I would love to hear

[Thegreatone]

Clearly you are not thinking objectively. 20 wins in the toughest conf in america is darn good with where we came from. Listen, I loved Huggs as much as the next guy, but to keep this undying love for him is immature. Its like Huggs followers got dumped by their high school sweetheart but always talk about those great times they had wishing they still had them. Get over it, facts are facts and the man underachieved his last 6 or so years. You guys are so quick to criticize but when it comes to "your guy" you cant take it. Don't let emotion take over, only bad decision will follow!

Good post.

 

[TheFranchise]

The Bengals are a professional team.

Huggins represented the University and it was really hurting the perception of the University.

He was great as far as bringing in money. But at some point a University has to have the best interest in academics. Huggins failed to meet that.

It was just Huggins off the court behavior but also his inability to keep players out of trouble.

BK represented UC the way we wanted. Huggins didnt.

He was awesome his first 6 or 7 years here. After that he underachieved with the talent he had. No way should we have settled for Elite 8's. No way.

2000 gets a pass because the emotional devastation of losing your best player and of coarse losing the POY.

2002 had NO business losing in 2nd round. If you want to be bitter about a coach not getting it down with the best team it was Huggins that year. 30 wins and only 1 tournament win was a absolute joke.

Don't even go there. BK took the 1st big job he could find to get out of cincy. Huggins showed loyalty at least a dozen times in turning down jobs that paid more. Huggins loyalty to the school is way greater than the DUI he had. BK is a joke who used UC, Huggins is a man who loved UC.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Clearly you are not thinking objectively. 20 wins in the toughest conf in america is darn good with where we came from. Listen, I loved Huggs as much as the next guy, but to keep this undying love for him is immature. Its like Huggs followers got dumped by their high school sweetheart but always talk about those great times they had wishing they still had them. Get over it, facts are facts and the man underachieved his last 6 or so years. You guys are so quick to criticize but when it comes to "your guy" you cant take it. Don't let emotion take over, only bad decisions will follow!

I dont have this undying love for huggins, thats real gay. But seriously, People on this board often throw huggins under the bus, simply not fair.

This is Micks team, I fully understand that, and have offered my full support to Micks success... I want nothing more than UC to win 20 games a year in the BE and for Mick to make UC a powerhouse again. With that being said i am not happy with his results. I think thats a fair opinion to have. For as much crap as the nay sayers get, in the same perspective those who say nothing but unrealistic good things about Micks success and throw huggins under the bus are complete clowns.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

These academic issues were valid.

Like it or not the HC is expected to be able to control his players. Huggs did not. Nor did Kennedy.

1997-2005 we underachieved.

How. UC had the number one GPA in CUSA. The graduation rates are skewed. If you would like me to fully elaborate and go into detail i will.

 

[ready2go]

Atleast if we are going to lose with Bob they were exciting to watch! People jumping out of the rafters, physical play, a nasty press. Don't think one time the words no effort came out of the Huggins era. It was always left on the court.

This team makes me for one wanna scream and two watch paint dry. They are BORING

 

[DontMissHim]

Livinglegend-Franchise/Read2go(dont respond with both of your names, just one is fine) I simply want to know- was our domination only 1 final four better then Xavier’s program has been? I asked this before and was not surprised to see no answer. It def. was IMO...but why we dont have the tournament wins/runs (where it counts) to prove it? huggins=underachiever.

For how "dominant" we were to only have ONE final four is totally unacceptable...let alone only 2 more elite 8's to add to it. For me-I look back at those years and am happy with them but in the back of my head think "what-if"...as in, what if we actually played to our potential come tournament time(why didnt we?...Huggins was NOT a tournament coach) Again-you guys seem to think it was acceptable that our glory years with huggins is 1 final four better then what Xavier has been the past 6-7 years and I do not.
But-go ahead and make this guy into something he isnt-A good coach when it counts.

I will add that by no means do I think Mick is the guy, I am not saying that one bit. I wanted huggins gone much like i want Mick gone.

