Hasn't really translated into a consistent player yet. And if he's fouling 3 point shooters and playing the worst defense of anyone on the floor, hard to look past rough offensive numbers too. Not trying to be hard on him, I just think we need to admit that he isn't ready yet to be the player we all want him to be.
I'm with you on Broome. He hasn't been able to turn the corner and get downhill in the high screen game. And that's really the action to run with him. He has a very long way to go if he wants to be one of our go to guys. And that flat out isn't going to happen this year. It's not his fault. We see all the time how tough it is for first year guys here. He's no exception. I think we all just desperately wanted him to be bc the rest of our team is so good, and you can see flashes with Broome sometimes. But he isn't a guy who can help us night in, night out the way Evans, Clark, Washington and Cumberland can. Again though, that's not that weird that he isn't the best he'll ever be at UC at this point.
Look at his numbers in conference play:
18.5 minutes/games
30.8 FG%
55 FT%
10.0 points/40 minutes
10.6 PER
42.1 TS%
^These just give an idea, but that's what it is. No one else on the team would be getting a free pass for this. And we would never scream for more minutes for a player like this. You can complain about Cronin's handling him all you want but Cronin isn't making him have multiple 1-7 shooting games, Cronin isn't making him miss FTs, etc. He hasn't been as advertised and he's not ready...at least not to this point. Again though, I don't think he'll be ready this year. Not anyone's fault. Just bad timing with how good the rest of our team is. Too bad we can't have the Cane Broome next year, this year. But we need PG play desperately. I think it's going to be Evans more. And I think we'll see a lineup of Evans, Cumberland. Moore, Clark, Washington like we did down the stretch, maybe more than any lineup the rest of the year. With the Jenifer lineup being up there as well. JMO.
Yeah, I can agree. He def isn't what I thought he would be so far. but man nothing will convince me and I don't think you are trying to convince anyone that he shouldn't have been on the bench the whole time in the 2nd half. We needed to try him out. Give him a good 4-6 minute run. If Cronin said we lost the game in the first half. Well try and get it back then with something new.
can anybody remember a game when jake played PG with neither JJ or cane out there. last night we did it and the first game vs temple we did it. can anybody recall any other games?
Last night Evans/Moore/Cumberland/Clark/Kwash lineup was +2 (but we were doing offense for defense subs at the end so the last bit of it was just offense). vs Temple it was -5.
jake just isn't a PG and I dont think you can play him that way for an entire game. Give him sets when he runs it, but it can't be every possession of a game.
Get ready to see that lineup a lot.
Get ready to see that lineup a lot.
Not true at all
I swear, UC fans after a big loss makes me want to quit the internet.
I'm more upset with the shitty hot takes than I am about losing to #23 in Kenpom Houston at home.
if Houston were in the Big East, they'd be in 4th place above Seton Hall, Providence and Butler and just one spot below Creighton. But because perception means so much to people, losing to houston was like losing to Mississippi valley state or something.
its insanity.
we can't have it both ways. We can't have a league that is improved and still run through like its the MEAC. If you want a respectable league then you want a league when you can lose on the road to multiple opponents.
We just punched Houston's ticket. And it sets up a great game for Temple to beat them and made get themselves in the field.
Clearly you aren't understanding why most people are upset. The majority of people aren't upset THAT we lost its about HOW we lost. We lose the same exact way every single year against good teams. Cronin coaching the way he did today isn't going to get us past the first weekend. Our first round game is going to be against a team the same quality as Houston. Our hopefully second game will probably be against a team better then Houston. We've done nothing different this year against quality teams to indicate Cronin can get over that hump.
Clearly you aren't understanding why most people are upset. The majority of people aren't upset THAT we lost its about HOW we lost. We lose the same exact way every single year against good teams. Cronin coaching the way he did today isn't going to get us past the first weekend. Our first round game is going to be against a team the same quality as Houston. Our hopefully second game will probably be against a team better then Houston. We've done nothing different this year against quality teams to indicate Cronin can get over that hump.
I don't think we used the bench enough in the 1st half. Then all those guys are ice cold and just sitting around for an hour+. Hard to count on them in the 2nd half. Moore taking his first shot of the game at the 3 minute mark of the 2nd half is not setting him up for success. We did the big game thing again. I mean, Williams can't even get on the floor for 1 second vs Houston? On average our bench plays about 70 minutes per game. That was down to 28 last night. Bc we did the freak out thing where we perceive the team is good and allow that to change our approach. We played the game differently than what we've been doing all year. Our guys are not used to playing that way. The fact that we were up so big early, and kept Jenifer, Cumberland, and Evans in so long was a bit concerning. We went into that shell. The shell that causes us to lose big game after big game. We have time to change it. But if we play like that in the 2nd round, we're going home against anyone decent. We have to make an attempt to keep things going with at least some kind of a pace. Some way to keep things from being so tight. But that's who we are, I'm afraid. Still lots of time left obviously, and hopefully this is just a bump in the road. I just fear that what we saw last night is what we'll see against the first "good team" we play in the tournament and we'll go home early.
The way our schedule has shaped up, 5 games clearly stand out. We are 0-3 in those games. We have to sweep Wichita to make that 2-3.
Williams didn't get on the floor last night because he gets completely lost in Micks defense. Moore got in because of his length and TOUGHNESS. My only gripe as far as gameplan with last night's game is letting Evans run point so ineffectively all night.
My two cents worth: Houston needed this win. We could have USED this win. Big difference, because both teams played the way they saw it. Sucks but that’s life.
Here is my concern moving forward…the three (4 if you want to count UCLA) teams we’ve played and lost are the types of teams we will see in the NCAA tourney. If we want that run we have all been craving, we simply have to be better. Our half-court offense is a mind bender against decent teams simply because we do not move the ball quick enough and force the defense out of position. It’s quite easy to defend—double the post so there’s a kick out and force JJ or CB or JC or JE to burn you from three, something we haven’t seen anyone one of those guys do consistently AGAINST QUALITY competition. It’s stagnant. Houston showed how to beat our defense. Constant movement and ball reversal with 2-3 shooters salivating.
Devil’s Advocate: beat Wichita and we may be able to look back at the Houston game and realize that despite going about 12 minutes without a FG, on top of playing very poor defense for a majority of the game and them playing at their ceiling, we only lost by 5 and that’s just the breaks for a the night.
Double Devil: Offensively, we must be better gentlemen. The NCAA is about matchups and if we see a team with shooters we may be in trouble, especially if they don’t mind a half-court game. We have to play inside out and when the ball gets kicked out, we have to be consistent (not spectacular) at keeping the defense honest. That opens it up for our bigs. If our guys don’t knock down open shots then the defense will double the post all day.
Here’s hoping last night night was just one of those days. Sundays response is going to tell us a lot about this group as we progress into the important part of the season. We simply cannot afford to lose at home. Houston also has a trip to Jekyll/Hyde Temple coming up so things can still break favorably for us within the conference.
Two of your concerns here are bench time and pace. There is an obvious answer for both currently on the bench. I remember hearing coach say nobody could stay in front of Cane...not even our guys. But not even 10+ minutes without a basket was enough to give it an honest try. Smh
So he fouled a 3 point shooter. Fine. Take him out, scold him, send him back in.
Anything was better than playing 4 on 5 and whatever we were calling an offense.
Williams didn't get on the floor last night because he gets completely lost in Micks defense. Moore got in because of his length and TOUGHNESS. My only gripe as far as gameplan with last night's game is letting Evans run point so ineffectively all night.