Houston: Round 2: The Battle for Everything

[Bcatfollower]

Dumb post.


Mick did us no favors whiffing on a ton of players... This roster is depleted.

Brannen did us no favors not locking nysier down. Thats come full circle.

All his posts are dumb. And you’re right... Cronin recruited poorly a the last couple years. A coach coming in late putting together a patchwork team is difficult to have high expectations for. However, there have been bad moments but we’ve been playing at the top of the league most of the season.

Justin just wants to be a told ya so guy... but lives in the glory days of one or two conference tourney or season champs in 12 years and 1 time past the first weekend in the ncaa. Or maybe he loved that time mick tried to fight macura, he sure was a class act.

 

[cincyguy13]

I say we rest the whole team and play the managers walk ons


It’s all about a conference tourney that I have zero confidence we should win. But let’s go for it.

Are you 5 years old? You act like a child.
Let’s keep running jarron in to the ground when it’s obvious he hasn’t been the same in a month. But your right, it’s probably the system.

 

[skyblade]

Dumb post.


Mick did us no favors whiffing on a ton of players... This roster is depleted.

Brannen did us no favors not locking nysier down. Thats come full circle.

I haven't accepted blaming Cronin for our problems thus far and I still am not going to.

Not long ago, many - including you, I believe - claimed we were better off with Vogt anyway. Right now I'd trade Vogt for Nsoseme and think we got the better end of the deal.

Brannen wants the big nonathletic center who can't defend or rebound, he recruited Vogt and Sorolla and he has targeted a few similar types for next year.

Brannen failed to retain (or forced out) guys such as Nsoseme and Hardnett.

Brannen recruited over half of our current roster.

Guys such as Nsoseme, LoJo and Hardnett were all guys many fans claimed didn't fit Brannen style anyway. Brannen wants scorers, not guys who main skill is defense and rebounding.

The biggest thing I see is lack of effort and focus. Cronin coached teams might have a few games per year where they came out and didn't bring effort and focus. Under Brannen it is becoming a everyday thing. Houston had 22 offensive rebounds (based on my quick research, we've had only one other game since 2010 where we gave up 22+ offensive rebounds - 22 to Memphis in the 15-16 season).

Lack of effort comes from the way you coach and the types of players you choose to play and recruit. Our last two coaches did not accept lack of effort, Brannen does.

I see us as a NIT team, it's hard to see us turning it around. The team we've seen is the team we are, it's a team that is soft, a team that doesn't prioritize defense or rebounding. When you rely of offense to win you games, you have to be very good on offense and we aren't.

Maybe we can turn it around and win 4 straight games. I will keep watching and hoping. But the team I'm seeing on the court doesn't give much reason for belief.

 

[skyblade]

Mick has a team of almost entirely freshmen and sophomores currently tied for first in the PAC-12 with 1 game to play and on the verge of an NCAA tournament berth.

A team that finished 7th in the PAC-12 last year and lost it's 3 best players and was picked to finished 8th in the PAC-12 this year.

Go tell UCLA fans you can't coach effort. I'm sure that will give them a good laugh.

 

[bearcat1518]

Houston guarded the life outta Jarron.

When they do that some one else has to step up

Keith, Vogt, Jaevin & the entire bench failed us.

I mean I didn’t see very many clean looks for Jarron.

I didn’t see many clean looks for Caleb Mills...but man that freshman could create some offense! He’s gonna be great!

 

[cincyguy13]

I haven't accepted blaming Cronin for our problems thus far and I still am not going to.

Not long ago, many - including you, I believe - claimed we were better off with Vogt anyway. Right now I'd trade Vogt for Nsoseme and think we got the better end of the deal.

Brannen wants the big nonathletic center who can't defend or rebound, he recruited Vogt and Sorolla and he has targeted a few similar types for next year.

Brannen failed to retain (or forced out) guys such as Nsoseme and Hardnett.

