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[justinhub2003]

Jarron has a problem and it goes largely ignored. he's had a TO% of 20+ in 8 games this season. he gets so sloppy with the ball. his turnover right under our own rim is inexcusable for anybody.


He led our team in turnovers last year, he leads them this year by a large margin.

In some cases, he gets a lebron type turnover where the pass was so high IQ that our bigs weren’t ever expecting it. It’s mostly on cuts to the lanefif our bigs.

But that’s a small portion. A lot of his turnovers are just straight up lazy soft passes. I feel like he gets more passes into the post stolen than I’ve ever seen. It’s frustrating because he is a great playmaker yet non of his turnovers are ever from play making, literally just stupid lazy passes that only work in 5 on 0 drills

 

[cincrulz11]

In some cases, he gets a lebron type turnover where the pass was so high IQ that our bigs weren’t ever expecting it. It’s mostly on cuts to the lanefif our bigs.

But that’s a small portion. A lot of his turnovers are just straight up lazy soft passes. I feel like he gets more passes into the post stolen than I’ve ever seen. It’s frustrating because he is a great playmaker yet non of his turnovers are ever from play making, literally just stupid lazy passes that only work in 5 on 0 drills

he's going to turn it over some because of how much he has the ball and how often he's forced to shoot, but as you said his turnovers aren't really due to that.


he gets far too greedy and im pretty surprised it wasn't addressed a long time ago.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

UCLA becomes a much bigger game now -

Tre was very disappointing yesterday, his shot was a line drive.

Nysier needs to learn to play defense int he post without leaning over. He gets 2 fouls a game by not staying vertical in the post.

At some point we need to get Trevor to make some shots.... But again. Very tough to get in a rhythm on a Mick team.

 

[justinhub2003]

UCLA becomes a much bigger game now -

Tre was very disappointing yesterday, his shot was a line drive.

Nysier needs to learn to play defense int he post without leaning over. He gets 2 fouls a game by not staying vertical in the post.

At some point we need to get Trevor to make some shots.... But again. Very tough to get in a rhythm on a Mick team.

Lol what could do to get Trevor in a rhythm?

Kinda need Keith, jarron and a Point guard on the floor. Trevor needs to heat up from the bench, or be better then Keith.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Lol what could do to get Trevor in a rhythm?

Kinda need Keith, jarron and a Point guard on the floor. Trevor needs to heat up from the bench, or be better then Keith.

what evidence is there that Trevor is even a good shooter? High schools? Mick stating it? Granted he hasn't taken a lot of shots but in his time here he hasn't shown even a glimpse of being a good shooter. He has had wide open looks where he doesn't even come close to the rim. At some point he either needs to start making them or else we move on from thinking he is a shooter. I hope its the former b/c UC needs a shooter bad but I'm not convinced he is the guy.

 

[justinhub2003]

what evidence is there that Trevor is even a good shooter? High schools? Mick stating it? Granted he hasn't taken a lot of shots but in his time here he hasn't shown even a glimpse of being a good shooter. He has had wide open looks where he doesn't even come close to the rim. At some point he either needs to start making them or else we move on from thinking he is a shooter. I hope its the former b/c UC needs a shooter bad but I'm not convinced he is the guy.

I’ve seen him nail everything in warm ups. His form is near perfect. But his issue is that he needs to earn more playing time and it’s tiugh with Keith and jarron in front of him.

He’s a 3 star recruit, who was never expected to make a real impact until his jr and Sr year. Would he have been better off playing at a mid major where he can get off 8 or 9 threes a night ? Maybe


But it’s on him to shoot a high percentage in short reps. The best 3 pointers in the country miss 6 out of 10

 

[waterhead]

what evidence is there that Trevor is even a good shooter? High schools? Mick stating it? Granted he hasn't taken a lot of shots but in his time here he hasn't shown even a glimpse of being a good shooter. He has had wide open looks where he doesn't even come close to the rim. At some point he either needs to start making them or else we move on from thinking he is a shooter. I hope its the former b/c UC needs a shooter bad but I'm not convinced he is the guy.

