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I hope not. I dont want UC to be pressured in to the Big XII now or in 2 years. I really really don't want them in a conference that doesn't have an AQ.

I really want Big East to stay together but that may not be possible.
 
Thegreatone said:
I hope not. I dont want UC to be pressured in to the Big XII now or in 2 years. I really really don't want them in a conference that doesn't have an AQ.

I really want Big East to stay together but that may not be possible.
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Do not worry Great One, UC is staying in the Big East.
 
ralph1950 said:
Do not worry Great One, UC is staying in the Big East.
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Our new AD says that the situation is fluid, but ole Ralph knows more than him. Yeah, don't worry. When UL and WVU leave for the B12, and UConn and /or Rutgers eventually leaves for the ACC, we will be left with USF, ECU, SMU, UCF, etc if the BE still exists. At least we still have MSG and can watch an epic struggle between SMU and ECU in the BE tourney. LOL.
 
I'm hearing WVU would be the primary target from the Big East but that BYU would be first choice. This will work out. UC has two teams in the top 25 in both major sports. This is a distraction but they will land on their feet. However I do think the AD hire was calculated.
 
bearcat jeff said:
I'm hearing WVU would be the primary target from the Big East but that BYU would be first choice. This will work out. UC has two teams in the top 25 in both major sports. This is a distraction but they will land on their feet. However I do think the AD hire was calculated.
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BYU will not join the Big 12 because 1) unlike Notre Dame they have religious principles, they will not play sports on Sunday 2) they want to be independent and are developing the BYU network much like the Longhorn network.
 
Ralph no offense but the next time you're right will be the first. It's always been a given principle that when you say something it's a good bet to go the other way. BYU has road blocks from other Big 12 schools, but I'm guessing they will try to stay logistically in their general geographic area. That has been their m.o.. Unless they add 2-3 other eastern schools I don't see that happening. If they do then UC will certainly be in the mix.

I'm seeing reports from insiders that say BYU could be added to Big 12 by weeks end and that the discussions they've had with the Big 12 has resolved their issues. WVU and Louisville will be next move for Big 12. There is major support for WVU because of their fan base and budget among the Big 12 power players.

Though not spoken publicly UC would lunge a chance to join the Big 12. Babcock has been part of the expansion talks though not as a frontline player. UC would have several teams to leap frog so it seems unlikely but they would love to be invited to the party. As I have said, it was no accident they made this AD hire. He is a fundraiser/marketer with established connections to the Big 12. Both are needed right now.
 
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anbuc88 said:
Our new AD says that the situation is fluid, but ole Ralph knows more than him. Yeah, don't worry. When UL and WVU leave for the B12, and UConn and /or Rutgers eventually leaves for the ACC, we will be left with USF, ECU, SMU, UCF, etc if the BE still exists. At least we still have MSG and can watch an epic struggle between SMU and ECU in the BE tourney. LOL.
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Anbuc, how many times must UC publicly state they are committed to the Big East before you believe them? UC has become the Big East's ringleader in keeping the Big East together. The BCS is a contract between the Big East, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, PAC 12, Notre Dame, and the Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Fiesta Bowls. As a contract member the Big East is not going to lose its AQ status. Neither UC, WVU, or Louisville wants to join a conference that is geographically distant and one that is about to eventually lose its 5 most noteworthy members, Missouri, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State. Not one Big 12 school has signed the agreement to turn over their TV rights for 6 years, all are waiting on Missouri's decision to stay or leave.
 
Ralph is not usaully wrong. Posters just don't like the way he presents things. BYU is very needy. They will not play sports on Sunday. No way.

Also beer companies that are major sponsors and supporters of the networks don't want BYu because of their strict policy against alcohol.

I think BYU and Big XII want to make it work and will but there are hurdles. Some things the Big XII will have to accommadate. BYU will not budge on a couple of things.
 
Thegreatone said:
Ralph is not usaully wrong. Posters just don't like the way he presents things. BYU is very needy. They will not play sports on Sunday. No way.

Also beer companies that are major sponsors and supporters of the networks don't want BYu because of their strict policy against alcohol.

I think BYU and Big XII want to make it work and will but there are hurdles. Some things the Big XII will have to accommadate. BYU will not budge on a couple of things.
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Read the bottom 2 paragraphs of my edit above.
 
bearcat jeff said:
I'm hearing WVU would be the primary target from the Big East but that BYU would be first choice. This will work out. UC has two teams in the top 25 in both major sports. This is a distraction but they will land on their feet. However I do think the AD hire was calculated.
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I still don't understand why WVU would be the primary target. They are not geographically in the footprint of the B12, and are academically and research wise below the other schools under consideration. Additionally having the non-revenue sports to travel to Morgantown would be problematic. I know their football is currently superior to the other schools under consideration, but it should be the expectation by the B12 that schools that join will be able to eventally raise their profile and compete with the other member institutions. We have been to won the league 2 of the past 3 years and have the inside track to be the BCS representative this year. Our fanbase continues to increase and the current students, who will eventually be alumni, are invested in the program. Our basketball team is ranked and will continue to be a Top 20 program for years to come. Our new AD will undoubtedly point this out to the current ADs in the B12 and hopefully they will be smart enough see all of this.
 
Because this is about greed/revenue. If UC drew well in both sports I think it'd be a no brainer. Our sports budget is low. UL/WVU trump us in both places. The Big 12 acknowledges the footprint issue. That is why BYU is the preference if it can be worked out.


