Houston

[waterhead]

He may not have a ton of TO lately but I don't feel like his ball security has been very good.

I honestly think it's the type of turnover he is getting that Cronin doesn't like...not the quantity. You know Cumberland has quite a few this year but they generally come from making aggressive moves like a travel or having one go off his knee, or maybe getting stripped going to the bucket etc.

Cumberland doesn't get a lot of the pick 6 variety where a pass is intercepted and brought to the house. Cane gets deflected or intercepted it seems a little more. Especially the deflections and interceptions when he's running the offense at the top of the key.

Cane looks so good on the move but seems to struggle when he's standing and passing.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

He may not have a ton of TO lately but I don't feel like his ball security has been very good.

I think your right. It has been a struggle for him finding his role on this team. He has flashes and some wow plays but what we need from him is consistency. We have a bunch of scoring options on this team. At SHU he was the whole show. Here he is being asked to push the pace, share the ball and guard. His value is not measured by how many points he scores in my mind but how many others score as a result of his play. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see him score more points but not at the expense of the flow of our offense. The way we guard if we hang 70 a night we are going to have a very nice season. The better he takes care of the ball and gets assist will get us closer to 70 then if he was the trying to score 20 a game. MHO!!!

 

[waterhead]

I think your right. It has been a struggle for him finding his role on this team. He has flashes and some wow plays but what we need from him is consistency. We have a bunch of scoring options on this team. At SHU he was the whole show. Here he is being asked to push the pace, share the ball and guard. His value is not measured by how many points he scores in my mind but how many others score as a result of his play. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see him score more points but not at the expense of the flow of our offense. The way we guard if we hang 70 a night we are going to have a very nice season. The better he takes care of the ball and gets assist will get us closer to 70 then if he was the trying to score 20 a game. MHO!!!

When Cane is playing to his strength his scoring and assists BOTH go up. When he is facilitating passing around the perimeter his scoring and assists go down.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I honestly think it's the type of turnover he is getting that Cronin doesn't like...not the quantity. You know Cumberland has quite a few this year but they generally come from making aggressive moves like a travel or having one go off his knee, or maybe getting stripped going to the bucket etc.

Cumberland doesn't get a lot of the pick 6 variety where a pass is intercepted and brought to the house. Cane gets deflected or intercepted it seems a little more. Especially the deflections and interceptions when he's running the offense at the top of the key.

Cane looks so good on the move but seems to struggle when he's standing and passing.

Yeah agreed. He just needs more experience. Next year at this time he'll be a much h better player.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

When Cane is playing to his strength his scoring and assists BOTH go up. When he is facilitating passing around the perimeter his scoring and assists go down.

I'm sorry I'm not understanding your point. Cane's play should be about playing to the strengths of the team not his personal stats. If your saying Canes play is better when we are pushing the pace I'm fine with that. I still don't agree with that premise. We have 4 very good half court players. We offensive rebound as well as any team. I like that we do not walk the ball up the court and press on defense now which gets us easy looks at times but we are not a run up and down the floor offense. I think when we play at a faster pace he is more effective. We also seem to make some unforced errors at times.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Right now what I think Cane needs to improve is his consistency. Careless turnovers are what limit his run time. His and JJ's mission ought to be to see we get to 70 points a night. When we do that with the way we guard I really like our chances to win the game.

 

[waterhead]

I'm sorry I'm not understanding your point. Cane's play should be about playing to the strengths of the team not his personal stats. If your saying Canes play is better when we are pushing the pace I'm fine with that. I still don't agree with that premise. We have 4 very good half court players. We offensive rebound as well as any team. I like that we do not walk the ball up the court and press on defense now which gets us easy looks at times but we are not a run up and down the floor offense. I think when we play at a faster pace he is more effective. We also seem to make some unforced errors at times.

You were saying he should not be looking to score as much but more to assist. The point is his assists go up when he plays his game. But his game doesn't fit our style all the time.

 

[cincrulz11]

He may not have a ton of TO lately but I don't feel like his ball security has been very good.

its not just a him thing. evans, cumberland, and broome have all been sloppy with the ball lately.


even jenifers TORate is up to 19.6 in conference play.


yet they can go the final 30 minutes vs houston with 1 turnover. it just has to be a focus thing, its not a talent thing.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I got you. I think he will be better next year but his improvement is not dependent on his scoring in my eyes as much as how the team performs. At the end of the day that is all that matters. Especially for PG’s. The good ones know when to score and when to pass.

