Initial thoughts on Caupain/Johnson verbals

[TheLongHaul]

Btw, my point wasn't that I don't like how Mick is building the program, because I do. IMO, it isn't as much as recruiting 4 year guys, it's recruiting players that fit the system that you run, whether they are developmental players or studs. And I like Mick's recruiting so far for the most part (2010 - very average, 2011 - high potential, 2012 - disappointed, 2013 - appears like it's going to be a very good class), I just think that if/when UC becomes elite, you'll see him going after the 5*'s on a more regular basis. But I'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[ralph1950]

Btw, my point wasn't that I don't like how Mick is building the program, because I do. IMO, it isn't as much as recruiting 4 year guys, it's recruiting players that fit the system that you run, whether they are developmental players or studs. And I like Mick's recruiting so far for the most part (2010 - very average, 2011 - high potential, 2012 - disappointed, 2013 - appears like it's going to be a very good class), I just think that if/when UC becomes elite, you'll see him going after the 5*'s on a more regular basis. But I'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Mick does not have the money to recruit 5 star players, Calipari does.

 

[mplebanon]

Mick does not have the money to recruit 5 star players, Calipari does.

Calipari and Lavin. Probably Calhoun too. And with Syracuse' mess last year, maybe Boeheim.

 

[Scheids21]

I think its time we stop with the payment talk. Whether were serious or joking, its annoying and pointless to talk about

 

[Gotcha23]

we have enough 4 year players

I'm not sure why Mick continues to attract 3 star or "development" recruits. We just went to the sweet sixteen last year and I still find myself wondering if we can secure big time recruits. We don't need 5 star guys but we do need TOP100 kids(4 stars) to compete for championships. Combo guards at 6'2 are not worth scholarships when we just signed J. Davis and Guyn IMO. These kids are not BEAST caliber.

However, I will give Mick his props for Shaq, Jermaine and Justin in the past couple of years. They all look to have what It takes.

I just wish Mick would start securing kids that X is consistenly getting. Mick has been outrecruited by X the last three years. Unacceptable.

 

[bearcat18]

I'm not sure why Mick continues to attract 3 star or "development" recruits. We just went to the sweet sixteen last year and I still find myself wondering if we can secure big time recruits. We don't need 5 star guys but we do need TOP100 kids(4 stars) to compete for championships. Combo guards at 6'2 are not worth scholarships when we just signed J. Davis and Guyn IMO. These kids are not BEAST caliber.

However, I will give Mick his props for Shaq, Jermaine and Justin in the past couple of years. They all look to have what It takes.

I just wish Mick would start securing kids that X is consistenly getting. Mick has been outrecruited by X the last three years. Unacceptable.

Please tell me you are a Xavier fan. This post is laughable, period. First off, how many games have you seen Caupain or Johnson play? You seem to know they aren't Big East caliber so I would like to know.

Xavier's 2010 recruiting class was a joke. Canty, Latham, and McKenzie all transferred, and Justin Martin has been a letdown thus far. Also Martin was a partial qualifier so he didn't have many options coming out of high school.

Wells is a legit player, but I feel you would complain if Dee Davis was a Bearcat.

Their 2012 class looks decent, but Xavier fans also claimed their 2010 class would be outstanding too. Rankings aren't always reliable.

 

[catsfan4life]

what about SK? you dont think he is Big East good? Jaquon Parker has done pretty well for himself hasn't he?

 

[mdchick]

Are there any videos of caupain?

 

[mplebanon]

I'm not sure why Mick continues to attract 3 star or "development" recruits. We just went to the sweet sixteen last year and I still find myself wondering if we can secure big time recruits. We don't need 5 star guys but we do need TOP100 kids(4 stars) to compete for championships. Combo guards at 6'2 are not worth scholarships when we just signed J. Davis and Guyn IMO. These kids are not BEAST caliber.

However, I will give Mick his props for Shaq, Jermaine and Justin in the past couple of years. They all look to have what It takes.

I just wish Mick would start securing kids that X is consistenly getting. Mick has been outrecruited by X the last three years. Unacceptable.

So I'm guessing the whole point of your post, as an X fan, is basically Gotcha to the UC fans?

 

[Gotcha23]

???? I went to UC. I am a huge supporter of Mick and the program. I've hated X my entire life especially the David West years My biggest concern is the quality of players we are bringing into the Big East. I understand X has had a great NCAA run the past 5 years but I hate seeing the crosstown enemy bringing in better players. Honestly, I havent missed a game (on TV I have to admit) in 4 years. I guess I stand alone on the importance of bringing big time players to our school. I know Mick is trying his best but im not so sure combo guards are the biggest need for us. No offense to either of these two kids. They may just be the foundation commits to the class Im not real sure.

 

[Hicks' Guns]

???? I went to UC. I am a huge supporter of Mick and the program. I've hated X my entire life especially the David West years My biggest concern is the quality of players we are bringing into the Big East. I understand X has had a great NCAA run the past 5 years but I hate seeing the crosstown enemy bringing in better players. Honestly, I havent missed a game (on TV I have to admit) in 4 years. I guess I stand alone on the importance of bringing big time players to our school. I know Mick is trying his best but im not so sure combo guards are the bigggest need for us. No offense to either of these two kids. They may just be the foundation commits to the class Im not real sure.

And which players on X are better than ours? Jordan Crawford. Sure but he stayed 1 year. Only 1. Tu Holloway...maybe although let's see how Cashmere finishes out next season. Mark Lyons...no. They got 2 years out of him because he's an a-hole. Factoring that in is part of recruiting. Who else is hands down better than UC's better recruits. Can't think of anyone else.

