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[david aka the TYZ]

There's things Cane does well and things he doesn't do well. Mick is smart enough to see what these are and is using Cane perfectly. We have two very good to elite college level players on this team and two more who are good to very good. This is not the Cane Broome show. Fans get wrapped up in his quickness and few highlight reel plays, but simply put Cane is not good enough to run a team around at this level, especially with all the better talent around him.

Cane is basically a playground player. He is quicker than you and can dribble around the defense and put up weird layups in traffic. The problem with this is good and even average defenses can stop this fairly easily. He can beat your guard....great, I got two trees waiting for him down low to swat his shot. He can't score over the 4 and 5's at this level. His only chance to score this way is if the bigs are caught sleeping or not set down low. To his credit, he does usually once a game catch the defense sleeping. Great, that's two points. We need 70-75 to win. He's not a good shooter off the dribble, but he's a great set shooter. When his feet are set and we kick out to him for a three, he's money.

He's sloppy with the ball. He makes lazy passes at the top of the key or wings and those passes when picked lead to points the other way. When he does dribble penetrate and gets around the guard and finds a bigger guy waiting on him (which happens more often than not because, well, it's college basketball and it's half court defenses) he's forced to pass. Well if the closest teammate's defender doesn't leave him he gets hung out to dry. Sometimes they do and he gets a highlight pass and dunk out of it. More often he either has to dribble out or tries to pass out and that leads to trouble for him. The other night vs. Houston, he spun around his defender on the baseline and made a lazy kickout to the far wing and a defender easily got in the passing lane and it quickly went the other way.

Defensively, Cane is great in the press and not as great in Mick's half court switching defense. He can get beat off the dribble and even can lose his man or be late in switching. Although, let's be honest everyone can from time to time. But Jenifer has shown to be much better.

The problem is to "let Cane do his thing" you have to let him do whatever he wants and tell your better players to stand and watch and set screens and hope he passes or crash the boards. This is ridiculous to even fathom. The best approach is exactly what Mick is doing. Force him off the ball and let him be a shooter and let him press so he can be utilized in a transition game. Cause one on one, he can shine. Mick plays a team game and wants passing and to run the ball inside out where the bigs are your first option and passing out is your second. If Cane could score at will it would be a different story, but he can't, not even close. And if we actually let him try defenses would adjust and focus on him very quickly and basically just force him into bad shots against shot blockers or just get in the passing lanes when he has to dish out. Then he's useless. So why run that offense? To suggest we shouldn't have recruiting him is silly too. He does provide a role and is very good at it. Come off the bench and create a spark either in the press or with a change of pace where the defense isnt ready. And he's a great set shooter. How many open three's has he nailed on kick outs? And at key moments. As much as I'd love Cane to start and be the pg we need he simply isn't it. He's still a selfish player and has somewhat of a bad attitude about it. He's still learning and hopefully getting better so maybe next year is different, but this year we got Gary, Kyle, Evans. They need to be the focus and they will be. Let Cane do exactly what he's doing and show he can not only be consistent but shine in his role.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

There's things Cane does well and things he doesn't do well. Mick is smart enough to see what these are and is using Cane perfectly. We have two very good to elite college level players on this team and two more who are good to very good. This is not the Cane Broome show. Fans get wrapped up in his quickness and few highlight reel plays, but simply put Cane is not good enough to run a team around at this level, especially with all the better talent around him.

Cane is basically a playground player. He is quicker than you and can dribble around the defense and put up weird layups in traffic. The problem with this is good and even average defenses can stop this fairly easily. He can beat your guard....great, I got two trees waiting for him down low to swat his shot. He can't score over the 4 and 5's at this level. His only chance to score this way is if the bigs are caught sleeping or not set down low. To his credit, he does usually once a game catch the defense sleeping. Great, that's two points. We need 70-75 to win. He's not a good shooter off the dribble, but he's a great set shooter. When his feet are set and we kick out to him for a three, he's money.

He's sloppy with the ball. He makes lazy passes at the top of the key or wings and those passes when picked lead to points the other way. When he does dribble penetrate and gets around the guard and finds a bigger guy waiting on him (which happens more often than not because, well, it's college basketball and it's half court defenses) he's forced to pass. Well if the closest teammate's defender doesn't leave him he gets hung out to dry. Sometimes they do and he gets a highlight pass and dunk out of it. More often he either has to dribble out or tries to pass out and that leads to trouble for him. The other night vs. Houston, he spun around his defender on the baseline and made a lazy kickout to the far wing and a defender easily got in the passing lane and it quickly went the other way.

Defensively, Cane is great in the press and not as great in Mick's half court switching defense. He can get beat off the dribble and even can lose his man or be late in switching. Although, let's be honest everyone can from time to time. But Jenifer has shown to be much better.