 

[Jon Rycek]

I got you. I think he will be better next year but his improvement is not dependent on his scoring in my eyes as much as how the team performs. At the end of the day that is all that matters. Especially for PG’s. The good ones know when to score and when to pass.

What's the point of recruiting players if you're just going to take away their game though. We like you, we want you to play for us, just don't want you to play your game. We brought him here to score. I don't care if we drives and turns it over here and there, his drives make plays happen. A majority of his turnovers though come from sloppy passes at the top of the key. I barely ever see him turn it over once he's in the lane. What really needs to happen is our offense needs to adjust some and he needs to adjust some. There has to be a middle ground. I understand it's easy to say it's the coaches way and that's that. But you have to play and adapt to your players strengths too.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

What's the point of recruiting players if you're just going to take away their game though. We like you, we want you to play for us, just don't want you to play your game. We brought him here to score. I don't care if we drives and turns it over here and there, his drives make plays happen. A majority of his turnovers though come from sloppy passes at the top of the key. I barely ever see him turn it over once he's in the lane. What really needs to happen is our offense needs to adjust some and he needs to adjust some. There has to be a middle ground. I understand it's easy to say it's the coaches way and that's that. But you have to play and adapt to your players strengths too.

5 guys play the game. On good teams all 5 learn to blend together. We brought him here to play point guard and help the team win. I do care about him turning the ball over. To often they can be the difference between winning and losing. Guys he is not shown he is the second coming of NVE or Tiny Archibald. He was a player who played off guard and PG at SHU. He has to adjust his game to the team around him. It has been a struggle at times. I think he is making progress. He has had his ups and downs. Even so we are having a very good season. Hopefully he will continue to adjust to the talent around him. Something I think is very key as a PG. I think many including myself had a very inflated view of what effect his game could have on the team. He is very much a work in progress. Those suggesting the Coach is holding him back is way off in my mind considering how our season has gone. He has a lot of room to grow I hope he gets there.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

5 guys play the game. On good teams all 5 learn to blend together. We brought him here to play point guard and help the team win. I do care about him turning the ball over. To often they can be the difference between winning and losing. Guys he is not shown he is the second coming of NVE or Tiny Archibald. He was a player who played off guard and PG at SHU. He has to adjust his game to the team around him. It has been a struggle at times. I think he is making progress. He has had his ups and downs. Even so we are having a very good season. Hopefully he will continue to adjust to the talent around him. Something I think is very key as a PG. I think many including myself had a very inflated view of what effect his game could have on the team. He is very much a work in progress. Those suggesting the Coach is holding him back is way off in my mind considering how our season has gone. He has a lot of room to grow I hope he gets there.

I agree. The more I watch Broome the more I see that he has a ways to go. Not in a bad way, just not what I think the fans were expecting. But he's not a finished product. He needs to keep worrying about helping the team win. And at times, that'll include big contributions from him. He just has to stay ready and keep learning.

 

[BearcatsNE]

Right now what I think Cane needs to improve is his consistency. Careless turnovers are what limit his run time. His and JJ's mission ought to be to see we get to 70 points a night. When we do that with the way we guard I really like our chances to win the game.

Who leads the team in turnovers? So stop making Cane out to be the only one turning the ball over because he’s not leading the team in the stat. You guys always turn to turnovers with him.

 

[BearcatsNE]

its not just a him thing. evans, cumberland, and broome have all been sloppy with the ball lately.


even jenifers TORate is up to 19.6 in conference play.


yet they can go the final 30 minutes vs houston with 1 turnover. it just has to be a focus thing, its not a talent thing.

Thank you. Stop hanging your hat on turnovers.

 

[BearcatsNE]

What's the point of recruiting players if you're just going to take away their game though. We like you, we want you to play for us, just don't want you to play your game. We brought him here to score. I don't care if we drives and turns it over here and there, his drives make plays happen. A majority of his turnovers though come from sloppy passes at the top of the key. I barely ever see him turn it over once he's in the lane. What really needs to happen is our offense needs to adjust some and he needs to adjust some. There has to be a middle ground. I understand it's easy to say it's the coaches way and that's that. But you have to play and adapt to your players strengths too.

