Future teams

[cincyguy13]

We should have at least 3-4 Ohio players on roster at all times.

Local players are great if they are good. I would rather have the best players we can get and that fit the system. I care about winning more than where the player is from. If they are local, it’s a bonus

 

[Profchaos102]

it helps with local tradition. Right now we have zero local pipelines. BTW the 250-400 best players in high school aren't exactly mid major players. Mid major guys play naia or d3. If I'm get project it has to have local ties.

This isn’t football. The Cincinnati area doesn’t exactly pump out top basketball recruits every year. Sure, bring up Hayes, but we aren’t going to recruit every local guy. Our best players have generally been from the basketball hotbeds of the East Coast and South. If you want local, we have had plenty of local guys in the past or guys that currently play on the team. Gates, KJ, Cumberland x 2 and Davenport all come to mind. I’m sure we had more but the names escape me. But recruiting heavily Ohio for basketball seems like a bad idea.

 

[Profchaos102]

It's really Moore I'm looking at. If he improved we wouldn't had need for Jaevin. You can't be scholarship player not producing as senior if not local player.

Also, why would it matter if a player that isn’t producing is local or not? I don’t care if he’s a player from my Cincinnati high school alma mater or a former top recruit from Oak Hills Academy in Virginia. If he is underperforming, it shouldn’t matter where he is from.

 

[Loser Mentality]

I beg to differ about the local recruiting. There is lots of talent in Cincinnati and in Ohio. What turned of local recruits, or should I say parents of local recruits was what happened with Huggins and Yancey Gates non development under Mick.
Before Huggins was fired he probably had one of the best incoming Freshman Classes, which would have been highlighted by OJ Mayo and Bill Walker both Cincinnati products.

After Gates, Mick stayed away from local recruits, and local recruits stayed away from Mick, based on UC's style of play under Mick. That bogged down offensive style was a turn off.

Brannen bringing a Pro Style offense, unlocks the key to the local players again. He may not get them all, but he's headed in the right direction for years to come.

 

[TheRealMick]

I beg to differ about the local recruiting. There is lots of talent in Cincinnati and in Ohio. What turned of local recruits, or should I say parents of local recruits was what happened with Huggins and Yancey Gates non development under Mick.
Before Huggins was fired he probably had one of the best incoming Freshman Classes, which would have been highlighted by OJ Mayo and Bill Walker both Cincinnati products.

After Gates, Mick stayed away from local recruits, and local recruits stayed away from Mick, based on UC's style of play under Mick. That bogged down offensive style was a turn off.

Brannen bringing a Pro Style offense, unlocks the key to the local players again. He may not get them all, but he's headed in the right direction for years to come.

I see u know something. We almost didn't even get Yancy, we paid a STEEP price. Local recruits just didn't like Mick. Dayton and Cincinnati stay with top 200 players. Only need one every year to always have 3-4 on team

 

[TheRealMick]

The kid from Princeton(who skipped college), Hayes, carlik Jones, curtis and jaylen Avery all should've been at UC. Jones was the PG on all Cumberland aau teams growing up all way up till college. He should've at least got offered scholarship this time around. Smh Radford has a PG getting invites to CP3 elite camp.

 

[TheRealMick]

I forgot about Kyle guy another local kid that always wanted UC offer that NEVER came.

Jones/avery
Cumberland/curtis
Guy
Bazley
Hayes

This type teams UC needs going forward and all this guys were local.

 

[Michigancat]

Thanks for thoughts. I forgot how locals avoided Mick and vice versa. His lack of offense showed particularly when the opponent played zone. It seemed like UC players never learned how to attack a zone defense under Mick's tenure. It used to frustrate me to watch games when the opponent went to a zone because all we would do is stand around on offense. If I were a recruit, I wouldn't have wanted to play here in the past because Mick was so one sided in his coaching with mainly emphasizing defense. There just wasn't a balance between offensive and defense. As Loser Mentality points out, hopefully we can attract better recruits now with Brannen's pro style offense.

