Nevada

[GarradJ21]

So 7 of 8 years without playing in the 2nd weekend and 11 out of 12 overall...

How many more years without a 2nd weekend appearance before some of you would move on? 2? 3? 5? Doesn't matter? I'm curious to see where everyone is at on that.

I don't think you move on. I think the tournament is a strange thing that no one can comprehend. I mean Virginia had the best season ever. Maybe one of the best in all of college history yet they lose to a 16 seed lol.

I think people wanted Jay Wright gone and now look at what Nova is doing. I think it just happens eventually. I was rewatching the youtube video of Cincy has the 4 seed and ETSU as the 13 seed. We should have lost that game without a doubt. We had every call possible and missed calls go our way. Imagine if Cronin lost to a 13 seed, people would cry for years.

We just have to hope one of these tournaments will workout. I still think Cronin is the man for the job. He wants it more than anyone does he just doesn't admit it. This is his destination job unlike Mack and Xavier.

Again, this is my opinion I would imagine most don't agree with it and trust me, I want a tournament run, but I don't think it's that simple.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I don't think you move on. I think the tournament is a strange thing that no one can comprehend. I mean Virginia had the best season ever. Maybe one of the best in all of college history yet they lose to a 16 seed lol.

I think people wanted Jay Wright gone and now look at what Nova is doing. I think it just happens eventually. I was rewatching the youtube video of Cincy has the 4 seed and ETSU as the 13 seed. We should have lost that game without a doubt. We had every call possible and missed calls go our way. Imagine if Cronin lost to a 13 seed, people would cry for years.

We just have to hope one of these tournaments will workout. I still think Cronin is the man for the job. He wants it more than anyone does he just doesn't admit it. This is his destination job unlike Mack and Xavier.

Again, this is my opinion I would imagine most don't agree with it and trust me, I want a tournament run, but I don't think it's that simple.

So he could be here for 15 more years without ever making a 2nd weekend? Just trying to make sure I get what you're saying. There's gotta be a line somewhere, right?

 

[Jon Rycek]

So 7 of 8 years without playing in the 2nd weekend and 11 out of 12 overall...

How many more years without a 2nd weekend appearance before some of you would move on? 2? 3? 5? Doesn't matter? I'm curious to see where everyone is at on that.

It sucks. I think we are all in agreement. But what's funny is you specifically made sure that everyone knew what great of a season this was and that the tournament is the cherry on top. And I understand the frustration, I really do. I've been going through this just as long as you. difference is, I don't flip my script on almost everything because of a loss, no matter how bad.

 

[Jon Rycek]

So he could be here for 15 more years without ever making a 2nd weekend? Just trying to make sure I get what you're saying. There's gotta be a line somewhere, right?

But he has made a second week.. so just trying to make sure what you're saying

 

[jacobkdoyle]

But he has made a second week.. so just trying to make sure what you're saying

15 more from right now. Jeeeeesus man.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

It sucks. I think we are all in agreement. But what's funny is you specifically made sure that everyone knew what great of a season this was and that the tournament is the cherry on top. And I understand the frustration, I really do. I've been going through this just as long as you. difference is, I don't flip my script on almost everything because of a loss, no matter how bad.

So what's your answer? Or do you just want to talk about me all day?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

It sucks. I think we are all in agreement. But what's funny is you specifically made sure that everyone knew what great of a season this was and that the tournament is the cherry on top. And I understand the frustration, I really do. I've been going through this just as long as you. difference is, I don't flip my script on almost everything because of a loss, no matter how bad.

I don't think I would use the term "cherry on top". But yeah, that was before I knew that even our best team was capable of the biggest collapse in NCAA Tournament history. I though the Sweet 16 was the minimum. I was wrong. And now seeing the future, I'm putting a date on what I think needs to be accomplished. I'm not cool with just letting Mick have the job forever and defining himself what's success and what our ceiling is. Bc when he loses he just says it doesn't matter anyway. And that's bogus.

I think it's more than fair to tell a coach that 14/15 years and an 0-1 2nd weekend record at UC isn't good enough. And you can save the excuses.

 

[GarradJ21]

So he could be here for 15 more years without ever making a 2nd weekend? Just trying to make sure I get what you're saying. There's gotta be a line somewhere, right?

My line doesn't count on the second weekend. My line comes in with regular season and making the tournament as well as conference success and kids graduating. I hope though if he was our coach for 20-30 years we wouldn't look back and say he only made the second weekend once. I just think getting to the tournament you give your chance to make a run. That run hasn't happened yet but we have had some very successful seasons that could have led to a tournament run it just hasn't.

If we stayed in the Big East (best conference) and was getting 4 and 5 stars regularly then my standards would change. I just feel as where we are now I think we are succeeding. I think Cronin was starting to hit his stride in the BE and it really put a damper on things getting shifted to the AAC. He's been through a lot.

If people have a strict guideline of tournament success I understand that. I don't considering this situation.