In games? Not a lot of evidence. But I recall even last year 1 or two players saying he was the best in practice. It’s what we recruited him for. He can shoot. But can he shoot under pressure is the only question.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

what evidence is there that Trevor is even a good shooter? High schools? Mick stating it? Granted he hasn't taken a lot of shots but in his time here he hasn't shown even a glimpse of being a good shooter. He has had wide open looks where he doesn't even come close to the rim. At some point he either needs to start making them or else we move on from thinking he is a shooter. I hope its the former b/c UC needs a shooter bad but I'm not convinced he is the guy.

Moore is known for his ability to really shoot the basketball. In Under Armour play Moore is 35-93 from beyond the arc. In fact catching and shooting is what he almost does exclusively. Moore has only attempted 13 two point attempts and 25 free throws in 11 games on the Under Armour Association.

https://247sports.com/college/baske...evor-Moore-is-headed-to-Cincinnati-105499764/

 

[cincycpaw]

Moore is known for his ability to really shoot the basketball. In Under Armour play Moore is 35-93 from beyond the arc. In fact catching and shooting is what he almost does exclusively. Moore has only attempted 13 two point attempts and 25 free throws in 11 games on the Under Armour Association.

https://247sports.com/college/baske...evor-Moore-is-headed-to-Cincinnati-105499764/

I like this kid. He hustles and he cares a lot. I hope he finds his shot soon. He has been very frustrating to watch and hasn't improved (perhaps regressed?) from his freshman year.

Thankfully Williams has exploded. He was not very good last year and I was concerned, but he has become the 2nd best player on this team and no game is too big for him.

 

[waterhead]

I like this kid. He hustles and he cares a lot. I hope he finds his shot soon. He has been very frustrating to watch and hasn't improved (perhaps regressed?) from his freshman year.

Thankfully Williams has exploded. He was not very good last year and I was concerned, but he has become the 2nd best player on this team and no game is too big for him.

Agreed. Cronin is going to have to figure out a way to get the confidence back in Moore and while he's at it...Broome. The body language is not good right now. Fredericks is kind of a dirty work guy and not great at any one thing so I think he can help when he's on the court without scoring.

We need another shooter in a bad way right now

 

[Alum2013]

Moore is known for his ability to really shoot the basketball. In Under Armour play Moore is 35-93 from beyond the arc. In fact catching and shooting is what he almost does exclusively. Moore has only attempted 13 two point attempts and 25 free throws in 11 games on the Under Armour Association.

https://247sports.com/college/baske...evor-Moore-is-headed-to-Cincinnati-105499764/

If your specialty is supposed to be a catch and shoot guy in addition to being lauded as the best shooter ever recruited, you need to hit better then 37%. That's not a good percentage at all, guessing that most of the were stand and catch shots and probably very few last second fall away threes.

 

[cincrulz11]

95 career 3's is just far too small of a number to write off a shooter. i know i say it all the time but the range a shooter can shoot within 100 attempts is extremely wide. it can be wide with a much larger sample than 100 too.


Field Williams is the best shooter I've ever seen play for us. 40.1% career 3 point shooter. Did you know for his Jr year he shot 247 3's at 34%. Only season he shot below 43% here.


Steph Curry shot 35% for the month of November last season in 107 attempts. he's a proven 43.8% shooter for his career. over 8% lower than his average for the best shooter to ever do it.



now im not trying to put moore in a class with those guys. im just saying great shooters can have a low (for them) percentage over 100 shots, so imagine what the numbers could look like for just a good shooter.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Field Williams also averaged over 43% his other three years including his freshman year. And the year where he averaged 34% he was shooting close to 9/game. Moore's best so far isn't even close to Field's worst. And it's been a while but I do not recall Field ever airballing a wide open three.

