in mind, the things that do matter are:
1. Quality wins. This is typically wins against teams in the top 50 of the RPI, but also wins over anyone selected as at-large quality or under consideration for an at-large spot.
2. Record against better teams. How did a team do vs. the top 25, top 50, top 100 in the RPI?
3. Bad losses. Usually a loss to a team ranked below 100. Obviously, this is a negative. Losses to teams below 200 are especially bad. Teams rarely get at-large bids with more than four bad losses.
4. Strength of schedule, especially non-conference strength of schedule. At least one team gets left out of the tournament almost every year primarily because of a very poor non-conference schedule.
5. Good record away from home. The tournament isn't played on home courts, so the committee wants to see teams perform well away from home.
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Some interesting tidbits on what is important to at least one committee member...with team RPI being a starting point. This was obviously before the changes to team sheet columns.
Q: OK, wise guy, answer the original question. What does get considered?
A: It comes down to three questions: Who did you beat? Who beat you? Where did you play them? With that in mind, the things that do matter are:
1. Quality wins. This is typically wins against teams in the top 50 of the RPI, but also wins over anyone selected as at-large quality or under consideration for an at-large spot.
2. Record against better teams. How did a team do vs. the top 25, top 50, top 100 in the RPI?
3. Bad losses. Usually a loss to a team ranked below 100. Obviously, this is a negative. Losses to teams below 200 are especially bad. Teams rarely get at-large bids with more than four bad losses.
4. Strength of schedule, especially non-conference strength of schedule. At least one team gets left out of the tournament almost every year primarily because of a very poor non-conference schedule.
5. Good record away from home. The tournament isn't played on home courts, so the committee wants to see teams perform well away from home.
So it basically goes like this...
1. Team RPI to start it off
2. # of quality wins
3. % of quality wins vs games played against them
4. Bad losses
5. SOS...especially OOC
6. Road and neutral wins or %
So it basically goes like this...
1. Team RPI to start it off
2. # of quality wins
3. % of quality wins vs games played against them
4. Bad losses
5. SOS...especially OOC
6. Road and neutral wins or %
Q: What does the committee consider when selecting and seeding teams?
A: It's easier to answer what they don't consider…
1. Having a great coach.
2. What a team has done in the past.
3. The name on the front of the jersey. Or the back.
4. Fan support/potential ticket sales/potential TV ratings. This isn't the bowls.
5. "Friends" on the committee.
6. Number of teams from a conference. If every team from a conference is deserving of selection, they'll all get in.
7. Conference standings. Teams are judged on their entire seasons, not just the conference part. Conference standings are pretty meaningless anyway because of imbalanced schedules in almost every league.
8. Number of wins. It's much more about quality than quantity.
9. How a team finishes. This is a relatively recent change in the committee's thinking. Teams can help or hurt themselves as much in November as they can in March. The games count the same.
10. Sagarin, KenPom, and other ratings. They aren't important on their own.
Q: What does the committee consider when selecting and seeding teams?
A: It's easier to answer what they don't consider…
1. Having a great coach.
2. What a team has done in the past.
3. The name on the front of the jersey. Or the back.
4. Fan support/potential ticket sales/potential TV ratings. This isn't the bowls.
5. "Friends" on the committee.
6. Number of teams from a conference. If every team from a conference is deserving of selection, they'll all get in.
7. Conference standings. Teams are judged on their entire seasons, not just the conference part. Conference standings are pretty meaningless anyway because of imbalanced schedules in almost every league.
8. Number of wins. It's much more about quality than quantity.
9. How a team finishes. This is a relatively recent change in the committee's thinking. Teams can help or hurt themselves as much in November as they can in March. The games count the same.
10. Sagarin, KenPom, and other ratings. They aren't important on their own.
Also of note in the article is that conference tourney wins don't really count unless you win the tourney. Winning the tourney can be a minor factor.
So it basically goes like this...
1. Team RPI to start it off
2. # of quality wins
3. % of quality wins vs games played against them
4. Bad losses
5. SOS...especially OOC
6. Road and neutral wins or %
#5 is the only thing out of our control at this point and one game against X
So it basically goes like this...
1. Team RPI to start it off
2. # of quality wins
3. % of quality wins vs games played against them
4. Bad losses
5. SOS...especially OOC
6. Road and neutral wins or %
1. last year we were #12 I think
2. We had 3 top 50 and 3 more top 100 wins
3. We were 3-7 in top 50 and 3 of 4 in top 100
4. No bad losses
5. SOS non con was 167
6. We won 2 of 5 top 50 games (counting tourney which was on our team sheet) and 1 of 2 top 100. Otherwise perfect.
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The 2 games Florida played in under 70 possessions, they either lost or almost lost to mid majors.
I just hope we dont get arrogant and try to run with them.
They can't score in the half court, and Ill be really frustrated if we let them start running
I just hope we dont get arrogant and try to run with them.
They can't score in the half court, and Ill be really frustrated if we let them start running
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The 2 games Florida played in under 70 possessions, they either lost or almost lost to mid majors.
