Mississippi State

[Jon Rycek]

I don’t think he is a good shooter but I am sure people will tell me he should shoot more 3s. Cumberland

So Cumberland is not a good shooter?

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Good win last night. Team played hard, especially on the defensive side. Still alot of things to figure out and clean up but hopefully we see last night's effort every game. Especially from Evans. Hopefully a step in the right direction.

 

[cincyguy13]

So Cumberland is not a good shooter?

I would say average

 

[cincyguy13]

So Cumberland is not a good shooter?

Better as a slasher/ creator. His shot is similar to Lonzo ball. Weird form, hard to get off unless he is wide open. Hard for him to shoot pull up jumpers

 

[BearcatsNE]

You and others keep saying Cane turns the ball over way to much he’s at 2 turnovers per game. So where’s all these turnovers you are referring to? Some of the best guards on top 25 teams averages more and they seems to have little trouble being successful so do they have any problems. This team will be fine they just have to play and play care free without fear of making mistakes. If that happens look out.

Im a positive person, especially when it comes to players. I usually can see through to the positives about players. But so far if I had to recap each players play so far, most are negative.

Gary Clark: I can't say anything bad about Gary, but I also don't think he's adjusted well to being the center of attention for teams defenses. He works hard. I just don't think we can be great if we play exclusively through the post

Cane Broome: He can get in the lane when he wants to; but he doesn't do it enough or tries and makes a silly mistake. His passes still aren't crisp and sometimses the offense gets stagnent if he is running the point. TO's the ball over way too much to be the PG this team needs. is he a winning player?

Jacob Evans: He seems to only be aggressive when we are down 5-10 points. Still doesn't take people off the dribble nearly enough and is actually shooting worse on Wide open jumpers than contested ones. He is turning the ball over way too much and is just not aggressive enough. Example: Against Florida, he makes a steal and then gets blocked at the rim but recovers the rebound and is left open for a wide open 3. Instead of busting it, he tries to throw a pass to Jarron and gets its stolen. Any other aggressive NBA prospects wing scorer would have shot the 3. Unselfish to a fault.

Jarron Cumberland: I'm going to assume something did happen in the off season because he isn't focused at all. Still scores when he wants to; and he was the guy I thought had the killer instinct. But he is not attacking and trying to punk opposing defenses.

Kyle Washington: Teams are figuring out that they just need to crowd him and he will make a mistake. He is where opposing defenses choose to attack first.


Nysier Brooks: Everyone was saying that Brooks should start over Kyle and yet I don't think Brooks would start on many good teams in the country. He is soft around the rim. Doesn't protect the ball then gets rebounds ripped from his hands by smaller guys. Cannot score.


Trevon Scott: I like what Scott does for this team. he comes in and works and hustles and does what we can to impact the game. But the reality is that him, Nsesome & brooks provide nothing offensively. His work ethic doesn't go unappreciated though

Justin Jenifer: I wanted to believe in JJ and still hold out hope he is servicable but he is just outmatched against better teams. He can't make a 3 against good compeition but can against Alabama state. Not sure if its a confidence thing or what, but if you can make them respect you and your not great at getting in the lane, teams can just sag off him and take away anything he has to offer. My guess is that Logan johnson steals his playing time next year. And it pains me to say that about him. he worked his ass off. But being 5'8 in high major basketball is tough



For me, this team feels A LOT like Xavier last year. Xavier had PG and Chemistry problem even though they started the year top 10. Sumner attacked when he should have passed and vice versa. It took them a long while to figure it out. and they struggled in every big non conference game. UC is in the same boat.

Xavier now has a past first PG and their chemistry is off the charts. They look like a well oiled machine. We need to correct our chemistry problems ASAP, i just worry that you can't fix the PG problem.


And i haven't given up on the season. But I am worried.

 

[BearcatsNE]

And let’s not get into the Troy vs Cane vs Justin thing. These kids genuinely love each other like real brothers do. The only want the best for each other honestly. This team have an unbreakable bond.

honestly cronin has treated it like it was broome vs caupain. jenifer hadn't earned the right. he hadn't proven anything.


unfortunately for us jenifer is what he has been in the past. fine against really bad teams, nowhere near good enough against solid teams. a 10-15 minute player at best. and that has nothing to do with broome.

 

[Jon Rycek]

Better as a slasher/ creator. His shot is similar to Lonzo ball. Weird form, hard to get off unless he is wide open. Hard for him to shoot pull up jumpers

Lol

 

[waterhead]

I would say average

I think he's average to good...but in terms of UC players he's very good. I guess that isn't saying a lot when #5 on the career percentage list is around 37 percent. Cumberland is currently at 36 percent.

Cronin I don't think has had a single player with 100 makes and above 36 percent.

Evans...if he keeps up his pace from last year and this year will end up as a great UC shooter. He could easily finish top 3.