Brannen recruited over half of our current roster.

Guys such as Nsoseme, LoJo and Hardnett were all guys many fans claimed didn't fit Brannen style anyway. Brannen wants scorers, not guys who main skill is defense and rebounding.

The biggest thing I see is lack of effort. Cronin coached teams might have a few games per year where they came out and didn't bring effort and focus. Under Brannen it is becoming a everyday thing. Houston had 22 offensive rebounds (based on my quick research, we've had only one other game since 2010 where we gave up 22+ offensive rebounds (22 to Memphis in the 15-16 season).

Lack of effort comes from the way you coach and the types of players you choose to play and recruit. Our last two coaches did not accept lack of effort, Brannen does.

I see us as a NIT team, it's hard to see us turning it around. The team we've seen is the team we are, it's a team that is soft, a team that doesn't prioritize defense or rebounding. When you rely of offense to win you games, you have to be very good on offense and we aren't.

Maybe we can turn it around and win 4 straight game. I will keep watching and hoping. But the team I'm seeing on the court doesn't give much reason for belief.

Disagree with so much of this post.

First, Nsoseme, Lojo, and Hardnett have done nothing this year. While Vogt has been terrible lately, he's still had a better year than all these guys, and by a large margin.

Brannen had to recruit his team in May and June. If you remember, a lot of the guys, and the coach had to wait for Jarron to make his decision. This leaves you with not many options. Something that you always fail to mention when you talk about Brannen recruiting half the team.

Every coach in America would trade Hardnett for a top 50 recruit. Every one of them.

I've never heard Brannen say he perfers a non athletic center. If you can find that someone, I'd love to see it. I think he just prefers a center with some skills. I would bet money, and a lot of it, he would prefer that guy to be athletic. This seems to be a misconception you always go to. He just got a very athletic 4.

 

[cincyalum2014]

Last year teams sold out even more on jarron and it didn’t matter.

Jarron has had his share of open shots and he just wasn’t hitting them, he hasn’t been hitting those jumpers all year

 

[cincyguy13]

Mick has a team of almost entirely freshmen and sophomores currently tied for first in the PAC-12 with 1 game to play and on the verge of an NCAA tournament berth.

A team that finished 7th in the PAC-12 last year and lost it's 3 best players and was picked to finished 8th in the PAC-12 this year.

Go tell UCLA fans you can't coach effort. I'm sure that will give them a good laugh.

They have 8 4-stars. I think Mick has done a great job out there, but that team has more talent than any team we have had in 20 years.

 

[cincyguy13]

I haven't accepted blaming Cronin for our problems thus far and I still am not going to.

Not long ago, many - including you, I believe - claimed we were better off with Vogt anyway. Right now I'd trade Vogt for Nsoseme and think we got the better end of the deal.

Brannen wants the big nonathletic center who can't defend or rebound, he recruited Vogt and Sorolla and he has targeted a few similar types for next year.

Brannen failed to retain (or forced out) guys such as Nsoseme and Hardnett.

Brannen recruited over half of our current roster.

Guys such as Nsoseme, LoJo and Hardnett were all guys many fans claimed didn't fit Brannen style anyway. Brannen wants scorers, not guys who main skill is defense and rebounding.

The biggest thing I see is lack of effort and focus. Cronin coached teams might have a few games per year where they came out and didn't bring effort and focus. Under Brannen it is becoming a everyday thing. Houston had 22 offensive rebounds (based on my quick research, we've had only one other game since 2010 where we gave up 22+ offensive rebounds - 22 to Memphis in the 15-16 season).

Lack of effort comes from the way you coach and the types of players you choose to play and recruit. Our last two coaches did not accept lack of effort, Brannen does.

I see us as a NIT team, it's hard to see us turning it around. The team we've seen is the team we are, it's a team that is soft, a team that doesn't prioritize defense or rebounding. When you rely of offense to win you games, you have to be very good on offense and we aren't.

