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[AZ BEARCAT]

When Mick took over there were five seniors that had graduated from the previous year's team (Armein Kirkland, James White, Eric Hicks, Chad Moore, Jihad Muhammad) and four or five returning players, of which only two--Devan Downey and Cedric McGowan--were even remotely worth a damn. As far as I can recall, the only one who actually left was Downey--understandably so when you consider that due to mishandling the Huggins firing they missed an entire recruiting cycle and the team was going to be hot garbage no matter what anyone did at that point.

By contrast, Brannen inherited an intact and very talented roster that could have potentially won the AAC next year, and would have been a shoo in to make the tournament. More than half of that team is now gone.

These are not the same thing.

Moving forward Cronin left on his own and we have a new coach that I will support . When we hired Huggins from Akron, many of us did not know what to think. Just give the man a chance

 

[HongKongPhooey]

When Mick took over there were five seniors that had graduated from the previous year's team (Armein Kirkland, James White, Eric Hicks, Chad Moore, Jihad Muhammad) and four or five returning players, of which only two--Devan Downey and Cedric McGowan--were even remotely worth a damn. As far as I can recall, the only one who actually left was Downey--understandably so when you consider that due to mishandling the Huggins firing they missed an entire recruiting cycle and the team was going to be hot garbage no matter what anyone did at that point.

By contrast, Brannen inherited an intact and very talented roster that could have potentially won the AAC next year, and would have been a shoo in to make the tournament. More than half of that team is now gone.

These are not the same thing.

You cats spin it anyway you want Brannen has apparently kept more. Mick was 0 for 2 in keeping players worth a crap and Downey was worth more to a team than fredricks, nsoseme, Brooks, and Johnson combined. We lost almost a full team of crappers of which combined for under fifteen points. UC fans should be rejoicing at any change. The last regime had thirteen years and accomplished very little. Please come back with something better than 9 straight tourney apps, highly overrated feat. I know only a few teams have done it and they all won a game when they got there.

 

[cincrulz11]

What ?



I can stop making everything negative as long as some people on this board stop making it seems like JB is Jesus Christ. I mean if we signed a literally walking talking and breathing turd with arms and legs, people on this board would say... well I trust JB and I think he will be good and then will compare him to Cronin recruits.



I mean people are acting like Davenport is the next Jacob Evans. And Chris Vogt is a towering beast of a man that will save our program.

you're straight trolling. nobody has been saying those things.

 

[cincycpaw]

you're straight trolling. nobody has been saying those things.

Exactly. He makes up weird arguments to just argue for some reason.

 

[JoeRunner89]

What am I missing ,who cares who stays who leaves. When Mick took over the whole team left. Mick must suck he couldn't recruit any of those guys to stay except for the naia transfer. He came from a crap school too. You love Mick who went through same crap. Somehow Brannen has compromised the program. You jumpers need to stay off when the program far exceeds the one Sweet Sixteen appearance in 13 years. You Mick die hards seem to have forgotten the past. I'll take a chance on any coach to get out of the Marvin Lewisesque run of mediocrity we've been dealing with the last 13 years.

Bro love or hate him Bob Huggins is going to the Hall, has been to two elite eights at least since leaving here. Mick was an assistant under that man as well as another hall of famer Ricky patino. Same guy who recruited Melvin Levett, Steve Logan, damarr Johnson, Kenny Satterfield... Among others. Use broader thought you can't judge a season based off postseason results. The man won 65% of his games n LMFAO show Marvin some respect the man coached under Mike brown... N brought the Bengals back to relevance. You type of fans are fans for a reason just emotional, near sighted and in need of ppl to draw it up for you to understand. You probably started watching UC hoops after the Huggins era, and if not shame on you, for your out of touch with reality, and reality is as of right now, Brannen has done a horrible job and is in over his head. Those Memphis recuits are gonna run us out the gym, and those Houston cougars are gonna snack our cookies easy. Rebuild in the AAC is asking for a ten year decline thank you Mike bohn

 

[JoeRunner89]

This x 100! Thank you!!

Lol and you agreed with that post? Who are you ppl?.. Xavier trolls? One would think so

 

[JoeRunner89]

Huge difference between being strong and tough.

Rehfedt will make him strong but no one can make him tough

Word

 

[JoeRunner89]

Cronin sucked at developing players his best players were the same guys as freshman and Juniors and Seniors. Their numbers went up because their minutes went up. Marginal improvements in efficient at best, with many actually decreasing. Brannen took over a team that wasn't a full member of d1 until his second year and made nit once NCAA twice won conference twice and conference tourney twice in the first three years of his school being a full member of d1. He coached a player to a top 50 per last year, the guy Vogt backed up, no Bearcat had a top 100 per. He has essentially accomplished in three years what Mick did in thirteen years at a much more difficult place to do it. You should sign up for bruintalk with the rest of the jumpers.