We are forgetting how bad it's been. Now we have a guy like Moore coming in as well. We have some shooters. They are good.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

You and others keep saying Cane turns the ball over way to much he’s at 2 turnovers per game. So where’s all these turnovers you are referring to? Some of the best guards on top 25 teams averages more and they seems to have little trouble being successful so do they have any problems. This team will be fine they just have to play and play care free without fear of making mistakes. If that happens look out.

He has 22 turn overs to 6 for JJ in virtually the same amount of time. Some of Canes minutes have also come while playing the off guard.

That said, I really don't think it is just that reason he is starting JJ. Was listening to Chad on Eggers show yesterday and unless I heard him wrong Cane was utilized as the off guard and PG at his last school. He was very comfortable in a scoring role as opposed to PG. I think there is still a adjustment Cane needs to make and Mick is using him to spell Evans and Cumberland on the wings because he feels Moore and Williams are not there yet in regards to performance.

Looking at our last 3 games the only one we really struggled at the beginning of the game was X. I think there our factors that need to happen before Mick hands the job over to Cane. First Cumberland needs to find his game
or one of the freshman needs to demonstrate he is capable of producing when Jarron is out of the game. Second Cane needs to take better care of the ball. I guess we could start Cane over JJ and then move him to the wing but then what if he picks up fouls? How will playing that many minutes affect his game? Can he cut his turn overs out. Using JJ to start and bringing Cane in is not the reason we haven't played well in the games we lost. Guarding and rebounding cost us the X game and 21 turnovers cost us the Florida game.

 

[waterhead]

He has 22 turn overs to 6 for JJ in virtually the same amount of time. Some of Canes minutes have also come while playing the off guard.

That said, I really don't think it is just that reason he is starting JJ. Was listening to Chad on Eggers show yesterday and unless I heard him wrong Cane was utilized as the off guard and PG at his last school. He was very comfortable in a scoring role as opposed to PG. I think there is still a adjustment Cane needs to make and Mick is using him to spell Evans and Cumberland on the wings because he feels Moore and Williams are not there yet in regards to performance.

Looking at our last 3 games the only one we really struggled at the beginning of the game was X. I think there our factors that need to happen before Mick hands the job over to Cane. First Cumberland needs to find his game
or one of the freshman needs to demonstrate he is capable of producing when Jarron is out of the game. Second Cane needs to take better care of the ball. I guess we could start Cane over JJ and then move him to the wing but then what if he picks up fouls? How will playing that many minutes affect his game? Can he cut his turn overs out. Using JJ to start and bringing Cane in is not the reason we haven't played well in the games we lost. Guarding and rebounding cost us the X game and 21 turnovers cost us the Florida game.

My only problem with Cane being more comfortable off the ball is that we can use his services more as a PG (which I am sure is how he was recruited). We have two very good wings. I know you have concerns about Cumberland but I don't as of yet. Many people said the key to just how good we could be this year revolved around how good our PG was going to be. Whether or not our PG could break a defense down and create looks for our other players.

Having depth at the wing is great and all but we need a great PG to be great in March. Well maybe "need" is a little strong but it's definitely going to be important. I sure hope he can get comfortable running point. I think Jenifer is solid but doesn't move the needle. Maybe Evans can get comfortable running point who knows.

I just don't like this development of Cane not being comfortable at PG at all.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

My only problem with Cane being more comfortable off the ball is that we can use his services more as a PG (which I am sure is how he was recruited). We have two very good wings. I know you have concerns about Cumberland but I don't as of yet. Many people said the key to just how good we could be this year revolved around how good our PG was going to be. Whether or not our PG could break a defense down and create looks for our other players.

Having depth at the wing is great and all but we need a great PG to be great in March. Well maybe "need" is a little strong but it's definitely going to be important. I sure hope he can get comfortable running point. I think Jenifer is solid but doesn't move the needle. Maybe Evans can get comfortable running point who knows.

I just don't like this development of Cane not being comfortable at PG at all.

Yes things would be a lot simpler if Cane was were we need him to be at this time. I was getting as bit nervous early in the season when I started to read things on BCJ that said JJ may challenge for the starting PG spot. I mean I think JJ's game has improved but my hopes were that Cane was far and away a better player. Cane may get there but right now with the wings not performing and him still adjusting I can see why Mick is starting JJ.

 

[cincrulz11]

I mean I think JJ's game has improved but my hopes were that Cane was far and away a better player. Cane may get there but right now with the wings not performing and him still adjusting I can see why Mick is starting JJ.

i think cane has proven to be the far and away better player. the 2 games vs the only 2 games on our schedule have shown that. not only did jenifer struggle, cane thrived.


but that still wasn't enough for mick.

