Mick a Candidate for UNLV?

[WAITE HOYT 2]

you don't have to be ashamed to be semi-retired and working at a municipal airport.

LMAO!!! I like your sense of humor. Retired military, empty nester with obviously way to much time on his hands. Don't work at the airport.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

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Waite...I realize there is a bigger budget when getting in P5 because of profit sharing. However, my question was how have all the teams faired with this new windfall of cash? Rutgers, WV, Pitt, Syracuse, etc (compared to UC). Louisville has always had a bigger budget than us because they are the only game in town. They were doing well before leaving for P5 and are doing well after.

What I am waiting to see is all of these schools that were not in P5 and now are...we should be able to see significant improvements in their sports because their budgets and conference affiliation should allow for better recruiting etc.

How they have fared entails many factors except finance. That is the point. Having money Is no guarantee but it is a huge asset. Sustainable success will be almost impossible to have without the necessary funds to make it happen. Are their exceptions to the rule, yes but really all you have to do is look at the teams playing late in the tourney. See any familiar faces? Of course you do and they ain't worried about money.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

we have a good product on the court. It may not be up to our standards which cracks me up because we haven't won a title in over 50 years but it is a very good product. And yes I want more. Bringing in better recruits will help with our style. As a coach you play to the strengths of the guys at your disposal. Mick gets a bunch out of his talent. I'm not saying he is perfect but he is a good coach. A new arena and a plane will open the doors that will hopefully give us access to better recruits. Again that is the debate. Some think it won't matter and it will be same old same and some think it does mater and will be different. All I can tell you is that most of the teams currently playing for the title are not worrying about facilities upgrades or their coach is flying commercial to recruit. Look I'm not in favor of firing Mick at this time. I think he operates with one hand tied behind his back and does quite well. If we get the upgrades and things don't change I will be leading the way on here to have him replaced. Until then he is my choice. I'm 63 the nexypt two years should be good teams I'm not liking the idea of players leaving and starting over with a up and comer. As I said I was here for the 24 years between Jucker and Huggins. At my age I'm not taking that chance. Give Mick the upgrades the next coach would need them as well. If he doesn't produce fire him. End of story.

Again, everything you are bringing up is legitimate. But it still confuses me how guys like Sanders, DeBerry, and McClain "don't really fit our style". But neither do the uber-athletic guys like Guyn, Johnson, Thomas, or Wilks.

 

[waterhead]

How they have fared entails many factors except finance. That is the point. Having money Is no guarantee but it is a huge asset. Sustainable success will be almost impossible to have without the necessary funds to make it happen. Are their exceptions to the rule, yes but really all you have to do is look at the teams playing late in the tourney. See any familiar faces? Of course you do and they ain't worried about money.

They may not be worried about money but it didn't come about because they were in P5. Many of the teams have a DEEP rich history like KY, KS, NC, etc. Others got there because they had a great coach which created a rabid fan base Coach K, Izzo, Calhoun, Boheim.

We had a pretty rabid fan base when Huggins was here. I just don't think the P5 affiliation is what is driving most of this. Will it help? Sure. Is it an excuse? I don't think it's as big of an excuse as it's being made out to be.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Again, everything you are bringing up is legitimate. But it still confuses me how guys like Sanders, DeBerry, and McClain "don't really fit our style". But neither do the uber-athletic guys like Guyn, Johnson, Thomas, or Wilks.

recruiting is not a exact science I guess. Lots of moving parts. Also lots of shady going ons.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

They may not be worried about money but it didn't come about because they were in P5. Many of the teams have a DEEP rich history like KY, KS, NC, etc. Others got there because they had a great coach which created a rabid fan base Coach K, Izzo, Calhoun, Boheim.

We had a pretty rabid fan base when Huggins was here. I just don't think the P5 affiliation is what is driving most of this. Will it help? Sure. Is it an excuse? I don't think it's as big of an excuse as it's being made out to be.

