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The gesturing that Mick Cronin is doing in the picture above is the same that I'm doing right now towards the UC administration. The coaching carousel is starting to spin round and round. One of the names mentioned at Oklahoma, and NC State has been Mick Cronin. It seems like there have been a hundred names mentioned for the Oklahoma job, from Buzz Williams, to Lon Kruger, to Josh Pastner, to John Wooden, and John Wooden is dead. Neither school has been overly vocal about Cronin, but those in the know have mentioned that his name has been brought up. Another job just might have opened up at Purdue. There are seats available, and our coach has had his name thrown out to take one of them.

The hiring of Matt Painter by Missouri struck me as very interesting. Painter was a Purdue guy through and through. He went to Purdue. He left Southern Illinois to be a bench coach for a season under Gene Keady for a season before taking over the job. He coached his dream job. Purdue was down when Painter took over, 7-21. Within 2 seasons, Painter took the Boilermakers back to the NCAA tournament, where they have been a staple. The problem seems to be that Purdue didn't give him everything he wanted that came with the rebuilding of the program. Painter reportedly is getting 7 years, 13 mill from Missouri. That's a nice chunk of change if you can get it. It seems to be a lateral job for Painter. Maybe a little worse depending on how you feel about basketball in Indiana. I'm 100% speaking out of my ass here, but it seems that the problem has been the commitment to being a winner by Purdue. Boilermaker fans have watched Indiana go to the Final Four back in 2002. They have watched Butler go to back to back Final Fours. With the Hoosiers seemingly back on the upswing, it seems like Purdue is the forgotten child of Indiana hoops.

Cincinnati basketball has a lot of similarities to Purdue lately. Obviously the past 20 years or so the tradition has been more towards Cincinnati. The past 5 have been towards Purdue. Mick Cronin rebuilt Cincinnati from basically nothing. His wins improved every season. He started bringing in some top flight recruits like Lance Stephenson. He has a top 25 class coming in next year. He got the Bearcats back to the NCAA tournament and won a game. Cronin went to UC. He coached under Bob Huggins. He famously went to Louisville to get more pedigree as a head coach. Once he was a coach, Cronin came back to Cincinnati, no shit. Like Painter probably did, Cronin wants a committment to basketball by the UC administration. Just like Matt Painter, I think Mick will leave if he doesn't get it.

The UC administration is in a place where they are defining the direction of Cincinnati athletics the next 10 years. That sounds very dramatic, but I think it's a sound statement. Matt from DTD wrote a piece about how Mike Thomas and the administration have a mid major mentality that's really hurting things. I couldn't agree more. The best thing Brian Kelly did when he was coach of the Bearcats is raise the bar. He looked around and said "This should be better, so it's going to be better." When his name was mentioned for jobs, he publicly said what he expected UC to do. Hell, he publicly said what he wanted UC to do no matter what. He made UC change. He pushed for the Jefferson Ave sports complex. UC dragged it's feet about moving up to the middle time from the small time. Now, Mick wants the same commitment to basketball. He wants better practice facilities. He wants a bigger budget. He may want a new arena. It seems the main thing he wants is for UC basketball to go from being uc basketball when he came, to UC BASKETBALL now. That's something that I can get behind. That's something you can get behind. But, that doesn't seem to be something that the administration wants to get behind. I know I keep saying the administration, making them the straw man in this piece, but aren't they? Yes, they are. Thank you for agreeing. What we have here is a coach that wants to make things bigger and better. On the other side, we have a group of people who want to do the same, but not if it costs them too much money. It's the old classic college tale that sees coaches come and coaches go. That sees ADs come, and ADs go. It's the same song and dance that it seems everyone goes through. Now that it's happening at Cincinnati, something has to be done to stop it.

