Morman and Strickland

[david aka the TYZ]

I agree but disagree at the same time. Sanders won't be redshirted, you are definitely right there. Redshirting a junior is almost unheard of, especially since we have a lot of young players coming in. I disagree that nobody will be redshirted. Mick said that he regrets not redshirting Parker, he openly said it. Redshirting SK was not really a bad idea, we had plenty of guards that year and I think it helped SK. The injuries point is not a valid point, either, as you can always take the redshirt off of someone during the season, they just lose their redshirt status. Morman or KJ will be redshirted, NTS is right. I like Morman a little more at this point, but either one would be a good candidate for redshirting.

We shall see. I just don't think he'll redshirt someone. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he did. I think there's just too many unknowns with the freshman to take one out of the equation before it starts. Plus with a weaker conference schedule we might can assume some games will give the opportunity to play the young guys alot of minutes.

As far as Parker goes, yeah he said that, but it was easy in hindsight to say he should have redshirted him after a completely lost season. After Parker's freshman year there was really no reason to believe he needed to be redshirted. If anything Mick could've redshirted him his junior year after his abysmal sophomore year and he didn't. I think saying that was more coaches speak than anything. And while redshirting SK helped him in the long run, there's nobody here that will say that they couldn't have used him that season. Maybe with him on the roster that year they make the tourney And making the tourney one year earlier maybe their recruiting gets better one year earlier. That is speculation of course, but I think his reasoning for redshirting him (lost behind other players) seemed to backfire on him when we as a team struggled to score and a player he admitted as much at the time was a scorer rode the bench.

 

[waterhead]

It would be tough to decide between Mormon and Johnson. If I know Mick it may come down to who can defend the best and play the smartest ball. I like the idea of having an extra guy who can handle the rock out there. I think Johnson would be better for that since we don't know exactly what we are going to have in a PG this year. On the other hand guys who can play D (ala Bishop) are going to be able to get minutes. Mormon can probably defend 2-3 positions.

There could be more minutes to go around at the 1 and 2 spots than there will be at the 2 and 3 spots dpending on our PG situation. SK will get 30+ and maybe 35. The PG is probably still undecided. We have some wings in Thomas and Lawrence that should log plenty of minutes. It's a tough call to decide which type of player will help our team the most this year.

 

[All we do is Guyn]

Why are people SO sure that Caupain is better than Johnson? Not trying to sound like a jerk, just genuinely curious. The consensus seems to be that Caupain will probably start over Guyn but Johnson might have to redshirt. Johnson has been practicing and lifting with the team longer than any other recruit, and he was ranked higher that Caupain in a lot of recruiting sites. Is there something I'm missing here? Are the few clips on youtube enough to tell? Did you all see them both play in High School? Were there comments made by the coaching staff or someone connected to the team that I missed? The only comments I have heard was when an assistant coach said Caupain could make an impact, and when Cronin said Johnson was possibly the most underrated Ohio recruit ever

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Why are people SO sure that Caupain is better than Johnson? Not trying to sound like a jerk, just genuinely curious. The consensus seems to be that Caupain will probably start over Guyn but Johnson might have to redshirt. Johnson has been practicing and lifting with the team longer than any other recruit, and he was ranked higher that Caupain in a lot of recruiting sites. Is there something I'm missing here? Are the few clips on youtube enough to tell? Did you all see them both play in High School? Were there comments made by the coaching staff or someone connected to the team that I missed? The only comments I have heard was when an assistant coach said Caupain could make an impact, and when Cronin said Johnson was possibly the most underrated Ohio recruit ever

Caupain has natural point guard and leadership skills while Johnson is much more of a combo guard. We clearly have no idea who is going to be better, but I think the general consensus is Caupain will be able to contribute more right away because he is at a position of need.