 

[TheLongHaul]

The kid from Princeton(who skipped college), Hayes, carlik Jones, curtis and jaylen Avery all should've been at UC. Jones was the PG on all Cumberland aau teams growing up all way up till college. He should've at least got offered scholarship this time around. Smh Radford has a PG getting invites to CP3 elite camp.

Bazley was never going to come to UC.

Carlik Jones, Avery...Seriously? Are we building a mid-level MAC program?

Guy was a UC fan and a 5* recruit, but he wasn't local. The talent in Cincinnati has been average, at best.

 

[Queens_NYC]

Some other notable local players who went elsewhere during the Cronin era were Chane Behanan, Semaj Christon, Jordan Sibert, and Bill Edwards.

While grabbing one or two of those guys would've provided a nice boost, I think missing them is just the reality of recruiting in the crossroads of ACC/SEC/Big Ten country. A good proportion of the top local talent will overlook us for a variety of reasons and we just have to fight through it.

 

[Loser Mentality]

Bazley was never going to come to UC.

Carlik Jones, Avery...Seriously? Are we building a mid-level MAC program?

Guy was a UC fan and a 5* recruit, but he wasn't local. The talent in Cincinnati has been average, at best.

Carlik Jones or Walk-ons that play collectively 20 minutes for the entire season? That's why my screen name is "Loser Mentality" We'd go bonkers to see walk-ons get in, instead of a Carlik Jones developing and helping us win.

Here's another one Devin Williams from Withrow. How the hell did he not get offered? Where did he end up? With who? Could Cincinnati used his talent?

Luke Kennard, played with local Cincy AAU team, why not offer him? So what if Duke offered, just show the local players your paying attention sheesh.

 

[cincyguy13]

Carlik Jones or Walk-ons that play collectively 20 minutes for the entire season? That's why my screen name is "Loser Mentality" We'd go bonkers to see walk-ons get in, instead of a Carlik Jones developing and helping us win.

Here's another one Devin Williams from Withrow. How the hell did he not get offered? Where did he end up? With who? Could Cincinnati used his talent?

Luke Kennard, played with local Cincy AAU team, why not offer him? So what if Duke offered, just show the local players your paying attention sheesh.

To be fair Cronin said several times, he tried to get Kennard and he had no interest in coming here. Hard to blame him on that one. I’m sure that was the case with most of the bigger names to come out of the area. Also, let’s be honest, sometimes mick seemed like he would rather find that under the radar project than go after a big name. Different style of recruiting

 

[Loser Mentality]

To be fair Cronin said several times, he tried to get Kennard and he had no interest in coming here. Hard to blame him on that one. I’m sure that was the case with most of the bigger names to come out of the area. Also, let’s be honest, sometimes mick seemed like he would rather find that under the radar project than go after a big name. Different style of recruiting

Ok Kennard is off the board. Carlik Jones and Devin Williams were not big names period. I love UC Basketball, always have and always will, but there would never be a recruit under Cronin that was truly a Big Name, Mick being the biggest and baddest player on his teams.

Reference: Lance Stephenson treatment. Who coaching in their right mind would land a high caliber recruit like Lance "Yeah he had Baggage" and not start him, and Lance was still able get to the league.

Mick isn't a players coach, and trying to strip down 4 and 5 star caliber players, and make them projects again speaks to the level of over control Mick had. That's easier to do with 2 stars and 3 stars.

Look how many guys Mick recruited that averaged 20+ in High School, only to be turned into switching defensive specialist.

I like Mick, he just never adjusted his philosophy to cater to his players strengths.

 

[TheRealMick]

Bazley was never going to come to UC.

Carlik Jones, Avery...Seriously? Are we building a mid-level MAC program?

Guy was a UC fan and a 5* recruit, but he wasn't local. The talent in Cincinnati has been average, at best.

Carlik just got invited to CP3 elite camp(top 20 PG in nation). Avery led nation in ast to TO ratio. I'm taking both over moore. We never use 13 scholarships so we wouldn't need replace nobody else. You wouldn't take neither guy to be your 13th man?