Mick Cronin has his share of detractors. There are people who think he couldn't spell offense let alone coach it. There are people wary of his game plans and halftime adjustments. There are people who think he doesn't get the most out of his players. Those people were quieted this season for the most part. Except on the offense part, that we can all agree on is horrible. Mick Cronin has his share of defenders. He may not coach offense, but he can get enough of it to win games because of the defense. This season, the guys played hard in every game but one (looking at you West Virginia). He took a team that no one thought was that great, and got them to believe they were, and win 11 games in the Big East. Do I think that Mick Cronin is a coach that will get you to the Final Four? No, I don't. Do I think he's a coach that can get you to the Sweet 16? Yes. Do I think he can coach a team to the Big East title? No. Do I think he can coach a team to a double bye? Yes. I don't think Mick Cronin is an elite coach, but I think he's turning into a very good coach. I think he's earned the opportunity to try and blossom to a Final Four coach at UC. I think he's earned the opportunity to try and win the Big East at Cincinnati. I also think that he's earned the right to reap the benefits of having success at UC. One of those successes is getting other job offers. If someone makes the right offer, I don't think Mick would think twice about taking it. Mick wants to be the best coach he can be. That's why he went to Louisville. He wanted more. He wanted to be a head coach. That opportunity came. He wants the opportunity to be a coach at a big time program. He's got that opportunity at Cincinnati. Raising the budget and upgrading the facilities are things that are going to happen in the future. The future is now. Mick has earned a little bit of security. He's earned his place. UC is turning the corner into being a Big East contender for the first time. Letting Mick Cronin walk at this point would be a great mistake. Butch Jones said it in the ESPN interview I linked to yesterday, continuity is a key part of college athletics. Look around the Big East. Calhoun, Boeheim, Pitino, Dixon, Wright, Thompson, they've all been at their schools and built winning programs. Bob Huggins built a winner at Cincinnati. It can be done. We've seen what happens when UC drags it's feet on a decision, it kills the program. It can not happen again. Not when the program is off the mat. Make it happen Mike Thomas, keep UC rolling.

http://bearcatsblog.com/2011-articles/march/uc-needs-to-keep-cronin.html
 
These constant speculative post in regards to Cronin's offers and destinations are so amusing. Half of the posters spent all season trumping up the fact that Cronin is such a Cincinnati guy and will never leave unless he is pushed out. Then these same posters come at seasons end with the "well if he leaves, can you blame him?" lines. Cronin is a climber plain and simple. He does have some good qualities I am sure, but loyalty is not one of them. Also, Longhaul called it right. Cronin does have the responsibility to assist in the sell of the program. This 99% claim to the contrary is bloody hogwash. While Coach Knight spent time at IU, no one was more involved with potential donors than he. Pitino is the same way. Huggins ran a camp for youth during the summer months and spent most of that time chatting with and getting to know the wallets, known as parents. I have had many discussions over the years with Coach Kelly, Coach Minter, and presently Coach Jones. They all have been very open and accommodating to those who pass their way or ask for a moment of their time. While I have never met, let alone sought out Cronin, it is obvious that he does not share the attributes of his peer in that arena. There still are things he could do which are less alien to him. Cronin just chooses not to do them. It is part of his job. He just refuses to do it.
 
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These constant speculative post in regards to Cronin's offers and destinations are so amusing. Half of the posters spent all season trumping up the fact that Cronin is such a Cincinnati guy and will never leave unless he is pushed out. Then these same posters come at seasons end with the "well if he leaves, can you blame him?" lines. Cronin is a climber plain and simple. He does have some good qualities I am sure, but loyalty is not one of them. Also, Longhaul called it right. Cronin does have the responsibility to assist in the sell of the program. This 99% claim to the contrary is bloody hogwash. While Coach Knight spent time at IU, no one was more involved with potential donors than he. Pitino is the same way. Huggins ran a camp for youth during the summer months and spent most of that time chatting with and getting to know the wallets, known as parents. I have had many discussions over the years with Coach Kelly, Coach Minter, and presently Coach Jones. They all have been very open and accommodating to those who pass their way or ask for a moment of their time. While I have never met, let alone sought out Cronin, it is obvious that he does not share the attributes of his peer in that arena. There still are things he could do which are less alien to him. Cronin just chooses not to do them. It is part of his job. He just refuses to do it.
Cronin is a climber? lol I stopped reading after that doozy of a line... someone needs to let go of their grudge for him leaving for the assistant's spot at UofL so many years ago now.
 
Exactly. That's when I stopped reading too.

Well, that is too bad, because despite the questionable comments early, it had some decent points.

Honestly, I'm done with being worried if a coach will leave or not. If he goes, he goes and UC moves on. The program and the school is bigger than a coach, isn't it? ;)
 
Honestly, I'm done with being worried if a coach will leave or not. If he goes, he goes and UC moves on. The program and the school is bigger than a coach, isn't it? ;)

Anyone that would post an ignorant post such as this is clearly one of two things: misinformed or flat out unintelligent.