WH do you think the world has changed in the last 20 years? Do you think the landscape of college athletics have changed in the last 20 years. Money is driving the train more now then ever before. For Christ sakes they are talking about paying college athletes. My perdiction is in the next 10 years college athletes will be a job. Just look at the networks. Sports apparel companies. Nike and UA for goodness sakes are huge factors in were kids go. Brother I wish things were as simple as when I was a kid but they are not unfortunitely. Oh I'm not trying to sound like we shouldn't hold Mick accountable. We should but it always helps to understand and identify what we will use as the standard. I also will tell you to look at he numbers. There are exceptions no doubt. But this is still the haves and have nots. The only sport that isn't is NFL football and they have a salary cap to keep it competitive. Funny they are the ones doing the best financially if they survive all the law suits from head injuries. Self, Cronin,Williams, Smart,Few, Isszoand two others I can't recall have been to the dance in the last 6 years. Not bad company to be in for a guy that many want to fire.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Mick and Bohn supposed to meet today. From a fans perspective I hope Mick gets what he wants. I honestly believe that is in the best interest of the program. As mentioned the next guy will need those same things regardless. Plus I want to see what the returning players can deliver the next two years.

 

[Bcatfollower]

They may not be worried about money but it didn't come about because they were in P5. Many of the teams have a DEEP rich history like KY, KS, NC, etc. Others got there because they had a great coach which created a rabid fan base Coach K, Izzo, Calhoun, Boheim.

We had a pretty rabid fan base when Huggins was here. I just don't think the P5 affiliation is what is driving most of this. Will it help? Sure. Is it an excuse? I don't think it's as big of an excuse as it's being made out to be.

I agree, i mean look at the bottom halves of most of the P5 conferences. They money helps but there are so many schools who get the money but still are failures.

 

[waterhead]

WH do you think the world has changed in the last 20 years? Do you think the landscape of college athletics have changed in the last 20 years. Money is driving the train more now then ever before. Just look at the networks. Sports apparel companies. Nike and UA for goodness sakes are huge in were kids go. Brother I wish things were as simple as when I was a kid but they are not unfortunitely. Oh I'm not trying to sound like we shouldn't hold Mick accountable. We should but it always helps to understand and identify what we will use as the standard. I also will tell you to look at he numbers. There are exceptions no doubt. But this is still the haves and have nots. The only sport that isn't is football and they have a salary cap to keep it competitive. Funny they are the ones doing the best financially if they survive all the law suits from head injuries.

Of course I think it's changed...but that doesn't answer my question. The P5 affiliation may have improved the budget for teams like Rutgers, WV, Pitt, Syracuse etc...but how has that translated to success for the program or recruiting is what I want to know?

I saw a report on pre vs post realignment and net affect on recruiting (this was football) for 3 schools that left the Beast. WV posted better results post alignment while Pitt and Syracuse posted worse results post alignment. Net gain for the 3 schools combined was roughly exactly a wash. There was 5 years pre and post data.

As of right now I think P5 is a non issue. I think it will be a huge issue in the future as it continues to play out but I don't think it's holding us back one single bit in terms of recruiting and results on the floor.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I agree, i mean look at the bottom halves of most of the P5 conferences. They money helps but there are so many schools who get the money but still are failures.

as I pointed out there are always exceptions but the numbers will tell you the haves are overwhelmingly more successful. People we are probably a short period away from college athletes being paid employees. THey have already tired to organize themselves as a bargaining unit. What we are seeing with the networks and the apparel companies is just the tip of the iceberg. This is big business. It is not a sport anymore. Trying to compare now to 20 years ago is not practicle or possible. Why do you think the p-5 was formed? Why do you think we are desperate to join? People follow trends in gambling. This shouldn't be that hard to understand

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Of course I think it's changed...but that doesn't answer my question. The P5 affiliation may have improved the budget for teams like Rutgers, WV, Pitt, Syracuse etc...but how has that translated to success for the program or recruiting is what I want to know?