Look, I'm not saying he is a bad shooter. But at some point you have to be able to knock down a shot if you are the best shooter that the coach has ever recruited. What he did in HS (as on other person pointed out 37% isn't that great) and what he does in practice is irrelevant. All that matters is what he does in games. His form is pretty good so I'm hoping he can start knocking some down.

 

[cincrulz11]

Field Williams also averaged over 43% his other three years including his freshman year. And the year where he averaged 34% he was shooting close to 9/game. Moore's best so far isn't even close to Field's worst. And it's been a while but I do not recall Field ever airballing a wide open three.

Look, I'm not saying he is a bad shooter. But at some point you have to be able to knock down a shot if you are the best shooter that the coach has ever recruited. What he did in HS (as on other person pointed out 37% isn't that great) and what he does in practice is irrelevant. All that matters is what he does in games. His form is pretty good so I'm hoping he can start knocking some down.

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, just saying it's possible to be a good shooter and start out shooting 30% over 95. And really he struggled after January last year, prior to January he was 39% on 41 attempts (and 10-41 the rest of the way).


Freshman hit a wall, it happens. This year he just hasn't shot many at all.



He doesn't appear to be a guy that can just come in for a minute or two and be sharp, and i dont see much PT for him, so he's probably gonna stay what he is.

 

[waterhead]

Maybe Cumberland and Jenifer are actually 40% plus career shooters who got off to slow starts? Jk...but wouldn’t it be nice

 

[waterhead]

In terms of what we need I am not sure anymore that we just need a 3rd scorer similar to Cumberland or Williams. I think we need it to come from one of the bigs or we need another high % shooter. Sure it would be nice if Cane could give us another guy to get in the lane but we have two of those right now. We need another scoring dimension all together IMO.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

In terms of what we need I am not sure anymore that we just need a 3rd scorer similar to Cumberland or Williams. I think we need it to come from one of the bigs or we need another high % shooter. Sure it would be nice if Cane could give us another guy to get in the lane but we have two of those right now. We need another scoring dimension all together IMO.

MAMADOU

Wouldnt't it be nice, Cronin says he is the best offensive player in almost every practice. He may emerge next year or year after the way Keith has, just dont think Coach trusts him on the defensive end for prolonged periods.

 

[cincrulz11]

In terms of what we need I am not sure anymore that we just need a 3rd scorer similar to Cumberland or Williams. I think we need it to come from one of the bigs or we need another high % shooter. Sure it would be nice if Cane could give us another guy to get in the lane but we have two of those right now. We need another scoring dimension all together IMO.

i mean those things would make the offense better, but we knew coming into the year we didn't have them. we're just going to have to hope to hold good teams to under .9 ppp.

 

[justinhub2003]

Trevon Blueitt from that team across town took a lot of 3's his freshman year and only knocked in 33% of them.


And yet, finished his final year as a 42% volume 3 point shooter.


Like, Keith williams is probably never going to be a 40% shooter BUT Trevor, with his near perfect form, has a chance to really light it up from 3 as his career progresses.


But if you notice, even though, his percentages haven't been high, he's still flagged as a shooter in the scouting report. He rarely gets open looks.


All that said, I think thats part of Trevor's problem. I'm not sure he knows how to get himself open. Whereas a guy like Blueitt knew exactly how to get open and how to get his shot off in a hurry.

 

[cincrulz11]

Trevon Blueitt from that team across town took a lot of 3's his freshman year and only knocked in 33% of them.


And yet, finished his final year as a 42% volume 3 point shooter.


Like, Keith williams is probably never going to be a 40% shooter BUT Trevor, with his near perfect form, has a chance to really light it up from 3 as his career progresses.


But if you notice, even though, his percentages haven't been high, he's still flagged as a shooter in the scouting report. He rarely gets open looks.


All that said, I think thats part of Trevor's problem. I'm not sure he knows how to get himself open. Whereas a guy like Blueitt knew exactly how to get open and how to get his shot off in a hurry.

A guy from this side of town shot 33% as a freshman on 135 attempts and then 42% as a sophomore. now he's on the nba, but don't look at his shooting percent there.