 

[waterhead]

Why are people SO sure that Caupain is better than Johnson? Not trying to sound like a jerk, just genuinely curious. The consensus seems to be that Caupain will probably start over Guyn but Johnson might have to redshirt. Johnson has been practicing and lifting with the team longer than any other recruit, and he was ranked higher that Caupain in a lot of recruiting sites. Is there something I'm missing here? Are the few clips on youtube enough to tell? Did you all see them both play in High School? Were there comments made by the coaching staff or someone connected to the team that I missed? The only comments I have heard was when an assistant coach said Caupain could make an impact, and when Cronin said Johnson was possibly the most underrated Ohio recruit ever

I am not sure at all about Caupain...but it seems to be the concensus on this board that he will see plenty of time at PG. I would love to see Davis and Johnson get a crack at it...along with GG of course. I am not close to the coaches or the practice scene so it's tough for me to say Johson or Davis should get a chance at PG. That COULD be the furthest thing from Mick's mind. IDK

By video I think Johnson looks like he has the highest ceiling outside of Lawrence. But again...I am not an expert on breaking that stuff down.

 

[JumpinJack5]

Why are people SO sure that Caupain is better than Johnson? Not trying to sound like a jerk, just genuinely curious. The consensus seems to be that Caupain will probably start over Guyn but Johnson might have to redshirt. Johnson has been practicing and lifting with the team longer than any other recruit, and he was ranked higher that Caupain in a lot of recruiting sites. Is there something I'm missing here? Are the few clips on youtube enough to tell? Did you all see them both play in High School? Were there comments made by the coaching staff or someone connected to the team that I missed? The only comments I have heard was when an assistant coach said Caupain could make an impact, and when Cronin said Johnson was possibly the most underrated Ohio recruit ever

Johnson has more potential while Caupain is more polished as of now. Caupain has played the point before and has experience bringing the ball up the court. Johnson played almost exclusively at SG in HS and AAU, so he needs time to adjust to the PG position. I saw Johnson on 3-4 times while in HS. He is naturally very athletic and is a great scorer. He doesn't have the intangibles yet that I believe Caupain has. PGs need to have good intangibles more so than any other position. Being a good scorer and a good point guard are two different things. Caupain has shown the ability to fill up the stat sheet with assists, rebounds, and some scoring. I believe Johnson could be a very good backup SG right now, but if JD3 is playing well, why have someone as talented as Johnson waste a year as a backup?

 

[Robert]

All I know is that we aren't going to be a very good team running point guard by committee. Someone needs to step up and show that they can run the offense 25 minutes per game. Whether that is Guyn, Caupain, Johnson, or even Davis... Doesn't matter. Guyn is a good defender and is quick enough IMO to be a decent point guard in the AAC, but he is going to have to make a huge leap offensively to be the guy. I don't think any of us know enough about the other candidates to make a whole lot of educated guesses.

 

[Gotcha23]

Johnson has more potential while Caupain is more polished as of now. Caupain has played the point before and has experience bringing the ball up the court. Johnson played almost exclusively at SG in HS and AAU, so he needs time to adjust to the PG position. I saw Johnson on 3-4 times while in HS. He is naturally very athletic and is a great scorer. He doesn't have the intangibles yet that I believe Caupain has. PGs need to have good intangibles more so than any other position. Being a good scorer and a good point guard are two different things. Caupain has shown the ability to fill up the stat sheet with assists, rebounds, and some scoring. I believe Johnson could be a very good backup SG right now, but if JD3 is playing well, why have someone as talented as Johnson waste a year as a backup?

Pick a point guard and stay with him the first 8 games. If we see Mick switching guys in and out that means big trouble for the team this year.

 

[waterhead]

A couple of people mentioned Caupain's rebounding ability. I always thought a good size PG could make himself look real good very easily if they posess just a tad bit of instinct (nose for the ball). Not everyone has it obviously.

Think about it. Let's say you are at the top of the key. A shot goes off and everyone turns around. You can watch the shot the whole way while your weaving your way into the paint and because you are coming from the center of the court you can react left or right or stay put. You can come in with a head of steam and go right to the ball as well you aren't standing flat foot so you can get some air.

A wing on one side of the court is going to be limited for the most part to rebounding on his side and a longish rebound.

The big guys are boxing out and have someone hanging on them and are limited to short rebounds (where most occur). But they can't react to the bounce off the rim if it goes a little long.

The PG can react to any rebound and has a shot at most other than right around the bucket. Parker (even though he wasn't rebounding from PG) had a great nose for the ball and had great timing. If Caupain is like Parker...Mick is going to love him...provided there are low turnovers.