 

[ready2go]

Livinglegend-Franchise/Read2go(dont respond with both of your names, just one is fine) I simply want to know- was our domination only 1 final four better then Xavier’s program has been? I asked this before and was not surprised to see no answer. It def. was IMO...but why we dont have the tournament wins/runs (where it counts) to prove it? huggins=underachiever.

For how "dominant" we were to only have ONE final four is totally unacceptable...let alone only 2 more elite 8's to add to it. For me-I look back at those years and am happy with them but in the back of my head think "what-if"...as in, what if we actually played to our potential come tournament time(why didnt we?...Huggins was NOT a tournament coach) Again-you guys seem to think it was acceptable that our glory years with huggins is 1 final four better then what Xavier has been the past 6-7 years and I do not.
But-go ahead and make this guy into something he isnt-A good coach when it counts.

I will add that by no means do I think Mick is the guy, I am not saying that one bit. I wanted huggins gone much like i want Mick gone.

Ok Inspector Gadget this has been addressed. WE ARE BROTHERS!

Huggins was such a BAD COACH that K-State wanted him and now West Virginia has him. Explain that one to me. Can't wait to hear your response. Enlighten me please!!

 

[DontMissHim]

Ok Inspector Gadget this has been addressed. WE ARE BROTHERS!

Huggins was such a BAD COACH that K-State wanted him and now West Virginia has him. Explain that one to me. Can't wait to hear your response. Enlighten me please!!

Ok--Lets see what he did come tournament time.
KSU-11 seed-not much pressure (with one of the best players in the country) beat a 6 seed (1st time he ever beat a seed higher then he was) Pretty good showing even with one of the best players in the country.

Next year: 7 seed- no real pressure on the squad, not expecting to do too much- But he goes and upsets the 2 seed Duke only to get beat by Xavier (as he always did). So, looks like we have a new huggins- one who can actually win in the tournament right?Wrong.

Next year: WV 6 seed. A little bit of tournament pressure with that. But, its clear he is becoming a tournament coach. He looks to do a little damage (first time in a few years he is expected too) in the tournament and gets a pretty simple UD team 1st round. he does what? You guessed it. Underachieves BIG time and chokes to a crappy UD team first round of the tournament. That’s the Huggins we remember and what we are more use to from him. What I like to call “Classic Huggins”.

Also-I never said he was a "bad coach" I said he was a terrible tournament coach. Which he proved yet again in the collapse againt UD. (Though I will give him a little credit the first two years, granted he had one of the best players in the country helping him)

 

[TheFranchise]

In the last 7 years Mick Cronin has won 4 Conference Championships, regular season and tourney, Bob H has won 1.

In the last 4 (including this year) years Bob Huggins is 92-38 with 2 NCAA Tourny appearances, 1 sweet 16 and an NIT

In the last 4 (including this year) years Mick Cronin is 54-60 with 0 NCAA Tourny appearances, 0 NIT appearances, but he does have that 1 CBI tournament game (loss).

End of the argument. If you hate Huggins thats fine, but the man is a winner, something you cant say for Mick.

 

[TheFranchise]

Livinglegend-Franchise/Read2go(dont respond with both of your names, just one is fine) I simply want to know- was our domination only 1 final four better then Xavier’s program has been? I asked this before and was not surprised to see no answer. It def. was IMO...but why we dont have the tournament wins/runs (where it counts) to prove it? huggins=underachiever.

For how "dominant" we were to only have ONE final four is totally unacceptable...let alone only 2 more elite 8's to add to it. For me-I look back at those years and am happy with them but in the back of my head think "what-if"...as in, what if we actually played to our potential come tournament time(why didnt we?...Huggins was NOT a tournament coach) Again-you guys seem to think it was acceptable that our glory years with huggins is 1 final four better then what Xavier has been the past 6-7 years and I do not.
But-go ahead and make this guy into something he isnt-A good coach when it counts.

I will add that by no means do I think Mick is the guy, I am not saying that one bit. I wanted huggins gone much like i want Mick gone.