I agree. They went to get him because it was different from what Troy offered. And now you take that away. I don’t get it. But he’s doing what the coach want him to do but some are mad at that fact that he’s not what they thought he was going to bring. We’ll get use to it because it will happen with Logan as well. Coach has his way of doing things and want it done in a certain way.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Who leads the team in turnovers? So stop making Cane out to be the only one turning the ball over because he’s not leading the team in the stat. You guys always turn to turnovers with him.

First I am not trying to paint a bad picture of Cane. He is part of a team that is on the verge of having a very successful season. His play combined with JJ at PG is a big part of that. I think he is sacrificing some of his freedom on the court for the good of the team. That is admirable. Cronin is trying to use each player in situations that he feels will benefit the team. To this point judging by the results he has done that very well. It has been a big adjustment from SHU to Cincy for him. In my mind he is a work in progress. He is playing with some very talented players in a new environment with very lofty expectations. He has had his ups and downs. He routinely gets the majority of the minutes even if he isn't starting. I hope his game as it pertains to the goals of the team continue to grow. In my mind he is very much a work in progress and I fully understand and agree with how Coach is bringing him along and why. If people put a premium on turnovers as it pertains to JJ and Cane its because PG's are graded on how they protect the ball. Big part of the effectiveness of the position.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I agree. They went to get him because it was different from what Troy offered. And now you take that away. I don’t get it. But he’s doing what the coach want him to do but some are mad at that fact that he’s not what they thought he was going to bring. We’ll get use to it because it will happen with Logan as well. Coach has his way of doing things and want it done in a certain way.

We are 50-8 the past 2 years. If I were Broome, I'd continue to take the coaching. He and the team will be better for it in the end.

 

[waterhead]

I think my main thing with Cane is that he is EXTREMELY good at doing quite a few things. However, he's just not AS good at running our main no movement offensive play.

That is a recruiting mistake...not a player problem. We should have known his capabilities, strengths, and weaknesses better. He is very average playing stationary or with limited movement. He is dynamic when he's on the move. He is every bit what I thought he could be...the problem is there are only limited minutes we can use him doing what he's good at. How is that his fault?

We need to find more ways to use him if we don't want to lose him. We didn't bring him here to pass the ball from one wing to the other...nor do I believe he signed up for that. That is where most of the problem is coming.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I think my main thing with Cane is that he is EXTREMELY good at doing quite a few things. However, he's just not AS good at running our main no movement offensive play.

That is a recruiting mistake...not a player problem. We should have known his capabilities, strengths, and weaknesses better. He is very average playing stationary or with limited movement. He is dynamic when he's on the move. He is every bit what I thought he could be...the problem is there are only limited minutes we can use him doing what he's good at. How is that his fault?

We need to find more ways to use him if we don't want to lose him. We didn't bring him here to pass the ball from one wing to the other...nor do I believe he signed up for that. That is where most of the problem is coming.

Mistake?? He is part of a two headed PG who is leading a top 10 team, that is 20-2 and running away with the conference league title. We are averaging 71 points a game and holding our opposition to 51 in league play.I mean I guess we could be undefeated but that sounds like we have a pretty good year going on. He is averaging more then 20 minutes a game. Why would we lose him??? Where has this come from. He has already transferred and set out one year. I mean I am really having a hard time understanding some people's expectations. I really wouldn't know where to start the calculations at but how many more shots and how many more minutes would Cane have to play for us to average 80 points a game offensively. Would their be a increase in TO's we would have to adjust for? Who would give up the shots? Would it affect our defense?

 

[cincrulz11]

First I think people are way overreacting due to his worst game of the season. Shouldn't judge anybody by their worst.


Second in conference play (before last game) he has been the exact PG Mick has wanted. 25 assists and 7 turnovers in 6 games. Spreading the ball around well, wasn't turning it over much. His shot hasn't been there since the ankle injuy but he hasn't been taking a lot of shots either.



The shot is slumping but that happens with everybody. He seems to be hesitant at times and maybe a bit down in his confidence but guys go through that as well.



Sometimes he quietly does things as well and since we expect some really special plays from him we miss the simple ones. I remember after the Memphis game thinking he didn't do much, then you look at the box score and he had 9 points on 7 shots with 6 assists and 1 TO. We'll take that any night of the week.