Morman

[KJ's#1Supporter]

Are you suggesting UC should be able to compete with UK, KU & Duke for recruits? If so, that's not realistic. Duke has lost players--they had only 8 scholarship players at end of the year. Louisville is losing 2-3 this year as is Syracuse and several other big-time programs. Morman was not going to play here much anyway with Caupain & Johnson , Cobb, Jennifer, et al.

I think he is saying the opposite. We are NOT going to complete with them for recruits. That's why our roster spots 9-13 are so much more important than those schools' 9-13 roster spots. We need to use those spots for guys who are developing to be contributors as JR and SR. Bc sustained success depends on it for us. If we always have open spots and guys leaving, we're always going to run into rebuilding situations every 2-3 years.

 

[Chad Brendel]

I think he is saying the opposite. We are NOT going to complete with them for recruits. That's why our roster spots 9-13 are so much more important than those schools' 9-13 roster spots. We need to use those spots for guys who are developing to be contributors as JR and SR. Bc sustained success depends on it for us. If we always have open spots and guys leaving, we're always going to run into rebuilding situations every 2-3 years.

And those guys you want to sit and watch for 2 years before seeing the court want to play. It is easy to say they should put their dreams on the shelf and be grateful for the chance to be the 8th guy in the rotation as a junior, but that simply isn't reality. They want to play, and if that isn't happening where they are at for two years, they are going to find somewhere else to get that chance. These are their dreams, not your fandom...

 

[indydoug]

Ok but here's the list of transfers from last year. Maryland (4), Butler(4),Indiana(4), Memphis(3), LSU (3), Utah (3), Dayton (4), BYU (4), G'town (2), UNLV (4), XU (2), Texas (2) ---to name a few of similarly situated schools--- all had multiple defections. My point, it happens these days at a lot of schools. Heck, even Duke(3) has issues with it. Losing Guyn, Davis, Strickland and Moorman is in my opinion not unusual or that detrimental to the program. Kids want to play right away, and when they don't alot leave for more playing time. ( I realise Guyn doesn't fit that mold, but not a great loss really).
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ry-transfer-2014-offseason-college-basketball

 

[cincrulz11]

For me, it is irrelevant if it is a College Bball problem or a UC problem.

I mean I don't know what anybody could say to you if you start it like that. It is clearly a college basketball issue. That's why this time of the year is basically a free agent signing period. To want UC to somehow be different is pretty silly.


Everybody for some reason is all upset it seems that some guys are gone and this and that. Yet last time I checked the vast majority of people on this board think next year we have a chance to be a very special team. So which is it?

Somehow Mick has managed to put together what looks like a very good team while at the same time being awful at recruiting and keeping kids here. Amazing.

 

[TheLongHaul]

And? He was hurt and couldn't play. He then saw others claim his spot and asked for his release. He knew there wouldn't be minutes for him next year, and I know that because it is what he told me directly...

And he was a rotational player that transferred, plain and simple. I don't doubt players would have claimed his spot because he was a below average D1 player. Of course he also started every game the year prior and KJ started over 1/2 the games this year until they finally realized that Cobb was the better option so I wouldn't have been shocked if Guyn came back and played significant minutes.

 

[TheLongHaul]

I mean I don't know what anybody could say to you if you start it like that. It is clearly a college basketball issue. That's why this time of the year is basically a free agent signing period. To want UC to somehow be different is pretty silly.


Everybody for some reason is all upset it seems that some guys are gone and this and that. Yet last time I checked the vast majority of people on this board think next year we have a chance to be a very special team. So which is it?

Somehow Mick has managed to put together what looks like a very good team while at the same time being awful at recruiting and keeping kids here. Amazing.

UC has been to one sweet 16 in how many years? I'm not sure we can say that recruiting has been fantastic either, can we? Look, I'm a fan of Mick but it's reasonable to be concerned when so many players are leaving the program, regardless of why they are leaving (unless it's to go pro and I'd be alright with that). The coaching staff gets a lot of credit when they find diamonds in the rough, and they've done a good job at that, but they stand to bear some of the criticism when they miss on a number of recruits, which they've had their fair share of those as well. It goes both ways.

 

[coachpipe]

there are over 450 division 1 transfers this year alone. that isnt counting players who left last year to go juco and are coming back to D1. This is clearly a College basketball thing. it happens. im over it

 

[TheLongHaul]

It's definitely a college basketball thing. I'd say it's a problem but I don't know what you can really do about it.

 

[Bulldog01]

It should probably be pointed out, especially to Chad, that Guyn was a rotational player. In fact he started all games last year and started the only two games he played in before being hurt. Like him or not (I was never a huge fan), chances are he was going to get major minutes this year.

If nothing else it bought leadership and could prep younger guys for battles mick believe they have to go through

 

[KJ's#1Supporter]

I mean I don't know what anybody could say to you if you start it like that. It is clearly a college basketball issue. That's why this time of the year is basically a free agent signing period. To want UC to somehow be different is pretty silly.


Everybody for some reason is all upset it seems that some guys are gone and this and that. Yet last time I checked the vast majority of people on this board think next year we have a chance to be a very special team. So which is it?