 

[waterhead]

Pick a point guard and stay with him the first 8 games. If we see Mick switching guys in and out that means big trouble for the team this year.

I respectfully disagree here. The first 8 games are usually OOC and the easiest and the perfect time to experiment with a young team and get all your guys in the game to see their potential. Now if there is a clear cut favorite...then let them get the expereince before conference play if they are young.

 

[bearcatrunner]

The PG can react to any rebound and has a shot at most other than right around the bucket. Parker (even though he wasn't rebounding from PG) had a great nose for the ball and had great timing. If Caupain is like Parker...Mick is going to love him...provided there are low turnovers.

Problem with this idea is that who is going to get back on defense if we don't get that rebound. You would have to teach the wings to go cover the middle of the court at that point.

I am so sick of watching guys on the wings shoot a shot that misses and not follow that shot. Your already in the area go for the rebound instead of jogging up the court slowly. Man we miss a ton of second shots because of this. At least hound the guy who got the rebound to slow him down and then you can sprint up the court.

 

[Gotcha23]

I respectfully disagree here. The first 8 games are usually OOC and the easiest and the perfect time to experiment with a young team and get all your guys in the game to see their potential. Now if there is a clear cut favorite...then let them get the expereince before conference play if they are young.

I forgot to mention this was the case if he goes with a freshman point guard. If Mick goes the Troy route I want him seeing significant minutes in OOC.

 

[JackBauer151]

I forgot to mention this was the case if he goes with a freshman point guard. If Mick goes the Troy route I want him seeing significant minutes in OOC.

Yea I agree. Have to get him up to speed as much as possible before conference play starts. Obviously bigger games like Pitt, Nc State, Xavier and New Mexico you will have to monitor his minutes but I just dont think GG is good enough to lead this team as the starting point.

 

[All we do is Guyn]

I know everyone is excited about the new guys, but I really hope some of the older guys stap up. I mean, the entire class of 2011 has underperformed. Guyn, Shaq, JDIII, Sanders.... It's about time one or two of them become a crucial part of the team

 

[JumpinJack5]

So Jerry Meyer from 247 tweets that Rhode Island is recruting terrell harder than uc. Tweeted this last week in response to a question. Terrell stated he wanted to come this weekend for a visit. Moorman becomes eligibl and Terrell is not visiting. That adds up to uc backed off. Little bit. Jd 111, Johnson,moorman all are shooting guards and two freshman. There are only so many minutes. He can go to Rhode Island in his back yard and be the man from day one. I would be willing to bet uc is not going after carrington that hard either. Why would mick have 4 two guards? There is more of need for a face up 4 man and wing. I understand everyone wanted Terrell including myself but you cannot have that many guys at the same spot. Carrington is not coming either IMO.

Johnson has a point guard build and after a year of learning how to play point, he could be solid there. He is only 6'1-6'2ish (media guides list him at 6'2-6'3), he is already a decent passer, and he has speed and the ability to score. I think they will at least consider moving him to point.

 

[Gotcha23]

Johnson has a point guard build and after a year of learning how to play point, he could be solid there. He is only 6'1-6'2ish (media guides list him at 6'2-6'3), he is already a decent passer, and he has speed and the ability to score. I think they will at least consider moving him to point.

I sure hope we get a true PG in the next class. These combo guards drive me nuts.

 

[JumpinJack5]

I sure hope we get a true PG in the next class. These combo guards drive me nuts.

Agreed.

 

[Chad Brendel]

I sure hope we get a true PG in the next class. These combo guards drive me nuts.

Troy is not a combo guard...

 

[JumpinJack5]

Troy is not a combo guard...

I understand what you are saying, but some sites did list him as an SG while we were recruiting him. He is pretty big for a PG, but his skill set fits the PG position very well. Snider is a pure PG, there is no debate about what he is.

 

[handwaver]

I know everyone is excited about the new guys, but I really hope some of the older guys stap up. I mean, the entire class of 2011 has underperformed. Guyn, Shaq, JDIII, Sanders.... It's about time one or two of them become a crucial part of the team

JD III has not underperformed...he was injured and didn't play last year...freshman year, he was nothing to write home about, but he was a frosh, and showed flashes of higher level play.
I expect huge strides this year - I think (hope) he'll be a major contributor.