I saw a report on pre vs post realignment and net affect on recruiting (this was football) for 3 schools that left the Beast. WV posted better results post alignment while Pitt and Syracuse posted worse results post alignment. Net gain for the 3 schools combined was roughly exactly a wash. There was 5 years pre and post data.

As of right now I think P5 is a non issue. I think it will be a huge issue in the future as it continues to play out but I don't think it's holding us back one single bit in terms of recruiting and results on the floor.

The budget alone gives them a advantage. Those aren't poor athletic departments in the sweet 16 for the most part. You see any poor small schools playing for the NCAA football championship. The teams you referenced are playing with all the big dogs now. Before long we may be squeezed right out of the big time if we are not p5. There are plenty more changed coming

 

[waterhead]

The budget alone gives them a advantage. Those aren't poor athletic departments in the sweet 16 for the most part. You see any poor small schools playing for the NCAA football championship. The teams you referenced are playing with all the big dogs now. Before long we may be squeezed right out of the big time if we are not p5. There are plenty more changed coming

I am not talking about whether or not we want to be in P5. I am asking what empirical data can show that it has affected recruiting for our school or the others who have joined recently? WV, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, etc.

We keep hearing we can't get to the next level until we join P5 and get new amenities. But I have literally seen no data to suggest that is true RIGHT NOW. Maybe in the future it will be....but right now I think it's just an excuse.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I am not talking about whether or not we want to be in P5. I am asking what empirical data can show that it has affected recruiting for our school or the others who have joined recently? WV, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, etc.

We keep hearing we can't get to the next level until we join P5 and get new amenities. But I have literally seen no data to suggest that is true RIGHT NOW. Maybe in the future it will be....but right now I think it's just an excuse.

Matters even less in basketball too.

 

[JasonS]

I am not talking about whether or not we want to be in P5. I am asking what empirical data can show that it has affected recruiting for our school or the others who have joined recently? WV, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, etc.

We keep hearing we can't get to the next level until we join P5 and get new amenities. But I have literally seen no data to suggest that is true RIGHT NOW. Maybe in the future it will be....but right now I think it's just an excuse.

It's about the money available to the athletic budget and specifically basketball. That's the difference. How you use that money matters but you can't spend what you don't have.

 

[waterhead]

It's about the money available to the athletic budget and specifically basketball. That's the difference. How you use that money matters but you can't spend what you don't have.

I completely understand that. I'm just asking how it's affected our recruiting and others that have joined P5 recently that were not previously in a P5 conference. IE: Can we show how ours has been negatively impacted or others like Rutgers, WV, Syracuse, and Pitt been positively impacted by the affiliation or lack thereof. I understand it COULD impact...but has it? In the future I think it's going to matter a lot...I just don't see the effects right now.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Mark Anderson ✔ ‎@markanderson65
The longer this goes the less likely Cronin goes to UNLV. Expect Rebels to cut him loose if he doesn't decide soon. #UNLVmbb #RJnow


So basically UNLV is about to dump him and we'll be back to square one. Might as well start the Pitt thread soon...

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Mick and Bohn supposed to meet today. From a fans perspective I hope Mick gets what he wants. I honestly believe that is in the best interest of the program. As mentioned the next guy will need those same things regardless. Plus I want to see what the returning players can deliver the next two years.

What's your angle here? Seems to logical.

 

[westsidecat]

Mark Anderson ✔ ‎@markanderson65
The longer this goes the less likely Cronin goes to UNLV. Expect Rebels to cut him loose if he doesn't decide soon. #UNLVmbb #RJnow


So basically UNLV is about to dump him and we'll be back to square one. Might as well start the Pitt thread soon...

Idk man. Unlv has to much on the line. I think they will let it play out. Just hope it's today regardless.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

What's your angle here? Seems to logical.

No angle brother. Just want the team to stay enact for at least next two hears

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

It's over...

Santa J. Ono ‏@PrezOno 2m2 minutes ago
I am thrilled to say Mick Cronin will remain our coach at the University of Cincinnati.