Mississippi State

[waterhead]

their best games won't influence their final number that much because of the total attempts they had.


if you want another name from our current team its cumberland. which im guessing is why he can struggle for long stretches, he's not that good of a 3 point shooter yet. take out 3 hot games from evans and he's still over 36%.


100 attempts is nowhere near the amount for us to say a guy is a good shooter.

100 makes is what it takes to put a shooter on the all time career list at UC according to Go Bearcats. Several of our current players (including Jenifer) would crack the top 5 in career shooting %. Evans and Cumberaland are also on that list. I don't know if Jenifer has enough makes...but when he does...he could be on that list. I know a lot of players who won't be.

 

[cincrulz11]

Good lord really!!! You think Troy only got wide open shots in his f%king soph year? Really?? A few hot games?? REally? OK...I guess I know what I am working with here. Someone who is willing to manipulate any stat they can to make a point.

what stats am i manipulating, i would love to know that.


the shot attempts alone show they were likely good looks or he wouldn't have shot them. similar to how jenifers looks are all good looks now. if they aren't he doesn't shoot them, neither did troy early in his career.



but i am still really wondering what i've manipulated. i gave troys 40% season as an example of what small sample sizes can do, then showed what troys % was after many many more attempts. i really dont understand where you think im being biased.

 

[cincrulz11]

100 makes is what it takes to put a shooter on the all time career list at UC according to Go Bearcats. Several of our current players (including Jenifer) would crack the top 5 in career shooting %. Evans and Cumberaland are also on that list. I don't know if Jenifer has enough makes...but when he does...he could be on that list. I know a lot of players who won't be.

there is a massive difference in 100 makes and 100 attempts. for jenifer to have 100 makes at his current percentage he would need 268 attempts which is more than double what he currently has. that percentage could go anywhere with 164 more attempts.

 

[waterhead]

100 makes is what it takes to put a shooter on the all time career list at UC according to Go Bearcats. Several of our current players (including Jenifer) would crack the top 5 in career shooting %. Evans and Cumberaland are also on that list. I don't know if Jenifer has enough makes...but when he does...he could be on that list. I know a lot of players who won't be.

In case you are interested...

3-Point Field Goal Percentage (Minimum: 100 made)
.401 Field Williams 2000-01/2003-04
.394 Darnell Burton (306-777), 1993-94/1996-97
.385 LaZelle Durden (260-675), 1992-93/1994-95
.378 Steve Logan (258-682), 1998-99/2001-02
.358 Nick Van Exel (147-411), 1991-92/1992-93
.348 Melvin Levett (164-471), 1995-96/1998-99

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I think we all envisioned this fast paced offense racing up and down the floor. That is hard to do against good teams. They will force you into half court sets and we need to execute. Something we haven't done as evidenced by 21 turn overs. I think we got caught up in Broome being this lightning quick PG that would drive and dish for open 3's or lob opportunities for Washington or Clark. This hasn't materialized yet. I think we may all be a bit caught up in what we want to see rather then what is a reasonable expectation. I look for us to get better but it is certainly a work in progress. I think we will be better at the end of the year.

 

[Jon Rycek]

This should have been a by how much poll.. I'm gonna say, we will feel sorry for miss state after this one. Bearcats back at home, after a couple loses, backs against the wall in the top 25. I'm gonna say 84-69 cats.

 

[waterhead]

In case you are interested...

3-Point Field Goal Percentage (Minimum: 100 made)
.401 Field Williams 2000-01/2003-04
.394 Darnell Burton (306-777), 1993-94/1996-97
.385 LaZelle Durden (260-675), 1992-93/1994-95
.378 Steve Logan (258-682), 1998-99/2001-02
.358 Nick Van Exel (147-411), 1991-92/1992-93
.348 Melvin Levett (164-471), 1995-96/1998-99

Evans is already there and he would be #4 on this list already. If Cumberland and Jenifer had enough makes they would be #5.

One would assume they will only get better and not worse.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

This should have been a by how much poll.. I'm gonna say, we will feel sorry for miss state after this one. Bearcats back at home, after a couple loses, backs against the wall in the top 25. I'm gonna say 84-69 cats.

Yeah probably so.

 

[All we do is Guyn]

I'm basketball ignorant and don't really have the eye for who is and who isn't doing a good job on defense. Is Trevor Moore a bad defender? He seems quick and has the best looking shot on the team, is he not playing because he's a defensive liability?

 

[cincrulz11]

I'm basketball ignorant and don't really have the eye for who is and who isn't doing a good job on defense. Is Trevor Moore a bad defender? He seems quick and has the best looking shot on the team, is he not playing because he's a defensive liability?

i dont think any of us could know without knowing exactly what his responsibilities were on defense. we do a lot of switching and stuff and its probably hard for any of us to tell which player always made the wrong play.