 

[Gotcha23]

what about SK? you dont think he is Big East good? Jaquon Parker has done pretty well for himself hasn't he?

Both of them have done a great job. SK is my second favorite on the team.

Here is my issue. If we could have landed a few guys like Kemba, Scotty Hopson(bruce takes the blame) or Teague this program would be top ten in the country. I understand the coaches he is recruiting against are tough but is that really a valid excuse? Im not real fond of the term "development" program. Im not trying to bash anyone im simply stating that Mick is a great coach but I sometimes doubt his recruiting.

 

[Gotcha23]

And which players on X are better than ours? Jordan Crawford. Sure but he stayed 1 year. Only 1. Tu Holloway...maybe although let's see how Cashmere finishes out next season. Mark Lyons...no. They got 2 years out of him because he's an a-hole. Factoring that in is part of recruiting. Who else is hands down better than UC's better recruits. Can't think of anyone else.

Crawford, Wells, Lyons, Tu were the biggest ones I was thinking of. The last two years they've brought in 5 four star recruits.

 

[TheLongHaul]

I'm with you in wanting UC to improve their recruiting but Xavier's recruiting has not been very good lately. And I'm not sure what 4* recruits they have brought in during the last two years. Wells was one and is a very solid player. The year before Martin was a 4* but he was also a partial qualifier and that means that a Big East school, or really any power conference, couldn't accept him.

Their 2009 class was only Jeff Robinson. Their 2010 class consisted of Griffin McKenzie, Justin Martin, Jordan Lantham, and Jay Canty. The only one that hasn't transferred is Martin. Their 2011 class included Wells, Dee Davis, and Jalen Reynolds. Reynolds didn't qualify and Dee Davis is just average.

Xavier recruiting appears solid because they have made headlines getting guys that have no chance of making it. Remember Michael Chandler? Sim Bhullar? Chris Thomas has zero chance of playing at Xavier.

 

[Gotcha23]

I'm with you in wanting UC to improve their recruiting but Xavier's recruiting has not been very good lately. And I'm not sure what 4* recruits they have brought in during the last two years. Wells was one and is a very solid player. The year before Martin was a 4* but he was also a partial qualifier and that means that a Big East school, or really any power conference, couldn't accept him.

Their 2009 class was only Jeff Robinson. Their 2010 class consisted of Griffin McKenzie, Justin Martin, Jordan Lantham, and Jay Canty. The only one that hasn't transferred is Martin. Their 2011 class included Wells, Dee Davis, and Jalen Reynolds. Reynolds didn't qualify and Dee Davis is just average.

Xavier recruiting appears solid because they have made headlines getting guys that have no chance of making it. Remember Michael Chandler? Sim Bhullar? Chris Thomas has zero chance of playing at Xavier.

Dee Davis was a 4* recruit but you make a strong point. The 2010 class fell apart. Well said.

 

[bearcat18]

Yeah I wish Mick would have recruited those great 4 stars in Canty, Latham, Martin, and Davis. Look where Canty and Latham transferred too - that's all you need to see. Martin is always in the doghouse because of his defense and effort - no thanks. I won't write off Dee Davis yet because I think there is a chance he could be good. But he's still a 5"10' PG with limited offense. Give me the two 6"3' guards Mick just got.

Maybe you want Mick to recruits transfers from low-major schools every year? Schools like Towson, Monmouth, Western Michigan, Tulsa? That's a joke IMO.

 

[mplebanon]

I always thought Tu Holloway was somewhat overrated. Probably because of the competition he faced in the A-10. If he'd been a Big East PG, he would have been average, not great. But he looked good playing in the A-10.

I really think Xavier is going to go downhill with Mack at the helm. I think he's in over his head. I also think he doesn't have the cahunas to lead that program and discipline trouble players.

As for UC, I don't get the complaints. Huggins was doing the one and done thing in his last many years at UC. Mick is coming off two sweet sixteens. And I'm not into the whole one and done player thing like Calipari does and other coaches do. I like continuity and watching players develop. I really have no respect for UK basically buying a championship. Those guys should have been in the NBA, not at UK. What a crock.

I think it will pay off for Mick eventually recruiting 4 year players.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Agree with most of what you said but Huggins wasn't ever really doing the one and done thing. He rarely had one and done players because of talent. Now one and done because of off-the-court situations is a different story.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Crawford, Wells, Lyons, Tu were the biggest ones I was thinking of. The last two years they've brought in 5 four star recruits.

The recruiting ranking are skewed to a certain degree ie. there is no way one recruiting ranking service can see every player across the country and evaluate.

I don't care about X or their recruiting or even using them as a benchmark and basically I don't understand why anyone would. UC plays in a big 6 conference and has a better tradition overall.The turnover on the coaching staff and with players is alarming over in Norwood.

If you want to play the rankings game, Darnell Wilks and Biggie were 4* recruits, how good were they? Role players at best. Yancy, Cash and Shaq Thomas all 4*, Mike Williams and Lance both 5*.

Bottom line is you have to trust Mick. He has been close to scoring some major recruiting coups, getting in on guys early and has been the bridesmaid more than the bride, that is the nature of recruiting, you lose more than you win. I believe that Caupain will blow up this summer and he has already interest from a couple top 30 players in the next couple recruiting classes and one has already visited the other was slated tobut didn't make it. I believe that Mick has an eye for talent even if the ranking services don't say so. Mick will get us there, just take the rankings with a grain of salt.

 

[Gnomey]

I'm concerned with the inability to recruit a true point guard or big.
This front court is getting hilariously thin.