And sucked at developing players really? Cumberland improved, Sean Kilpatrick, Justin Jackson had a hell of a senior yr, Brooks was improving, Gary Clark made the league, Jacob Evans made the league, Justin Jenifer had a very solid senior yr. Loved Rashad Bishop, even Troy cuapain out work in from where he was recuirted the guys at least in the league... Once again not saying Cronin is some savant but he was honestly looking like a defensive mark few more recently

 

[JoeRunner89]

Moving forward Cronin left on his own and we have a new coach that I will support . When we hired Huggins from Akron, many of us did not know what to think. Just give the man a chance

And pls pls stop comparing these hires. Just on the surface Huggins and Cronin at least had personality and an attitude which is possibly why the could get some kind of toughness and talent in here. So far I can see this brannnen guy is boring, tall and awkward looking no patino our Calapari swag, guess we gotta wait and see if there is any coach K genius and grit but if he had any ounce of great coach potential I wouldn't think we would be looking at a NKU coaching staff and such roster depletion

 

[AZ BEARCAT]

And pls pls stop comparing these hires. Just on the surface Huggins and Cronin at least had personality and an attitude which is possibly why the could get some kind of toughness and talent in here. So far I can see this brannnen guy is boring, tall and awkward looking no patino our Calapari swag, guess we gotta wait and see if there is any coach K genius and grit but if he had any ounce of great coach potential I wouldn't think we would be looking at a NKU coaching staff and such roster depletion

never compared any of our past coaches with anyone. This guy is the coach now, know nothing about him. I will give him a chance to see what he can do. But with Penny coaching in this league moving forward do not think anyone has a chance to out coach him.

 

[TheRealMick]

Honestly after Penny and Zach Randolph, NVE might be next biggest name in Memphis. He's the guy Penny couldn't beat. That Tenn pipeline loaded right now and NVE would've been able go in there recruit immediately. I was all in on Brennen from start. The Curtis situation wasn't good look with new coach. NCAA coach within 75miles of a top 150 player, the best in that 75 mile radius and you don't offer show me type recruits you looking at.

 

[waterhead]

I don't think Brannen has done an amazing job so far but he's not exactly in a fun position to easily land high end recruits (at the moment). He has to keep at least one spot open for Cumberland if he comes back. And then he may have to keep 2 spots open (Cumberland) or maybe even 3 (Bolton) for other pieces to fall. Building a team that includes Cumberland will be completely different than building a team that does not. If JC doesn't come back we likely are not getting Jaevin. The targets could change dramatically.

Getting some bench depth can be done in either scenario and it looks like that is the route he has gone so far.

Can we just wait until end of month to see which route he has to take before we proclaim recruiting victories or losses? So far he has chosen two kids he has had a past relationship with...and in a worst case he probably feels they can help in a pinch. Best case he feels they can produce with further coaching.

He is not even sure yet exactly what he is going to need because of Cumberland's looming decision. I think at best he could maybe sign one more guy before that official announcement. But at this point I am not sure waiting on the announcement is going to mean we lose out on a bunch of other recruits. Patience!

 

[cincyalum2014]

I don't think Brannen has done an amazing job so far but he's not exactly in a fun position to easily land high end recruits (at the moment). He has to keep at least one spot open for Cumberland if he comes back. And then he may have to keep 2 spots open (Cumberland) or maybe even 3 (Bolton) for other pieces to fall. Building a team that includes Cumberland will be completely different than building a team that does not. If JC doesn't come back we likely are not getting Jaevin. The targets could change dramatically.

Getting some bench depth can be done in either scenario and it looks like that is the route he has gone so far.

Can we just wait until end of month to see which route he has to take before we proclaim recruiting victories or losses? So far he has chosen two kids he has had a past relationship with...and in a worst case he probably feels they can help in a pinch. Best case he feels they can produce with further coaching.

He is not even sure yet exactly what he is going to need because of Cumberland's looming decision. I think at best he could maybe sign one more guy before that official announcement. But at this point I am not sure waiting on the announcement is going to mean we lose out on a bunch of other recruits. Patience!

I believe the last day to make your decision to come back is May 29th. So in about 9 more days... maybe less we will have more clarity on what next season may look like. Perhaps Bolton is waiting to see what Jarron does (tho I doubt it) but if we could get Jarron and Jaevin I think they will be a 20+ win team. If they don't who the hell knows.

Also 2019 Tujautae William's was on campus recently, so he still may be an option. Not sure anyones thoughts on him.

 

[justinhub2003]

It’s hard to be patient when your watching a team you love seemingly go down a path of mid major irrelevance.

Once the game start, I’m all in.

Go back and read my history in the off-season a few years ago on BCJ. I was the one saying mick needed to try harder with bigger names recruits and that we seemed to give up as soon as big names got involved.