Everyone realizes what a tenuous place the program is in right now. The athletic department is still up to it's eyeballs in debt. The team finally had a successful season and a return to the NCAA tournament and we've got a solid recruiting class coming in. Lose Cronin and you lose the recruiting class and all the momentum from this season. And UC is NOT in a position to go through what it went through the past five years all over again.
 
Anyone that would post an ignorant post such as this is clearly one of two things: misinformed or flat out unintelligent.

Everyone realizes what a tenuous place the program is in right now. The athletic department is still up to it's eyeballs in debt. The team finally had a successful season and a return to the NCAA tournament and we've got a solid recruiting class coming in. Lose Cronin and you lose the recruiting class and all the momentum from this season. And UC is NOT in a position to go through what it went through the past five years all over again.


Thanks for the laugh.

You sit there all worried and see what good it does. I never said I want to lose him at this point, just that I have no control, so I'm not going to worry about it anymore. Thanks Coach Kelly for teaching me that lesson.
 
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Cronin is a climber? lol I stopped reading after that doozy of a line... someone needs to let go of their grudge for him leaving for the assistant's spot at UofL so many years ago now.

There is really no grudge he holds, unlike myself. He was simply stating a fact that Cronin, like 9 out of 10 coaches, could be considered climbers per definition. Better pay, better recognition bring on the moving van for most. That is why most get into the field IMO. Cronin has a track record of the above trait so it is fair to call it as it is seen. My husband believes that puting false hope in Cronin's percieved loyality to the program is foolish at best. He will stay in Clifton if that is the best offer he recieves. I share that opinion. Better pay, more recognition from another program and Cronin is gone in his opinion and mine.
 
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There is really no grudge he holds, unlike myself. He was simply stating a fact that Cronin, like 9 out of 10 coaches, could be considered climbers per definition. Better pay, better recognition bring on the moving van for most. That is why most get into the field IMO. Cronin has a track record of the above trait so it is fair to call it as it is seen. My husband believes that puting false hope in Cronin's percieved loyality to the program is foolish at best. He will stay in Clifton if that is the best offer he recieves. I share that opinion. Better pay, more recognition from another program and Cronin is gone in his opinion and mine.

Funny comment. One month ago at Cincinnati.com you gave up your Bearcat fandom, you stated you were done as a UC fan, so all of your comments must be taken with a big grain of salt. Mick will be UC's head coach for many, many more years.
 
There is really no grudge he holds, unlike myself. He was simply stating a fact that Cronin, like 9 out of 10 coaches, could be considered climbers per definition. Better pay, better recognition bring on the moving van for most. That is why most get into the field IMO. Cronin has a track record of the above trait so it is fair to call it as it is seen. My husband believes that puting false hope in Cronin's percieved loyality to the program is foolish at best. He will stay in Clifton if that is the best offer he recieves. I share that opinion. Better pay, more recognition from another program and Cronin is gone in his opinion and mine.

It's one thing to leave UC for a better opportunity when you are an assistant....an assistant for a head coach who did not and still does not have any significant track record of sending assistants into head coaching jobs.

It is a far different thing to leave UC when you are the head coach and want to be here for the long haul. If the university steps up in terms of basketball budget and long term facility upgrades Mick will be here no matter how determined you are to see the opposite.
 
It's one thing to leave UC for a better opportunity when you are an assistant....an assistant for a head coach who did not and still does not have any significant track record of sending assistants into head coaching jobs.

It is a far different thing to leave UC when you are the head coach and want to be here for the long haul. If the university steps up in terms of basketball budget and long term facility upgrades Mick will be here no matter how determined you are to see the opposite.

I agree 100% with what you said.

I find it funny that some people want so bad for Cronin to be gone they will say anything no matter how ridiculous it is. Shoot, look at BCL on twitter. Their latest post is:

BearcatLair
#Mizzou and #NCState both interested in #Cincinnati head coach Mick Cronin. Delay in getting extension done could cost #bearcats their coach

Can you say a little bit of sensationalism? Somebody must really be struggling for memberships.
 
Mick Cronin will be the Cincinnati Bearcat Head Coach. "If" things fell apart look to the ACC school not Missouri to have a leg up. UC and Mick are working thru things. As I said ealier when all this surfaced, it's not all about money. It's about resources and timelines as well. They'll find a happy place.
 
There is really no grudge he holds, unlike myself. He was simply stating a fact that Cronin, like 9 out of 10 coaches, could be considered climbers per definition. Better pay, better recognition bring on the moving van for most. That is why most get into the field IMO. Cronin has a track record of the above trait so it is fair to call it as it is seen. My husband believes that puting false hope in Cronin's percieved loyality to the program is foolish at best. He will stay in Clifton if that is the best offer he recieves. I share that opinion. Better pay, more recognition from another program and Cronin is gone in his opinion and mine.