 

[spinal070508]

they struggle to shoot from outside and they struggle with handling the ball. but they have great 2 point defense and force a lot of turnovers.


hmm this sounds familiar.



actually looking into their stats a bit more, they are better shooters than they've shown early this year. weatherspoon and peters are combined 7-47 from 3 this year but both shot 37% last year.

Which means they will get hot tonight from 3.

 

[waterhead]

what stats am i manipulating, i would love to know that.


the shot attempts alone show they were likely good looks or he wouldn't have shot them. similar to how jenifers looks are all good looks now. if they aren't he doesn't shoot them, neither did troy early in his career.



but i am still really wondering what i've manipulated. i gave troys 40% season as an example of what small sample sizes can do, then showed what troys % was after many many more attempts. i really dont understand where you think im being biased.

If Troy made 40 percent by being selective in his soph year and Jennifer is doing the same now... what is the problem? Nobody is saying JJ should be pumping 6 three's per game. He can obviously make an open shot. Nobody is saying for JJ to bomb contested shots. I don't see the correlation. JJ is not a volume shooter and nobody wants him to be. Troy shot volume (last year) but we had better options...and one of those was not KJ.

 

[cincrulz11]

If Troy made 40 percent by being selective in his soph year and Jennifer is doing the same now... what is the problem? Nobody is saying JJ should be pumping 6 three's per game. He can obviously make an open shot. Nobody is saying for JJ to bomb contested shots. I don't see the correlation. JJ is not a volume shooter and nobody wants him to be. Troy shot volume (last year) but we had better options...and one of those was not KJ.

he shot 40% because shot selection AND sample size. it was too small. troys freshman year he had an even smaller sample size and assuming the same only taking good shots only shot 32%.



what im saying is you cannot say jenifer can continue to shoot 37% because the sample size is too small and is greatly skewed by 3 games.


you probably thought it was unfair to take out the 3 best games. so lets chop out the 3 best and 3 worst from his career. comes to a 32.8% from 3.


the 3 great games were outliers. cannot rely on data when it can shift so quickly with only a few more attempts.

 

[CHEER CINCY]

he shot 40% because shot selection AND sample size. it was too small. troys freshman year he had an even smaller sample size and assuming the same only taking good shots only shot 32%.



what im saying is you cannot say jenifer can continue to shoot 37% because the sample size is too small and is greatly skewed by 3 games.


you probably thought it was unfair to take out the 3 best games. so lets chop out the 3 best and 3 worst from his career. comes to a 32.8% from 3.


the 3 great games were outliers. cannot rely on data when it can shift so quickly with only a few more attempts.

Lots of chatter about JJ. Hysterical considering the kid wouldnt start at any other top 100 basketball program. Hes like a poor mans khalid el amin or mateen cleaves. Lets get real here. He should NOT get significant minutes. Hes a bonafide backup PG and sub. If JJ gets as many minutes as this discussion has generated, ill see everyone in the NIT. PERIOD

 

[jacobkdoyle]

-12.5

 

[waterhead]

he shot 40% because shot selection AND sample size. it was too small. troys freshman year he had an even smaller sample size and assuming the same only taking good shots only shot 32%.



what im saying is you cannot say jenifer can continue to shoot 37% because the sample size is too small and is greatly skewed by 3 games.


you probably thought it was unfair to take out the 3 best games. so lets chop out the 3 best and 3 worst from his career. comes to a 32.8% from 3.


the 3 great games were outliers. cannot rely on data when it can shift so quickly with only a few more attempts.

I would take 33 percent from a non prolific 3 point shooter on select shots. We have been getting that percentage from our volume 3 guys the last couple of years in Troy and JJ. Most of our Cronin years have been filled with volume guys shooting bad percentages.

Let's not forget

 

[justinhub2003]

10 minutes til tip and not much of a home court advantage.

Let’s hope 2 losses hasn’t scared every one away

https://www.dropbox.com/s/47mwvqthkkxqgew/Photo Dec 12, 6 40 01 PM.jpg?dl=0

 

[cincrulz11]

10 minutes til tip and not much of a home court advantage.

Let’s hope 2 losses hasn’t scared every one away

https://www.dropbox.com/s/47mwvqthkkxqgew/Photo Dec 12, 6 40 01 PM.jpg?dl=0

crowd was always late arriving at 5/3, add in the traffic difficulties of nku's arena and good luck getting them there early.

 

[cincrulz11]

jenifer still starting

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Jenifer
Cumberland
Evans
Clark
Washington