Mick is gone. But just because he is doesn’t mean I have to all the sudden jump on board and fully trust John Brannen with the future of the program I care about and spend my money on.

I mean, it seems like the entirety of UCLA is united behind mick. He just held a 22 min press availability where their board says he knocked it out of the park. Meanwhile, we haven’t heard from John since the day he was hired.

He needs to do a media event and talk about the workouts, the players and the direction of the program.

Silence and defections aren’t going to win over a fan base who just lost a coach who won 89 games in. 3 years


He’s been radio silent. I thought people critiqued mick for that

 

[justinhub2003]

I believe the last day to make your decision to come back is May 29th. So in about 9 more days... maybe less we will have more clarity on what next season may look like. Perhaps Bolton is waiting to see what Jarron does (tho I doubt it) but if we could get Jarron and Jaevin I think they will be a 20+ win team. If they don't who the hell knows.

Also 2019 Tujautae William's will be coming to campus for a visit, not sure everyone's thoughts on him

Brendel has some info on him on BCJ if your a member. I won’t say anything buts on the board now

 

[waterhead]

I believe the last day to make your decision to come back is May 29th. So in about 9 more days... maybe less we will have more clarity on what next season may look like. Perhaps Bolton is waiting to see what Jarron does (tho I doubt it) but if we could get Jarron and Jaevin I think they will be a 20+ win team. If they don't who the hell knows.

Also 2019 Tujautae William's was on campus recently, so he still may be an option. Not sure anyones thoughts on him.

I think the Bolton decision may depend on a waiver although I would probably take him either way. We may be in wait and see mode on Williams too. If Jarron is back...then maybe we don't need him (as much) or maybe we need someone else like a grad transfer to help out one year. If Jarron isn't back...then maybe we do need him for future seasons.

 

[waterhead]

It’s hard to be patient when your watching a team you love seemingly go down a path of mid major irrelevance.

Well we are still heavily tied to two Cumberlands and a Bolton...among others. I don't think it's just a coincidence that Brannen started by landing the lower tier guys who had the best chance of coming. If you start by landing higher caliber kids...it probably makes it tougher to land the bench depth and longer term projects. Why would they still want to come if you have already "recruited over" them?

I like the idea of filling out bench depth first and then get your higher caliber guys. Cronin often went with a couple of open spots on the roster because positions were seemingly filled. If you want to get to 12 and 13 roster spots filled you have to find some guys like Vogt and Nsoseme or Hardnett and Davenport. You have to hope they can provide some value down the road.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Well we are still heavily tied to two Cumberlands and a Bolton...among others. I don't think it's just a coincidence that Brannen started by landing the lower tier guys who had the best chance of coming. If you start by landing higher caliber kids...it probably makes it tougher to land the bench depth and longer term projects. Why would they still want to come if you have already "recruited over" them?

I like the idea of filling out bench depth first and then get your higher caliber guys. Cronin often went with a couple of open spots on the roster because positions were seemingly filled. If you want to get to 12 and 13 roster spots filled you have to find some guys like Vogt and Nsoseme or Hardnett and Davenport. You have to hope they can provide some value down the road.

Id guess davenport is better than above mentioned

 

[waterhead]

Well we are still heavily tied to two Cumberlands and a Bolton...among others. I don't think it's just a coincidence that Brannen started by landing the lower tier guys who had the best chance of coming. If you start by landing higher caliber kids...it probably makes it tougher to land the bench depth and longer term projects. Why would they still want to come if you have already "recruited over" them?

I like the idea of filling out bench depth first and then get your higher caliber guys. Cronin often went with a couple of open spots on the roster because positions were seemingly filled. If you want to get to 12 and 13 roster spots filled you have to find some guys like Vogt and Nsoseme or Hardnett and Davenport. You have to hope they can provide some value down the road.

Reading between the lines on Cumberland. He could have (if he wanted to) already announced he was leaving UC either way whether it be NBA or over seas. But he did not. He also did not get the combine invite. We also seem to be hearing the other Cumberland could be waiting on the final verdict.

I would think someone knows the answer even if final deliberations are still going on. If there is a good chance for Cumberland leaving maybe you opt in on a guy like Todd or Williams because you are in rebuild mode and you need some bodies and talent and you don't want to replace them ALL in 2020. But we have not landed either of them.

If there were not a reasonable chance for JC coming back you are likely treating this scenario in a much different way. I would almost have to lean 60-40 right now for JC coming back. If it were a foregone conclusion...I think we may have seen a little more action by now. I would hope the coach has the inside track or at least a good feel for it. He can talk to other players if Cumberland is being silent. Some other players have to have a good idea by now.

 

[justinhub2003]

I just renewed my season tickets. It all worth if I get to watch Jarron Cumberland kick the AAC’s Ass again.


If he returns then I feel all good in the hood.