This line of thinking absolutely drives me nuts!! Please tell me how many coaches aren't climbers? They all start somewhere and move on and up. Some do find homes and stay but it is after they "climb" to get there.

Bob Huggins has had four head coaching positions in D1 basketball alone. Is he a climber for leaving K State for West Virginia? Damn Coach K for leaving his assistants job at Indiana, and quitting on Army!! Climbers I say! What does one do in his career? He works to obtain better opportunity, better pay, and more stable conditions for his family. On one level or another we are all climbers JP. This line of thought is so narrow minded and applies to everyone at some point in their coaching career. It's really a juvenile line of thought and petty when you place somebody in a derogatory category, regardless of profession for trying to further their career. Especially when they are doing nothing morally wrong to get there.
 
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This line of thinking absolutely drives me nuts!! Please tell me how many coaches aren't climbers? They all start somewhere and move on and up. Some do find homes and stay but it is after they "climb" to get there.

Bob Huggins has had four head coaching positions in D1 basketball alone. Is he a climber for leaving K State for West Virginia? Damn Coach K for leaving his assistants job at Indiana, and quitting on Army!! Climbers I say! What does one do in his career? He works to obtain better opportunity, better pay, and more stable conditions for his family. On one level or another we are all climbers JP. This line of thought is so narrow minded and applies to everyone at some point in their coaching career. It's really a juvenile line of thought and petty when you place somebody in a derogatory category, regardless of profession for trying to further their career. Especially when they are doing nothing morally wrong to get there.

Jeff, please read all of my post in its entirety before you tear it apart. I stated that 9 out of 10 coaches would be considered climbers by said definition. It was not a knock on Cronin at all. There are a few who chose to make an area their final destination, but those coaches are rare these days. I simply see Cronin as one of the 9 who chase the better offer. Due to his refusal to engage the community and his past actions, I feel it is a fair assumption and wise to not count on perceived loyalty that, IMO, is not there. I think he will be, and deserves to be, in Clifton another season if the offer it right. But the offer overplays loyalty with him hands down IMO.

One thing I do appreciate, and this has been brought up, is the absence of the coaching merry-go-round in Clifton. I have never enjoyed that. We would rather have had 5 years of Cronin than 5 years of 5 coaches in and out. I just cant get past some things though (wish it had been Kansas or Duke instead of Louisville). Its my vice and, according to some on here, am the only one within a 700 mile radius who bears it. I am not perfect I guess lol.
 
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Jeff, please read all of my post in its entirety before you tear it apart. I stated that 9 out of 10 coaches would be considered climbers by said definition. It was not a knock on Cronin at all. There are a few who chose to make an area their final destination, but those coaches are rare these days. I simply see Cronin as one of the 9 who chase the better off. Due to his refusal to engage the community and his past actions, I feel it is a fair assumption.

I read it all. It's laughable because they are all climbers1
 
I read it all. It's laughable because they are all climbers1

Not all. I can name a dozen easily who are not, starting with Coach K, Coach Chaney, Coach Thompson, and Coach Knight to name a few. Coach Donovan seems to be made of that same mold but its early in his career. We will see. It is sadly true that they are a dying breed however. All we see now are the Caliparis.
 
Not all. I can name a dozen easily who are not, starting with Coach K, Coach Chaney, Coach Thompson, and Coach Knight to name a few. Coach Donovan seems to be made of that same mold but its early in his career. We will see. It is sadly true that they are a dying breed however. All we see now are the Caliparis.

Funny I remember Coach K being a Bob Knight assistant. I remember he coached Army. He climbed his way to Duke. Don't confuse finding a great situation with not being a climber. Everybody gets where they're going from somewhere else.
 
Not all. I can name a dozen easily who are not, starting with Coach K, Coach Chaney, Coach Thompson, and Coach Knight to name a few. Coach Donovan seems to be made of that same mold but its early in his career. We will see. It is sadly true that they are a dying breed however. All we see now are the Caliparis.

No one gets a big time college coaching job without being an assistant under a respected coach and a head coach at a mid major type of school especially in today's coaching environment. That's the way it is. It's just like you can't walk out of school and be a manager, VP, Pres, or CEP at a major company. You have to put in your dues and prove your worth. Just the way it is.
 
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