I just hope we dont get arrogant and try to run with them.
They can't score in the half court, and Ill be really frustrated if we let them start running
We have to execute and make shots. We can't let missed shots bother us. Staying out of transition defense situations is big in any game. But if a team is trying to get up and down we have to get into our matchups much more quickly than in the X game.
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The 2 games Florida played in under 70 possessions, they either lost or almost lost to mid majors.
I just hope we dont get arrogant and try to run with them.
They can't score in the half court, and Ill be really frustrated if we let them start running
Arrogant is a strange word to choose there. Is that what it is if you don't rock fight a perceived good team? I'm not saying we Loyola Marymount them, but we need to take our own chances when they present themselves I think.
The 2 games Florida played in under 70 possessions, they either lost or almost lost to mid majors.
I just hope we dont get arrogant and try to run with them.
They can't score in the half court, and Ill be really frustrated if we let them start running
I don't think Cronin will ever be happy letting any team start running on us. At the same time I think we always want to push pace when we have the opportunity on our end...but most other teams aren't going to be willing to just let that happen either. When the break is not there it sounds like we need to pound the paint against this team. Which also means we will probably need to make some 3's. We have to have a better half court set game plan for when the break is not there. We didn't get that done against X.
If Kyle didn't get a serious message in the last game I'm not sure he will or can. His playing time could be in serious jeopardy. Obviously D is an issue but he also needs to get the ball closer to the block on offense rather than 10 feet out. That means he's going to have to put in the work to establish position. Gary can start from 10 feet out and back a man down and then decide if he is getting doubled or not. Kyle doesn't do that so I think he has to get position on the block to eliminate poor decisions. His shot is hard to block down there.
We also gotta figure out what to do with a guard who can penetrate or we will get exposed again. Maybe we don't switch as much and see if we can block or alter some shots. UCF with Tacko doesn't care if you come in the lane. I think I would have been happier in the X game if we let Goodin take some shots in the lane rather than kicking it out for open 3's. If we let small guards from FLA come into the lane I say let them take some shots...just alter them without fouling too much. I don't like switching and running around chasing the ball too much. We either get out of position for rebounds or we leave a man open for a 3. I would rather take my chances on a small guard making 40% of his shots in the paint than the alternative (40% from 3 and/or second chance rebounds). In the past we have had some shot blockers in the paint and we didn't mind inviting guards into the lane. We can block some shots...maybe not as good as some past UC teams...but we can block some shots.
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Arrogant is a strange word to choose there. Is that what it is if you don't rock fight a perceived good team? I'm not saying we Loyola Marymount them, but we need to take our own chances when they present themselves I think.
For me being Arrogant would be thinking that because a team lost 3 in a row, that you can just play your style of basketball that beat Savannah State and Alabama State instead of following the trend of what got them beat the first 2 times.
I could care less about looking good in this game. I could care less about making it entertaining to watch and playing fast and all that. I want to win. The winning formula is making them execute against a half court defense and punking them in the paint.
Grind this team to a pulp because they aren't built for it. Trying to run up and down with them is how they beat Gonzaga and almost beat Duke.
If this game is in the 80's we lose.
I think one thing is clear. While we are much improved offensively, we are still not an offensive team. We aren't as good at playing fast like Xavier, Duke, Notre Dame, Wichita State, and others. We are 2nd or 3rd tier offensively. So lets take pride on what we know we can be elite at
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For me being Arrogant would be thinking that because a team lost 3 in a row, that you can just play your style of basketball that beat Savannah State and Alabama State instead of following the trend of what got them beat the first 2 times.
I could care less about looking good in this game. I could care less about making it entertaining to watch and playing fast and all that. I want to win. The winning formula is making them execute against a half court defense and punking them in the paint.
Grind this team to a pulp because they aren't built for it. Trying to run up and down with them is how they beat Gonzaga and almost beat Duke.
If this game is in the 80's we lose.
I think one thing is clear. While we are much improved offensively, we are still not an offensive team. We aren't as good at playing fast like Xavier, Duke, Notre Dame, Wichita State, and others. We are 2nd or 3rd tier offensively. So lets take pride on what we know we can be elite at
No one is saying to run up and down like we're playing Savannah St. Just to be clear. I don't even think anyone thinks this should be a game in the 80s.
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You don't stop a team from transition opportunities just by taking the air out of the ball. You can limit possessions and hold the score down, but you have to make shots yourself. We got a rude awakening there against X. We need to get whatever good looks we can, and take them however we can get them. I feel like this game is all about setting up our halfcourt defense, especially if we're playing zone.
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Man, Tom Groeschen for the Enquirer is such a troll . I wish Mick would kick him out or just ignore any questions he has. That last question was he brought, of course he uses Xavier by example. He basically takes subtle jabs at UC on his twitter all season. Its obvious Mick cant stand him. Mick loved to point out Tom basically got a free vacation to the Cayman Islands and he definitely didnt deserve it.