The problem is to "let Cane do his thing" you have to let him do whatever he wants and tell your better players to stand and watch and set screens and hope he passes or crash the boards. This is ridiculous to even fathom. The best approach is exactly what Mick is doing. Force him off the ball and let him be a shooter and let him press so he can be utilized in a transition game. Cause one on one, he can shine. Mick plays a team game and wants passing and to run the ball inside out where the bigs are your first option and passing out is your second. If Cane could score at will it would be a different story, but he can't, not even close. And if we actually let him try defenses would adjust and focus on him very quickly and basically just force him into bad shots against shot blockers or just get in the passing lanes when he has to dish out. Then he's useless. So why run that offense? To suggest we shouldn't have recruiting him is silly too. He does provide a role and is very good at it. Come off the bench and create a spark either in the press or with a change of pace where the defense isnt ready. And he's a great set shooter. How many open three's has he nailed on kick outs? And at key moments. As much as I'd love Cane to start and be the pg we need he simply isn't it. He's still a selfish player and has somewhat of a bad attitude about it. He's still learning and hopefully getting better so maybe next year is different, but this year we got Gary, Kyle, Evans. They need to be the focus and they will be. Let Cane do exactly what he's doing and show he can not only be consistent but shine in his role.

Agree with much of your post but I really don't know about his attitude or unwillingness to except coaching. I also don't know if he is selfish.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

First I think people are way overreacting due to his worst game of the season. Shouldn't judge anybody by their worst.


Second in conference play (before last game) he has been the exact PG Mick has wanted. 25 assists and 7 turnovers in 6 games. Spreading the ball around well, wasn't turning it over much. His shot hasn't been there since the ankle injuy but he hasn't been taking a lot of shots either.



The shot is slumping but that happens with everybody. He seems to be hesitant at times and maybe a bit down in his confidence but guys go through that as well.



Sometimes he quietly does things as well and since we expect some really special plays from him we miss the simple ones. I remember after the Memphis game thinking he didn't do much, then you look at the box score and he had 9 points on 7 shots with 6 assists and 1 TO. We'll take that any night of the week.

I agree with you. I think people have very lofty expectations for him but I think him coupled with JJ has been effective. The results support that. He makes us hard to defend. Just when you think we are playing a half court game he comes in and the pace is changed. You have to respect his speed. He has some areas he can improve on but all the kids do. Evans could get to the rim more, Cumberland could charge less, Kyle could not force shots and Gary could finish better at the rim. Together though they are leading the league and undefeated. I'll take that any day.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Agree with much of your post but I really don't know about his attitude or unwillingness to except coaching. I also don't know if he is selfish.

I've seen him chirping at the coach plenty. He's absolutely a selfish player. He's overconfident in his skills and that's why he gets in trouble as much as he does whether it be over penetrating or making passes that just aren't there. Granted he is doing less of this cause he knows Mick will pull him as soon as he does. Some fans suggest he's playing scared and Mick is trying to stifle him. In reality Mick understands what he is capable of doing and not capable of doing and won't allow him to deviate from the game plan and also isn't willing to let him just keep playing counter-intuitive to what he can do. This team can win without Cane. Sure Cane is a unique talent and when utilized properly he makes this team much better. But realistically he's our fifth best player all around.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I agree with you. I think people have very lofty expectations for him but I think him coupled with JJ has been effective. The results support that. He makes us hard to defend. Just when you think we are playing a half court game he comes in and the pace is changed. You have to respect his speed. He has some areas he can improve on but all the kids do. Evans could get to the rim more, Cumberland could charge less, Kyle could not force shots and Gary could finish better at the rim. Together though they are leading the league and undefeated. I'll take that any day.

The pace changes when Mick starts pressing. While that does happen typically when Cane is either inserted or when others are inserted with Cane already in, the pace of play doesn't really change with Jenifer or Cane if we're not changing our defensive strategies.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I've seen him chirping at the coach plenty. He's absolutely a selfish player. He's overconfident in his skills and that's why he gets in trouble as much as he does whether it be over penetrating or making passes that just aren't there. Granted he is doing less of this cause he knows Mick will pull him as soon as he does. Some fans suggest he's playing scared and Mick is trying to stifle him. In reality Mick understands what he is capable of doing and not capable of doing and won't allow him to deviate from the game plan and also isn't willing to let him just keep playing counter-intuitive to what he can do. This team can win without Cane. Sure Cane is a unique talent and when utilized properly he makes this team much better. But realistically he's our fifth best player all around.