O my. This guy is a joke. Your right, I wish Huggins would just not have made the NCAA Tournament, that way people couldnt rip on him. Come on, in the 90's and early 2000's Cincinnati was one of the top 10 programs in the country. Now we are belittled to making the CBI Tournament a few years ago. Bob Huggins built a dynasty. Prior to his arrival the program was brutal. No NCAA appearances in the 11 years prior to his arrival, and no NCAA appearances since his departure. Soak that one up.

 

[ready2go]

Ok--Lets see what he did come tournament time.
KSU-11 seed-not much pressure (with one of the best players in the country) beat a 6 seed (1st time he ever beat a seed higher then he was) Pretty good showing even with one of the best players in the country.

Next year: 7 seed- no real pressure on the squad, not expecting to do too much- But he goes and upsets the 2 seed Duke only to get beat by Xavier (as he always did). So, looks like we have a new huggins- one who can actually win in the tournament right?Wrong.

Next year: WV 6 seed. A little bit of tournament pressure with that. But, its clear he is becoming a tournament coach. He looks to do a little damage (first time in a few years he is expected too) in the tournament and gets a pretty simple UD team 1st round. he does what? You guessed it. Underachieves BIG time and chokes to a crappy UD team first round of the tournament. That’s the Huggins we remember and what we are more use to from him. What I like to call “Classic Huggins”.

Also-I never said he was a "bad coach" I said he was a terrible tournament coach. Which he proved yet again in the collapse againt UD. (Though I will give him a little credit the first two years, granted he had one of the best players in the country helping him)

Is the NCAA Tourny the same as the CBI or Big East Tourny?? I forget...

And that still does not answer my question as to why these programs wanted Bog Huggins..keep trying

 

[DontMissHim]

In the last 4 (including this year) years Bob Huggins is 92-38 with 2 NCAA Tourny appearances, 1 sweet 16 and an NIT

In the last 4 (including this year) years Mick Cronin is 54-60 with 0 NCAA Tourny appearances, 0 NIT appearances, but he does have that 1 CBI tournament game (loss).

End of the argument. If you hate Huggins thats fine, but the man is a winner, in the regular season,something you cant say for Mick.

Fixed

I think its clear we will all disagree on how we view huggins as a tournament coach, However-I will say Huggins was a better coach then Mick and it was more fun during the Huggins time (until the tournament obviously)

 

[DontMissHim]

Is the NCAA Tourny the same as the CBI or Big East Tourny?? I forget...

And that still does not answer my question as to why these programs wanted Bog Huggins..keep trying

To answer your question-they wanted him so they could make the tournament. I dont know much about them pryor to huggins getting there but I believe he made them a tournament (not a threat in the tournament though) team. They could not have expected him to do well in the tournament looking at his track record though

Soo what has he shown you that he is a good coach when it matters (NCAA tournament?)

And let me ask--you were ok with underachieving every year?

Ill answer your question when you answer mine--Dont you think we were better then 1 final four apperance more then Xavier has been? If you answer yes then its clear you think he underachieved as well.

 

[TheFranchise]

Ok--Lets see what he did come tournament time.
KSU-11 seed-not much pressure (with one of the best players in the country) beat a 6 seed (1st time he ever beat a seed higher then he was) Pretty good showing even with one of the best players in the country.

Next year: 7 seed- no real pressure on the squad, not expecting to do too much- But he goes and upsets the 2 seed Duke only to get beat by Xavier (as he always did). So, looks like we have a new huggins- one who can actually win in the tournament right?Wrong.

Next year: WV 6 seed. A little bit of tournament pressure with that. But, its clear he is becoming a tournament coach. He looks to do a little damage (first time in a few years he is expected too) in the tournament and gets a pretty simple UD team 1st round. he does what? You guessed it. Underachieves BIG time and chokes to a crappy UD team first round of the tournament. That’s the Huggins we remember and what we are more use to from him. What I like to call “Classic Huggins”.