If I was UK or Duke or even in the ACC maybe it would be different for me.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

My line doesn't count on the second weekend. My line comes in with regular season and making the tournament as well as conference success and kids graduating. I hope though if he was our coach for 20-30 years we wouldn't look back and say he only made the second weekend once. I just think getting to the tournament you give your chance to make a run. That run hasn't happened yet but we have had some very successful seasons that could have led to a tournament run it just hasn't.

If we stayed in the Big East (best conference) and was getting 4 and 5 stars regularly then my standards would change. I just feel as where we are now I think we are succeeding. I think Cronin was starting to hit his stride in the BE and it really put a damper on things getting shifted to the AAC. He's been through a lot.

If people have a strict guideline of tournament success I understand that. I don't considering this situation.

If I was UK or Duke or even in the ACC maybe it would be different for me.

Ahh the conference thing again. The old go to play.

4 of the 7 1st weekend losses came at the hands of teams in worse conferences than us. Just fyi. So it's not like we are constantly getting knocked out by blue bloods. It's actually a majority of teams with lower budgets, worse conference, basically all the excuses we've been conditioned to use for Cronin (except even more magnified). I just wish we were one of those teams. The kind that doesn't make excuses every single second of every day for everything.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

My line doesn't count on the second weekend. My line comes in with regular season and making the tournament as well as conference success and kids graduating. I hope though if he was our coach for 20-30 years we wouldn't look back and say he only made the second weekend once. I just think getting to the tournament you give your chance to make a run. That run hasn't happened yet but we have had some very successful seasons that could have led to a tournament run it just hasn't.

If we stayed in the Big East (best conference) and was getting 4 and 5 stars regularly then my standards would change. I just feel as where we are now I think we are succeeding. I think Cronin was starting to hit his stride in the BE and it really put a damper on things getting shifted to the AAC. He's been through a lot.

If people have a strict guideline of tournament success I understand that. I don't considering this situation.

If I was UK or Duke or even in the ACC maybe it would be different for me.

You know how our go to excuse for SK's SR year is that he just didn't have enough help around him? Well we were a well established Big East team before that season. Every player on the roster was recruited to play in the Big East. And we didn't have enough to beat a 12 seeded Ivy League team.

You are living in fantasy land. And the years are just ticking by.

And the whole "he's been through a lot" thing. Spare me. The dude gets paid MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR for his troubles. How he's become such a sympathetic figure around some of our fan base is crazy. He really gets people to buy into every single excuse he ever wants to sell. He's got it made in the shade.

 

[GarradJ21]

You know how our go to excuse for SK's SR year is that he just didn't have enough help around him? Well we were a well established Big East team before that season. Every player on the roster was recruited to play in the Big East. And we didn't have enough to beat a 12 seeded Ivy League team.

You are living in fantasy land. And the years are just ticking by.

And the whole "he's been through a lot" thing. Spare me. The dude gets paid MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR for his troubles. How he's become such a sympathetic figure around some of our fan base is crazy. He really gets people to buy into every single excuse he ever wants to sell. He's got it made in the shade.

So do you want to start a petition to fire him, I'm not sure what youre trying to say?

Or should we just keep complaining about our little tourney success and not get over it?

 

[Jon Rycek]

15 more from right now. Jeeeeesus man.

But why would you assume it'd be 15 more years, when it hasn't been 15 since the last time, or you just wanna bash the program/coach all day.

 

[Jon Rycek]

And I've already said what I think we need to do, we need to pick our recruiting game up, we need to start fishing a little more. We spend too much INO going after guys we know we can get. I don't want us spending all of our effort trying to get better players, I think we find some really good ones just outside the top 100. But there is no reason we should be able fill our team with top 150 guys and pepper in the top 30/40 player every other year or so. And I think we need some different assistant coaches, not because they aren't good, I think we have excellent assistants. I think they just mirror cronin more than they compliment him. I would love an offensive minded coach that mick was willing to listen to and work with. Mick certainly has his faults, but he is easily a top 5 defensive coach in the nation. Are we gonna get a guy with better credentials than that to fill his role? Really?

 

[Jon Rycek]

I don't think I would use the term "cherry on top". But yeah, that was before I knew that even our best team was capable of the biggest collapse in NCAA Tournament history. I though the Sweet 16 was the minimum. I was wrong. And now seeing the future, I'm putting a date on what I think needs to be accomplished. I'm not cool with just letting Mick have the job forever and defining himself what's success and what our ceiling is. Bc when he loses he just says it doesn't matter anyway. And that's bogus.

I think it's more than fair to tell a coach that 14/15 years and an 0-1 2nd weekend record at UC isn't good enough. And you can save the excuses.

And I thought Justin was the meltdown king (no offense Justin lol.) but so no excuses? He's coached 12, not 14-15 so we can evaluate that in 2-3 years. And 4 years we were completely rebuilding. Are we forgetting that? And not the usual rebuild, the literal we have football players on our team rebuild. We got back to prominence and what's happened? 8 straight tournaments. Who's the other 5 coaches that have done that? And in the end, it's all hilarious blaming Mick for this loss. He wasn't missing layups, he wasn't not getting hands in guys faces. You all are speculating that some late game adjustment was gonna miraculously stop Nevada. Could it have? Sure.. could it easily have not, sure. Speculation. What I do know is what actually happened, and that was our players couldn't stop nevada and they lost us the game. Sucks because I love all of our players, but it's the truth.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

But why would you assume it'd be 15 more years, when it hasn't been 15 since the last time, or you just wanna bash the program/coach all day.