Missouri officials said Friday that they would pursue a football game in Kansas City against a traditional rival if they were to leave the Big 12 Conference. MU athletic director Mike Alden said the Tigers would like that team to be Kansas. Later Friday, Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger responded by indicating that the Border War rivalry likely would not continue if Missouri left the Big 12. "KU-Missouri is a great rivalry," Zenger said in a statement. "The University of Kansas is a great Midwestern school, loyal to our Midwestern conference and to our Midwestern roots. The KU-Missouri rivalry belongs in the Big 12 Conference. Should Missouri decide to leave the Big 12, we would wish them well."

Kansascity.com



Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_...b_t2_a4&eref=fromSI&eref=fromSI#ixzz1biDZ0pTl
 
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If Missouri leaves, Castiglione said the Big 12 has a "Plan A" and "Plan 1-A" but did not discuss specific teams outside of BYU. He also said he was hopeful Missouri would remain in the Big 12.

"I think our intent would be to move as quickly as we could," Castiglione said. "There may be other issues that hinder our ability to move as quick as we want. Behind the scenes we will be doing as much as we can as quick as as we can to resolve it."

West Virginia could be the top choice to replace Missouri if the Tigers left the conference, a source with direct knowledge of the Big 12's expansion plans told ESPN.com's Andy Katz on Satuday. The source said the league is more inclined to go to 10 teams in the short term while it assesses the pros and cons of 10 or 12 teams.


Louisville is a close third behind West Virginia and BYU with Cincinnati the fourth choice, according to the source.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...-missouri-tigers-quickly-mu-leaves-conference
 
The only thing the Big East has going for it right now is the 27 month hold up on teams leaving. If Missouri leaves, as expected, the Big 12 is going to push for a 10th team quickly. WVU and UL can't provide that. BYU can. Here is where it gets dicey for UC. If BYU is added and the Big East can't get a grant of rights deal done ASAP, UL and WVU would more than likely be the next 2 to get to 12. UC would be on the next list if the Big 12 decides to go to 14. That may never happen though. UC either needs to push for a grant of rights deal now or work hard to get in position ahead of either UL or WVU.
 
Too many conflicting reports right now to speculate.

1. BYU offer is off the table, the Big 12 goes to 12 adding UC, UL, WVU
2. BYU joins
3. BYU off the table, WVU avoids 27 month buyout and joins immediately, UL and UC to join in the future.

Those are the three that I have been hearing now, but the situation should become more clear in the coming days.
 
ralph1950 said:
Anbuc, how many times must UC publicly state they are committed to the Big East before you believe them? UC has become the Big East's ringleader in keeping the Big East together. The BCS is a contract between the Big East, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, PAC 12, Notre Dame, and the Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Fiesta Bowls. As a contract member the Big East is not going to lose its AQ status. Neither UC, WVU, or Louisville wants to join a conference that is geographically distant and one that is about to eventually lose its 5 most noteworthy members, Missouri, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State. Not one Big 12 school has signed the agreement to turn over their TV rights for 6 years, all are waiting on Missouri's decision to stay or leave.
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Same number of times that TCU publically stated that they were committed to the BE, or UConn, or UL, or WVU. Each institution, just as UC, has also stated that they would do what in the best interest of the university.

Whit Babcock has a press conference at 2 PM today. Lets see if he is as definitive in his support for the BE as you are.
 
bearcat jeff said:
I'm hearing WVU would be the primary target from the Big East but that BYU would be first choice. This will work out. UC has two teams in the top 25 in both major sports. This is a distraction but they will land on their feet. However I do think the AD hire was calculated.
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Exactly, this is why I think UC has set themselves up well, got an AD that knows what needs to be done in the Big 12 but we don't really hear much about Big 12 being too interested in UC. I am guessing the main thing holding them back right now is the budget. Otherwise, I'd expect UC to be right behind WV (not a knock on UC, just my opinion)
 
bearcat jeff said:
Ralph no offense but the next time you're right will be the first. It's always been a given principle that when you say something it's a good bet to go the other way. BYU has road blocks from other Big 12 schools, but I'm guessing they will try to stay logistically in their general geographic area. That has been their m.o.. Unless they add 2-3 other eastern schools I don't see that happening. If they do then UC will certainly be in the mix.

I'm seeing reports from insiders that say BYU could be added to Big 12 by weeks end and that the discussions they've had with the Big 12 has resolved their issues. WVU and Louisville will be next move for Big 12. There is major support for WVU because of their fan base and budget among the Big 12 power players.

Though not spoken publicly UC would lunge a chance to join the Big 12. Babcock has been part of the expansion talks though not as a frontline player. UC would have several teams to leap frog so it seems unlikely but they would love to be invited to the party. As I have said, it was no accident they made this AD hire. He is a fundraiser/marketer with established connections to the Big 12. Both are needed right now.
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The Ralph is always correct.
 
"I'm seeing reports from insiders that say BYU could be added to Big 12 by weeks end and that the discussions they've had with the Big 12 has resolved their issues. WVU and Louisville will be next move for Big 12. There is major support for WVU because of their fan base and budget among the Big 12 power players."

Sports writers, bloggers, and tweeters are not inside sources.
 
"Though not spoken publicly UC would lunge a chance to join the Big 12. Babcock has been part of the expansion talks though not as a frontline player. UC would have several teams to leap frog so it seems unlikely but they would love to be invited to the party. As I have said, it was no accident they made this AD hire. He is a fundraiser/marketer with established connections to the Big 12. Both are needed right now."

Babcock was part of expansion talks, Missouri to the SEC expansion talks. Do you really think a traitor to the Big 12 would have any influence in getting a team into the Big 12? Missouri people will be persona non grata to the Big 12, Kansas has stated they will drop Mizzou from their schedule, Texas is dropping A&M from their schedule. These are hundred year rivalries.

Babcock was brought in to raise money, period. The Athletic Dept. is $24 million in debt to the University.
 

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