 

[TheRealMick]

Carlik Jones or Walk-ons that play collectively 20 minutes for the entire season? That's why my screen name is "Loser Mentality" We'd go bonkers to see walk-ons get in, instead of a Carlik Jones developing and helping us win.

Here's another one Devin Williams from Withrow. How the hell did he not get offered? Where did he end up? With who? Could Cincinnati used his talent?

Luke Kennard, played with local Cincy AAU team, why not offer him? So what if Duke offered, just show the local players your paying attention sheesh.

Carlik started on that aau team along with Cumberland.

I'm offering every local top 200 or better player that comes along locally. I believe we offered Williams though to be fair.

 

[TheRealMick]

Ok Kennard is off the board. Carlik Jones and Devin Williams were not big names period. I love UC Basketball, always have and always will, but there would never be a recruit under Cronin that was truly a Big Name, Mick being the biggest and baddest player on his teams.

Reference: Lance Stephenson treatment. Who coaching in their right mind would land a high caliber recruit like Lance "Yeah he had Baggage" and not start him, and Lance was still able get to the league.

Mick isn't a players coach, and trying to strip down 4 and 5 star caliber players, and make them projects again speaks to the level of over control Mick had. That's easier to do with 2 stars and 3 stars.

Look how many guys Mick recruited that averaged 20+ in High School, only to be turned into switching defensive specialist.

I like Mick, he just never adjusted his philosophy to cater to his players strengths.

if you really paid attention the Lance situation changed the game for Mick as far as recruiting. He simply played with that squad for Lance couldn't be one and done and it still backfired. Going back to Huggins days all 5* recruits that Mick got left after one or two years. He don't like that at all. He wants guys in his system 23-24 seniors

 

[Loser Mentality]

Carlik started on that aau team along with Cumberland.

I'm offering every local top 200 or better player that comes along locally. I believe we offered Williams though to be fair.

Right! I could be wrong, but through Mick's entire tenure, I don't think he every signed a pure PG.

All 2 Guard converts to only have the "Title" of PG, but not a pure point ever. Mick ran the offense, what other reason was the players looking to the sidelines for instructions.

Look at the disconnect in Mick first year with D. Vaughn. Man did his game change from the previous year vs a year of Cronin.

 

[Loser Mentality]

if you really paid attention the Lance situation changed the game for Mick as far as recruiting. He simply played with that squad for Lance couldn't be one and done and it still backfired. Going back to Huggins days all 5* recruits that Mick got left after one or two years. He don't like that at all. He wants guys in his system 23-24 seniors

And Lance played like he was proving something to Mick, and he wasn't trying to prove that he should be starting either. He came in the best player on the team.

Guys like Van Exel, and E Martin would have been booted off of Mick's teams only because of there strong competitive personalities would have clashed with the "Do as I Say" coaching style.

 

[HarryBosch]

if you really paid attention the Lance situation changed the game for Mick as far as recruiting. He simply played with that squad for Lance couldn't be one and done and it still backfired. Going back to Huggins days all 5* recruits that Mick got left after one or two years. He don't like that at all. He wants guys in his system 23-24 seniors

Huggins 5* recruits that I remember:

Wingfield - 1 year
Flynt - 4 years
Fortson - 3 years
Johnson - 1 year
Satterfield-2 years

Mick's 5* recruits that I remember:

Stephenson - 1 year
Lawrence - ???

Do I have this right and did I forget anyone?

 

[cincyguy13]

Huggins 5* recruits that I remember:

Wingfield - 1 year
Flynt - 4 years
Fortson - 3 years
Johnson - 1 year
Satterfield-2 years

Mick's 5* recruits that I remember:

Stephenson - 1 year
Lawrence - ???

Do I have this right and did I forget anyone?

Steve Logan maybe? Not sure.

It was a different time. The last 5-6 years of Cronin era, all the 5 stars were going to basically 4 schools.

All I want is multiple top 100 guys on the team most years. Maybe 3-4. Seems like Cronin could only do that once. The Gary, Kyle, Jacob, Jarron year