Maybe we can turn it around and win 4 straight games. I will keep watching and hoping. But the team I'm seeing on the court doesn't give much reason for belief.

The effort thing, I actual do agree with, to a certain extend. The problem with that is, why is Tre out there giving effort? I also think Vogt is giving effort. Diarra is giving effort, they just aren't good. I think effort could be better, but I doubt Brannen is not teaching effort.

 

[Bcatfollower]

The effort thing, I actual do agree with, to a certain extend. The problem with that is, why is Tre out there giving effort? I also think Vogt is giving effort. Diarra is giving effort, they just aren't good. I think effort could be better, but I doubt Brannen is not teaching effort.

And he isn’t in a place to yank guys based on effort; he has said as much in his post games.

A few guys on here are hurt by the loss of mediocre mick and will pick out anything no matter how irrational.

 

[UCats329]

They have 8 4-stars. I think Mick has done a great job out there, but that team has more talent than any team we have had in 20 years.

That team is all freshman and sophomores, it's basically the same team that went 16-17 and finished 7th in the Pac 12 last year--minus its three best players--and they looked absolutely dead in the water in December.

All of the things that have made them a good team--solid defense, rebounding, hustle, valuing the ball and not turning it over--are things that you COACH. They are things that Cronin coaches, and they are things that Brannen does NOT apparently coach.

A good team gets BETTER as the year goes on. It's the same shit beating UC that was beating them in November: inexplicable turnovers, missed defensive assignments, not rebounding the ball (especially on defense) or getting after loose balls, and missing an ungodly number of free throws.

Brannen has shown he's absolutely incapable of lighting a fire under these guys' asses. They're just going through the motions at this point. I said it at the time and I'll reiterate--Brannen was a shitty hire, his "system" isn't going to work in a league where they play actual defense, and he'll be gone in 3 years after he fails to make the tournament.

 

[Bcatfollower]

That team is all freshman and sophomores, it's basically the same team that went 16-17 and finished 7th in the Pac 12 last year, and they looked absolutely dead in the water in December.

All of the things that have made them a good team--solid defense, rebounding, hustle--are things that you COACH. They are things that Cronin coaches, and they are things that Brannen does NOT apparently coach.

Brannen has shown he's absolutely incapable of lighting a fire under these guys' asses. They're just going through the motions at this point. I said it at the time and I'll reiterate--Brannen was a shitty hire, his "system" isn't going to work in a league where they play actual defense, and he'll be gone in 3 years.

Lol. If mick was amazing why the lack of success in March? Why did we lose to the same teams, have bad losses, etc? Why did x own him? His coaching effort amounted to one conference win and a what? One or two conference tourney championships? In 12 years

 

[Lefty]

Blind

Guess I’m blind as well. I definetly thought I saw defender hit Tre elbow

 

[Bcatfollower]

Guess I’m blind as well. I definetly thought I saw defender hit Tre elbow

Biased. Game was called both ways

 

[cincyguy13]

That team is all freshman and sophomores, it's basically the same team that went 16-17 and finished 7th in the Pac 12 last year--minus its three best players--and they looked absolutely dead in the water in December.

All of the things that have made them a good team--solid defense, rebounding, hustle--are things that you COACH. They are things that Cronin coaches, and they are things that Brannen does NOT apparently coach.

Brannen has shown he's absolutely incapable of lighting a fire under these guys' asses. They're just going through the motions at this point. I said it at the time and I'll reiterate--Brannen was a shitty hire, his "system" isn't going to work in a league where they play actual defense, and he'll be gone in 3 years.

So you were out before it started? Great rational discussion. I'm fine if you didn't like the hire but to not give the guy a chance is dumb. What were NKU's defensive metrics? The guy made NKU a great mid-major program in 3 years. NKU!!!! I'm pretty sure he knows something about basketball.