 

[waterhead]

Yes things would be a lot simpler if Cane was were we need him to be at this time. I was getting as bit nervous early in the season when I started to read things on BCJ that said JJ may challenge for the starting PG spot. I mean I think JJ's game has improved but my hopes were that Cane was far and away a better player. Cane may get there but right now with the wings not performing and him still adjusting I can see why Mick is starting JJ.

At this point in time I agree with some others on here. We need to let Cane run the point for as many minutes as we can. Maybe not in the biggest games or the closest games but whenever we have a comfortable lead for sure. Let him sink or swim and make a few mistakes along the way so he can learn and get comfortable by years end. We can experiment when we have a nice lead.

This is our year to make a run. We lose Gary next year. He is close to irreplaceable. We also lose (love him or hate him) Kyle...but he can score and we aren't replacing that either. We need scoring in March. We need Cane running point IMO to make a run. He has to get comfortable at PG. WE can't get him comfortable at PG if he is playing off the ball. Play him off the ball when the game is close I don't care.

 

[waterhead]

i think cane has proven to be the far and away better player. the 2 games vs the only 2 games on our schedule have shown that. not only did jenifer struggle, cane thrived.


but that still wasn't enough for mick.

The problem is a lot of that success is coming off the ball and not from the point. Cane's success is not coming at Jenifer's position often times. We need Cane to run point and that seems to be where he is less comfortable and less successful.

I agree he is more dynamic and a better player than Jenifer...but sometimes they are playing different positions. That is the problem. If Cane's success was coming at PG...I don't think we would be debating this issue.

 

[waterhead]

The problem is a lot of that success is coming off the ball and not from the point. Cane's success is not coming at Jenifer's position often times. We need Cane to run point and that seems to be where he is less comfortable and less successful.

I agree he is more dynamic and a better player than Jenifer...but sometimes they are playing different positions. That is the problem. If Cane's success was coming at PG...I don't think we would be debating this issue.

I am also fine with letting Evans run a little PG when Cane is in. I think that is a more dynamic offense than JJ and Cane.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

i think cane has proven to be the far and away better player. the 2 games vs the only 2 games on our schedule have shown that. not only did jenifer struggle, cane thrived.


but that still wasn't enough for mick.

I think Mick would tell you he is a better player. I think it comes down to how he is being forced to use the two of them. Right now he needs Cane to give him scoring form the wing as well. He is getting minutes at PG and at the wing. With Cumberland struggling and the freshman not ready he has to use Cane at the wing.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I am also fine with letting Evans run a little PG when Cane is in. I think that is a more dynamic offense than JJ and Cane.

I think you will see more of that as the season unfolds.

 

[waterhead]

I am also fine with letting Evans run a little PG when Cane is in. I think that is a more dynamic offense than JJ and Cane.

If the only thing Jenifer is doing is passing around the perimeter and dropping off passes to the high post (without penetrating)...then we can let Evans do that. I think Evans looks a little better from the top of the key anyway and Broome looks better coming off the ball.

I would prefer Cane get better at running the PG spot.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

He has 22 turn overs to 6 for JJ in virtually the same amount of time. Some of Canes minutes have also come while playing the off guard.

That said, I really don't think it is just that reason he is starting JJ. Was listening to Chad on Eggers show yesterday and unless I heard him wrong Cane was utilized as the off guard and PG at his last school. He was very comfortable in a scoring role as opposed to PG. I think there is still a adjustment Cane needs to make and Mick is using him to spell Evans and Cumberland on the wings because he feels Moore and Williams are not there yet in regards to performance.

Looking at our last 3 games the only one we really struggled at the beginning of the game was X. I think there our factors that need to happen before Mick hands the job over to Cane. First Cumberland needs to find his game
or one of the freshman needs to demonstrate he is capable of producing when Jarron is out of the game. Second Cane needs to take better care of the ball. I guess we could start Cane over JJ and then move him to the wing but then what if he picks up fouls? How will playing that many minutes affect his game? Can he cut his turn overs out. Using JJ to start and bringing Cane in is not the reason we haven't played well in the games we lost. Guarding and rebounding cost us the X game and 21 turnovers cost us the Florida game.

You don't bench your best guards bc of the idea that they *might* get into foul trouble. That's ridiculous. And if Broome got in foul trouble, Evans and Jenifer could both take ball handling duties. Broome is averaging 20 minutes per game anyway, so how is he going to get into bad enough foul trouble where we'd have an emergency? That one is pretty weak if you ask me.

Also, what happens if he plays more minutes? Nothing. He's fine. He's in great shape, is in his 4th year of college ball, and had way more on his plate in more minutes at Sacred Heart.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

You and others keep saying Cane turns the ball over way to much he’s at 2 turnovers per game. So where’s all these turnovers you are referring to? Some of the best guards on top 25 teams averages more and they seems to have little trouble being successful so do they have any problems. This team will be fine they just have to play and play care free without fear of making mistakes. If that happens look out.

There are a lot of group-think narratives that become way more of a thing than they actually are.