I won't argue with any of that. I just have a hard time calling out a player for attitude unless I have seen it myself.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

The pace changes when Mick starts pressing. While that does happen typically when Cane is either inserted or when others are inserted with Cane already in, the pace of play doesn't really change with Jenifer or Cane if we're not changing our defensive strategies.

we have been pressing early and often .mick mentioned in the post game he was mad at himself because he stopped pressing against Florida. Cane is more geared to play at a faster tempo. Maybe because when he is in he is running with some of the bench players.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I won't argue with any of that. I just have a hard time calling out a player for attitude unless I have seen it myself.

I'm not trying to dog him. My posts are very critical of him because basically I'm tired of hearing like he's the second coming. Cane adds a different dimension and Mick has done a great job of harnessing that and incorporating it into this team. And when I say he has a bad attitude, I don't mean to suggest he's a cancer or a problem. Far from it. He plays well with his teammates and they all get along. I just don't think he's happy about not being number one and getting to do whatever he wants. And sure, in game emotions run high. I don't mind a player talking back at Mick if it's in the interest of learning and getting better. And usually coaches don't either.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

we have been pressing early and often .mick mentioned in the post game he was mad at himself because he stopped pressing against Florida. Cane is more geared to play at a faster tempo. Maybe because when he is in he is running with some of the bench players.

He's quick and elusive so of course he's better at fast tempo. Honestly most players are. The reason is there's no defense in uptempo, transition, run and gun styles. And when you're much better at defending than your opponent you don't allow them to push the pace. I wish Cronin would press more but there comes a point in time where you can only press so much. He doesn't like Gary and Kyle pressing so it does kind of only happen when the backups come in the game, which also is when Cane is usually in.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I'm not trying to dog him. My posts are very critical of him because basically I'm tired of hearing like he's the second coming. Cane adds a different dimension and Mick has done a great job of harnessing that and incorporating it into this team. And when I say he has a bad attitude, I don't mean to suggest he's a cancer or a problem. Far from it. He plays well with his teammates and they all get along. Inuit don't think he's happy about not being number one and getting to do whatever he wants. And sure, in game emotions run high. I don't mind a player talking back at Mick if it's in the interest of learning and getting better. And usually coaches don't either.

I got ya. Thanks for the explanation David. I've been known to get a bit hot headed myself in the heat of the battle. A habit that caused me to have to run many a suicides in my day.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I got ya. Thanks for the explanation David. I've been known to get a bit hot headed myself in the heat of the battle. A habit that caused me to have to run many a suicides in my day.

Good ol' testosterone, haha

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Good ol' testosterone, haha

lol!!! Enjoyed the conversation guys but it looks like the wife is going to drag me out to dinner. The things I won't do to peacefully watch the game at noon tomorrow.

 

[Jon Rycek]

I agree. The more I watch Broome the more I see that he has a ways to go. Not in a bad way, just not what I think the fans were expecting. But he's not a finished product. He needs to keep worrying about helping the team win. And at times, that'll include big contributions from him. He just has to stay ready and keep learning.

I just feel like he is getting a brunt of it right now. And not sure where it came from. He hasn't been a huge scorer, but it's his first year playing for the team, and we have four guys who have already established themselves and two Probable NBA guys in that bunch. There is only so much he can do in his role. Like I said I think his biggest issue for me is his lazy passes at the top of the key, that's really the only place he turns it over. His shot percentage hasn't been great, but since conference play started he has 2.6 a/to ratio. He's playing aggressive on defense. He's still learning and does get a little over zealous which lets his guy get by him every once in a while. Bull all in all I think he has fit pretty well, he helps push the pace, he plays within our offense for the most part. And he seems to be buying in, just taking a little time. But you gotta think about what a huge change that is for him, and IMO he is adjusting pretty well.

 

[Jon Rycek]

I'm not trying to dog him. My posts are very critical of him because basically I'm tired of hearing like he's the second coming. Cane adds a different dimension and Mick has done a great job of harnessing that and incorporating it into this team. And when I say he has a bad attitude, I don't mean to suggest he's a cancer or a problem. Far from it. He plays well with his teammates and they all get along. I just don't think he's happy about not being number one and getting to do whatever he wants. And sure, in game emotions run high. I don't mind a player talking back at Mick if it's in the interest of learning and getting better. And usually coaches don't either.

I think some people had too high expectations for him. But think you're taking it a little too far. And it certainly sounds like your dogging him. It probably is frustrating getting coached a way he probably never has before. He probably didn't coached the same way last year during practice either. He's not out there blowing up on the coach, just because he responds back to Cronin doesn't mean he outright conplainig or unwilling to be coached or selfish. He has actually played pretty well in our system. He's not jacking up double digit shots, he's not getting more turnovers than anyone else, really don't see this "selfish" player attitude you do. There's definitely a learning curve, and he has plenty to work on, but he is doing just fine. There is nothing to be overly concerned with, or any reason to be so harsh.