 

[UCats329]

Lol. If mick was amazing why the lack of success in March? Why did we lose to the same teams, have bad losses, etc? Why did x own him? His coaching effort amounted to one conference win and a what? One or two conference tourney championships? In 12 years

Brannen has lost to Colgate, Tulane, UCF, Bowling Green (and almost lost to Valparaiso, ECU, Illinois State) in the course of one season with most of the same team that Cronin won 28 games with last year, and you're sitting here knocking Mick Cronin for never winning the Big East and not winning a couple more games in a crapshoot single elimination tournament where UC was consistently screwed on seeding and given shitty draws (think Kentucky in Lexington in '15, National Champion UConn in '11, UCLA in Sacramento in '17, grossly under-seeded Creighton and Harvard teams in '13 and '14, etc.)

Brannen has beaten one ranked team in his career (Tennessee, who was ranked at the time but isn't even om the bubble to make the tournament) and Mick Cronin is about to make the NCAA tournament in his first season in the Pac 12 with a bunch of freshmen and sophomores. Myopic UC fans are getting what they wished for.

 

[skyblade]

And he isn’t in a place to yank guys based on effort; he has said as much in his post games.

A few guys on here are hurt by the loss of mediocre mick and will pick out anything no matter how irrational.

The two seniors on UCLA are 9th and 10th in minutes played in conference. Mick could have easily said he wasn't "in a place" to yank guys based on effort. Instead, he benched his senior starter (who started every game last year) and put a freshman in his place.

Brannen talks about defense and rebounding first, then starts the worst defensive and rebounding center UC has started in the last 20+ years.

He also puts up with lack of effort, intensity and rebounding from a number of the guards and forwards.

Let's hope you guys are right and once he gets his guys in here, things will improve. But it's hard to believe it.

We looked bad in all aspects of the game today.

 

[cincyguy13]

Lol. If mick was amazing why the lack of success in March? Why did we lose to the same teams, have bad losses, etc? Why did x own him? His coaching effort amounted to one conference win and a what? One or two conference tourney championships? In 12 years

I think it's wanting two different things. I honestly don't care about tournament appearances and making the tourney if we lose every time. To me, it gets kinda embarrassing after 20 years. I don't think it is that exciting if you know you have no chance. Some people like just being part of the tourney. Which is fine but I will never understand that mindset.

Yes, I know Brannen could turn out to be a bad hire. We will see but that's why I didn't really care if Mick left.

 

[Bcatfollower]

Brannen has lost to Colgate, Tulane, UCF, Bowling Green (and almost lost to Valparaiso, ECU, Illinois State) with most of the same team that Cronin won 28 games with last year, and you're sitting here knocking Mick Cronin for never winning the Big East and not winning a couple more games in a single elimination tournament.

Myopic UC fans are getting what they wished for.

I’m happy he’s gone, couldn’t stand his recruiting, his offense, his childish behavior... just an entitled ass. Couldn’t even play high school basketball “cue bullshit knee injury excuse”. He was a joke in the city and We will be better off.

He lost to Presbyterian, Ohio u, Harvard, Nevada, ecu, and many more shit teams.

 

[cincyguy13]

The two seniors on UCLA are 9th and 10th in minutes played in conference. Mick could have easily said he wasn't "in a place" to yank guys based on effort. Instead, he benched his senior starter (who started every game last year) and put a freshman in his place.

Brannen talks about defense and rebounding first, then starts the worst defensive and rebounding center UC has started in the last 20+ years.

He also puts up with lack of effort, intensity and rebounding from a number of the guards and forwards.

Let's hope you guys are right and once he gets his guys in here, things will improve. But it's hard to believe it.

We looked bad in all aspects of the game today.

Didn't Brannen Bench Jarron (the senior all american), and everyone freaked out? Wasn't that this year?
The difference is, Mick can put in another 4-star, brannen is puting in Chris mcneal or Zach Harvey, who had ankle surgey less than a year ago.