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I honestly think SK is for the most part a finished product. He might with more repetition get a more consistent shot and might get stronger. He's not going to develop better handles, he's not going to get quicker. He could still develop intellectually to better use his body to help his ballhandling and to get his shot off, but for the most part he is a finished product. If he wants a shot at the NBA his best chance would be to leave now. I'm not saying he will make it, I don't think he will. I don't think he's good enough. I do think his weaknesses aren't as glaring to the NBA as some may think. The NBA is one-on-one and he usually gets in the most trouble when dribbling into traffic. He's somewhat effective when he has one man to beat and those "skills" will show off in individual drills. With that said I don't think he's good enough for the NBA, I think his asset would be as a shooter if any NBA team wanted to give him a look. And again I think his best chance to get a look is now and not after another year where he doesn't really improve. Seniors are almost dreaded by NBA teams anymore. His inevitability is to end up in Europe, but there's nothing wrong with that happening next year as opposed to in two years. The question is does he want to return or is he ready to get paid?

It's whole different world away from the US. It takes a certain type of individual to pack up and leave the comforts of home to venture overseas to live. Not to mention the racial issue in other countries, no matter how big an athletic superstar you are. I guess t depends on how much you're getting paid, but I can assure you you he won't be starting out making big bucks. If he's adaptable, he might stay a couple of years, but it hasn't been a great stepping stone to the NBA for Americans.
 
Haven't posted in awhile, but thought I'd touch on SK staying or leaving. I did skim though a few of the pages so if I'm repeating anything already said, my apologies.

For those that think it's a given that SK stays to improve his stock, I wouldn't be so sure. Now, I'm not guaranteeing he leaves. I'm not even saying it's more likely to happen than not. But I do think there's a decent chance he decides to go. Here's why:

The kid played a year at prep school prior to coming here. He then redshirted. So he's already about the age of what a 5th year senior would be had he come out at the age of 18. He's 23 years old. If he stays another year that obviously puts him at 24 (and a 1/2) heading into the draft.

So you say he stays to improve his game? I'm not sure there's much improvement to be had in terms of him improving draft stock. Physically, he's about as good as he's going to get. There's no significant added muscle or added speed to be gained by another year at this level. The only thing he could do would be to work on his shot, but how much better is that going to be after one more year here than it is after 15+ years of playing ball, and 4 years in a major D1 program? And I have to ask, if you're an NBA scout, couldn't he work on his shot just as easily at the next level?

I really think for him to improve his stock he'd have to come out and average something crazy like 25 a game. He's as good as he's going to get in terms of scouting. Maybe he gets a little better, but that could easily be countered by the fact he's another year older. Guys hitting the league at 22 are often considered "old" nowadays. A lot of teams pass on those guys because 1.) They are older, and 2.) If they had a better skillset they would have come on a year or two earlier. The NBA generally drafts based on potential. Imagine what a 24 year old will look like to many GM's. I don't see him ever breaking into the first round.

Does he stay for the degree? Well, he'll earn that this year. I don't know him personally, but I somehow doubt that going into a graduate program is at the top of his list of priorities.

And yeah, there is a very good chance he ends up playing overseas. And that's probably the case whether he leaves this year or next. But a lot of guys that go that route only end up playing into their late 20's. Many are back home before they hit 30. He's running out of time. The 100k or whatever he could see is good money, but if you only get 5, 6, 7 years over there is obviously not nearly enough to retire with or anything like that. Delaying another year may be something that he can't afford to do.

Fwiw, I've also heard him discussing his kid and talking about wanting to provide for her. That could play a role in all of this. It's at least something else to consider.

So really think about it. If you're SK why do stay? Degree? Nope, it'll be done. Improve your game, better stock? It's probably as good as it's going to get? Win a BE title or NC? The BE, by all accounts, will be done after this season, and let's be realistic, the chances of us competing for a NC next year are slim to none.

He might stay just because he likes it here and wants another year. Maybe he really does think he can develop into a better pro prospect than he already is. But I wouldn't be so quick to jump all over people who think that there is a decent to good chance he may leave. It's a definite possibility. I think both sides have an equal case to make. Therefore, I'd personally put the odds of him staying at 50-50.

PS I see Ralph is still around. That's got to be cool for everyone. :rolleyes:

Agreed and feel the same way. I was typing my reply before I read your post. We make alot of the same points. People get too wrapped up in the fact that a player isn't going to make it as to whether that affects his decision. $$$ affects the decision. I think he's ready to get paid and I don't blame him. If I were him I would throw my hat in the ring and see what happens. Worst case scenario is he ends up in Europe which would probably happen anyway.
 