Somehow Mick has managed to put together what looks like a very good team while at the same time being awful at recruiting and keeping kids here. Amazing.

To be clear, I'm not at all saying I expect UC to be different. My point is that if we are acknowledging that it is going to happen, then we might as well bring in as many players as are allowed each year, so we aren't always short. Losing players and then pointing out who else is losing players, doesn't give us more players in the tournament when we need them. If they're going to leave, they're going to leave. Fine. Then that's the way the sport works. But we can't talk about being short-handed, young, inexperienced, or whatever, when we are choosing to enter every season with open roster spots.

Mick has built a team that looks great for next year. But he himself called it a 2 year project. So we went through the lumps this year...all for next year. Then what? We have to rebuild again with a roster full of 8 or 9 first or second year players? That's where leaving open spots and having multiple guys leave each year can hurt you. If guys are gonna leave, fine. Then just make sure to fill our roster so it doesn't hurt as bad when they do.

 

[Bulldog01]

For me, it is irrelevant if it is a College Bball problem or a UC problem. The last 3 years we have had an open roster spot entering the season (might be more than last 3). Point is, if in 2012 we had added a HS player to the Nyarsuk/Rubles class, we might not have been in a situation where we basically had 7 players in the tournament and Quadri Moore was called on out of desperation. If we had the foresight to add a Gnanore type (I'm just saying he'd be a last resort type signing that's why I use him), then we could've had a JR or RS SO to come in the game instead of Quadri Moore. Someone who at very least knows where to be and what we're trying to accomplish. If we're acknowledging that players are going to leave (regardless of the reason), and we always seem to be inexperienced/young/short-handed, doesn't the the fact that we intentionally leave spots open insinuate that the recurring problem is somewhat self-inflicted?

People fail to mention that Strickland and Mormon sat out a year. Playing time wasn't that big of problem. Broken promises or grades

 

[Bulldog01]

And? He was hurt and couldn't play. He then saw others claim his spot and asked for his release. He knew there wouldn't be minutes for him next year, and I know that because it is what he told me directly...

After he quit going to class??? Why not still come support your brothers and coaches?

 

[Bulldog01]

Most players transfer After they stop going to class and pro isn't a option. The real ideal transfer player is kid from Drexel that want better competition. Get real guys NOBODY transfer from UC to fort valley state because of playing time.

 

[KJ's#1Supporter]

Part of it for us too is the timing. I bet the majority of those 450 players transferring have announced after the season. We had 2 guys leave right away, then 2 more suspended mid-season and rendered useless down the stretch. So 1/3 of the team failing to make it through the season is a little more than just the average guy or two who decide to transfer after the season. We had 5 out of 13 available spots pretty much wasted.

 

[Chad Brendel]

After he quit going to class??? Why not still come support your brothers and coaches?

Again with more lies. He NEVER quit going to class and is on track to graduate after an internship this summer. He said it was hard for him to be around and not able to contribute, so he stayed away. He knew early on he wasn't coming back for a fifth year and everyone moved on...

 

[Chad Brendel]

Part of it for us too is the timing. I bet the majority of those 450 players transferring have announced after the season. We had 2 guys leave right away, then 2 more suspended mid-season and rendered useless down the stretch. So 1/3 of the team failing to make it through the season is a little more than just the average guy or two who decide to transfer after the season. We had 5 out of 13 available spots pretty much wasted.

Quad was suspended for a week...

 

[KJ's#1Supporter]

Quad was suspended for a week...

Yeah but he barely played the rest of the year, even after it. I dunno, I just don't think it is unreasonable to ask a few questions about why players are failing to make it through. We went into 2014-2015 with 7 new players. And just 2 years later, going into 2016-2017, it looks as if we will have up to 9 players with at most 1 year of experience. That is very high roster turnover. It just seems like a recipe for lots of rebuilds.

 

[Chad Brendel]

Yeah but he barely played the rest of the year, even after it. I dunno, I just don't think it is unreasonable to ask a few questions about why players are failing to make it through. We went into 2014-2015 with 7 new players. And just 2 years later, going into 2016-2017, it looks as if we will have up to 9 players with at most 1 year of experience. That is very high roster turnover. It just seems like a recipe for lots of rebuilds.

And I've clearly stated why almost everyone has left. They didn't want to be at the back end of the roster and decided to look for greener pastures. UC isn't forcing guys out, and there haven't been the long line of legal issues that caused attrition under the previous coach.

And where are these "rebuilding years" you keep mentioning? If landing an 8 seed is a rebuilding year, the program is in fantastic shape...

 

[Bulldog01]

Again with more lies. He NEVER quit going to class and is on track to graduate after an internship this summer. He said it was hard for him to be around and not able to contribute, so he stayed away. He knew early on he wasn't coming back for a fifth year and everyone moved on...

What lie I asked question? I NEVER seen guyn situation happen and I've been watching this game for long time.

 

[Chad Brendel]

What lie I asked question? I NEVER seen guyn situation happen and I've been watching this game for long time.

He got hurt, had season ending surgery and decided not to come back for a fifth year. How is that some wild, unheard of situation???