You are too emotional to talk to about this stuff.

 

[Nayers]

I do not understand why people are trying to bash jakes take on the situation. It's totally fair to say give Cronin 3 more years and if he hasn't made a run to second weekend it's time to consider other options?

Rycek, what would be the minimum success needed to keep Cronin around, in your opinion?

 

[Hogsack]

And I thought Justin was the meltdown king (no offense Justin lol.) but so no excuses? He's coached 12, not 14-15 so we can evaluate that in 2-3 years. And 4 years we were completely rebuilding. Are we forgetting that? And not the usual rebuild, the literal we have football players on our team rebuild. We got back to prominence and what's happened? 8 straight tournaments. Who's the other 5 coaches that have done that? And in the end, it's all hilarious blaming Mick for this loss. He wasn't missing layups, he wasn't not getting hands in guys faces. You all are speculating that some late game adjustment was gonna miraculously stop Nevada. Could it have? Sure.. could it easily have not, sure. Speculation. What I do know is what actually happened, and that was our players couldn't stop nevada and they lost us the game. Sucks because I love all of our players, but it's the truth.

First off Jon, I would really like to commend you on your loyalty to the program and to Mick. I have to assume, based on your undying allegiance to him, that you have a personal connection to the Cronnin family....and loyal friends are worth their weight in gold. That said, I believe your heart is getting in the way of your head.
There's no doubting that the state of the program is better than what it was when Cronnin took over. However, their are many fans on and off this site that are beginning to believe that we have peaked under his leadership (me included). The notion that the program is doomed to failure should Mick depart is really pretty sad. Does the thought of starting over create some axiety??? Sure it does. I've played enough sports and worked in the corporate world for 22 years now and I've come to one conclusion.....fear of failure is paralyzing. It prevents creativity and breeds apathy. It generates an attitude that the situation, despite the results, are good enough the way they are. Fear destroys the possibility of a better future.
At some point you just have to roll the dice and hope we land a Mack, Miller, Huggins, Smart. Believe me.....they're out there and would kill for the opportunity to continue this remarkable saga that is UC basketball. The time ,for me is now!

 

[jacobkdoyle]

And I thought Justin was the meltdown king (no offense Justin lol.) but so no excuses? He's coached 12, not 14-15 so we can evaluate that in 2-3 years. And 4 years we were completely rebuilding. Are we forgetting that? And not the usual rebuild, the literal we have football players on our team rebuild. We got back to prominence and what's happened? 8 straight tournaments. Who's the other 5 coaches that have done that? And in the end, it's all hilarious blaming Mick for this loss. He wasn't missing layups, he wasn't not getting hands in guys faces. You all are speculating that some late game adjustment was gonna miraculously stop Nevada. Could it have? Sure.. could it easily have not, sure. Speculation. What I do know is what actually happened, and that was our players couldn't stop nevada and they lost us the game. Sucks because I love all of our players, but it's the truth.

That's the whole point buddy. If we don't win another conference title and make a 2nd weekend by then, I'm going to be ready to move on from Cronin.

Not sure why you can't just answer a simple question about what it'd take for you to get to that point. If the answer is that he never has to coach a 2nd weekend game ever again to keep the job for life, just say that. If you think he should've been fired yesterday, you can say that too. Not sure why you are so afraid of people defining expectations.

 

[waterhead]

So do you want to start a petition to fire him, I'm not sure what youre trying to say?

Or should we just keep complaining about our little tourney success and not get over it?

I am not starting the fire coach petition but I am sure someone will. However, many fans think tourney success we should have been complaining about BEFORE this year. It was becoming a "thing" for national media outlets BEFORE this year. There is really only one way to stop the complaining about a deep tourney run...and I'm not sure it's going to stop after just one run. A massive collapse is only going to fuel this fire.

So the answer for me is YES...I will be complaining about deep tourney runs until it happens...and possibly even until we can repeat it. I am not sure why that would be asking too much. We can point to conference affiliation all we want but it's just not an excuse for me.

We can celebrate other accomplishments along the way...there are some things to be proud of. Like it or not March Madness is a huge factor in every basketball season for a good % of fans. We can talk about conference championships and getting good quality kids to graduate etc...but deep tourney runs can only be measure in one way.

Cronin is a very good coach and he's just a few adjustments away from being one of the great coaches. Obviously most of that is on the offensive side of the ball and finding players who can produce when the situation calls for it.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Jon, I wrote this 2 days ago about the fans like yourself:

"I guess they just love him (Cronin) so much that they'll do anything to make sure he is thought of in the best possible light at all times no matter what. The answer always gets deflected and the blame gets reassigned, no matter the topic."

That's you in this thread bud.