Also-I never said he was a "bad coach" I said he was a terrible tournament coach. Which he proved yet again in the collapse againt UD. (Though I will give him a little credit the first two years, granted he had one of the best players in the country helping him)

Are you a moron? He never coached Kansas State in the NCAA Tourny and he never coached Michael Beasley. Look up the information before you post.

 

[TheFranchise]

Ok Inspector Gadget this has been addressed. WE ARE BROTHERS!

Huggins was such a BAD COACH that K-State wanted him and now West Virginia has him. Explain that one to me. Can't wait to hear your response. Enlighten me please!!

But they still think we are the same person, even though 2 seperate IP addresses.. Haha, some people just cant understand that 2 people actually hate what Mick has done here. They treat him like a king even though he looks like the guy on the lucky charms box.

 

[DontMissHim]

Are you a moron? He never coached Kansas State in the NCAA Tourny and he never coached Michael Beasley. Look up the information before you post.

Man, so he really has only had 1 good year since the UC years. Interesting

 

[ready2go]

To answer your question-they wanted him so they could make the tournament. I dont know much about them pryor to huggins getting there but I believe he made them a tournament (not a threat in the tournament though) team. They could not have expected him to do well in the tournament looking at his track record though

Soo what has he shown you that he is a good coach when it matters (NCAA tournament?)

And let me ask--you were ok with underachieving every year?

That is your best bet...just blow the question off! Thats ok

You don't realize what you have until it is gone. Yes it was frustrating losing in the NCAA, but I do feel we as Cinci Fans we were spoiled. What Huggins did was amazing while here.

Strange how those other two programs still wanted him after he was soooo "disappointing" here.

Lets put Huggins aside though and talk current situation. UGH

 

[DontMissHim]

That is your best bet...just blow the question off! Thats ok

You don't realize what you have until it is gone. Yes it was frustrating losing in the NCAA, but I do feel we as Cinci Fans we were spoiled. What Huggins did was amazing while here.

Strange how those other two programs still wanted him after he was soooo "disappointing" here.

Lets put Huggins aside though and talk current situation. UGH

I think both those programs were content with what UC had(and many programs would have killed for it) and were ok with him not getting far in the tournament. I wanted to get over the hump, much like you did, but I agree-lets move on. I think we have different definitions of "successful" coaches- mine is always tournament based.

Which means Mick is no where near a successful coach. Lol

This is the main reason I asked if we would rather tank and get a new coach or catch fire and get in. I don’t see Mick taking us back and that’s why I think if we want tournament success, we need a new coach.

 

[TheFranchise]

I think both those programs were content with what UC had(and many programs would have killed for it) and were ok with him not getting far in the tournament. I wanted to get over the hump, much like you did, but I agree-lets move on. I think we have different definitions of "successful" coaches- mine is always tournament based.

Which means Mick is no where near a successful coach. Lol

This is the main reason I asked if we would rather tank and get a new coach or catch fire and get in. I don’t see Mick taking us back and that’s why I think if we want tournament success, we need a new coach.

Something i can agree with you on. Yes it was the past, but I dont see why so called "fans" have to bash Huggins. The man built this program. Now its time for someone to take it to the next level, and that someone is not Mick Cronin.

 

[ready2go]

I think both those programs were content with what UC had(and many programs would have killed for it) and were ok with him not getting far in the tournament. I wanted to get over the hump, much like you did, but I agree-lets move on. I think we have different definitions of "successful" coaches- mine is always tournament based.

Which means Mick is no where near a successful coach. Lol

This is the main reason I asked if we would rather tank and get a new coach or catch fire and get in. I don’t see Mick taking us back and that’s why I think if we want tournament success, we need a new coach.

Agreeeee!!

Huggins and Mick arguments seem pointless because peoples stances won't change one way or the other.

Although I will still be rooting for the cats to make it this year, I do not like one bit what Mick has to offer currently and in the future.

Hopefully we make the tourny and Mick gets offered the UL job. Lets pray!