It's whole different world away from the US. It takes a certain type of individual to pack up and leave the comforts of home to venture overseas to live. Not to mention the racial issue in other countries, no matter how big an athletic superstar you are. I guess t depends on how much you're getting paid, but I can assure you you he won't be starting out making big bucks. If he's adaptable, he might stay a couple of years, but it hasn't been a great stepping stone to the NBA for Americans.

Waiting around for your senior year and you are already older than a decent portion of players already on rosters isn't a great stepping stone to the NBA. As far as leaving the country and all I agree, but if some of the dumb guys we and other teams have sent overseas can make it I'm sure a stand-up guy with seemingly a good head on his shoulders can make it work. I've heard that some players love it over there and are treated like kings. I don't mean to say he should leave today with the thought in his mind he goes to Europe. I'm saying his best shot at the NBA is now. Europe is the fallback regardless if its this year or next .
 
I expect Kilpatrick to NOT sign with an agent, and go to the NBA predraft camp and gauge interest in him. If he plays well, and teams are interested, then he'll probably go for it, with Europe as a backup plan. If interest is low, he'll return to UC for another year.
 
We just need a competent big men. It just isn't possible to have any success in a power conference without a big man that can do anything on offense. It is becoming like the problem Huggy had getting a point guard. In 7 years to land just 1 big guy (my condolences to Mike Williams and John Williamson) that had any semblance of an offensive game is ridiculous. Hell, I would take one of those two guys on this team.
 
We just need a competent big men. It just isn't possible to have any success in a power conference without a big man that can do anything on offense. It is becoming like the problem Huggy had getting a point guard. In 7 years to land just 1 big guy (my condolences to Mike Williams and John Williamson) that had any semblance of an offensive game is ridiculous. Hell, I would take one of those two guys on this team.

Couldn't agree more! I honestly think we will get that with Strickland. Not sure why I am getting the feeling but from the little I see mixed in with a little unknown I am real excited to get him in a UC uni.
 
We just need a competent big men. It just isn't possible to have any success in a power conference without a big man that can do anything on offense. It is becoming like the problem Huggy had getting a point guard. In 7 years to land just 1 big guy (my condolences to Mike Williams and John Williamson) that had any semblance of an offensive game is ridiculous. Hell, I would take one of those two guys on this team.

Nova went to the Elite 8 in 2006 with Will Sheridan, their best big man, putting up very similar numbers to Mbodj. They also spent the entire season ranked in the top 8 of the AP poll.

I'd say Cash not being able to hit a shot and the lack of a consistent 4th scorer have been much bigger problems than the play of the bigs.
 
Nova went to the Elite 8 in 2006 with Will Sheridan, their best big man, putting up very similar numbers to Mbodj.

I'd say Cash not being able to hit a shot and the lack of a consistent 4th scorer have been much bigger problems than the play of the bigs.

They also had 3 guards in Allen Ray, Kyle Lowry and Randy Foye that were much better than the trio UC has. That doesn't even count Nardi who was a knockdown three point shooter. Comparing our three guards to those three is an insult to Villanova. They had 2 first round picks and both of those two are still successful contributors in the NBA.
 
They also had 3 guards in Allen Ray, Kyle Lowry and Randy Foye that were much better than the trio UC has. That doesn't even count Nardi who was a knockdown three point shooter. Comparing our three guards to those three is an insult to Villanova. They had 2 first round picks and both of those two are still successful contributors in the NBA.

Who's comparing the guards? You said it's not possible to have any success in a power conference without an offensive big man. I'd say Nova had plenty of success in 2006.
 
Who's comparing the guards? You said it's not possible to have any success in a power conference without an offensive big man. I'd say Nova had plenty of success in 2006.

It was rare case. I love how you took that statement as an end all be all. Having 1 team in recent memory just means that 99% of teams cannot compete successfully. UC doesn't have the talent to overcome that huge deficiency like Villanova did.
 
It was rare case. I love how you took that statement as an end all be all. Having 1 team in recent memory just means that 99% of teams cannot compete successfully. UC doesn't have the talent to overcome that huge deficiency like Villanova did.

Just pointing out that it is possible if you get enough scoring from your guards/wings. There are also other examples of teams like UConn that have had a lot of success without an offensive minded big man. They just need to be able to convert garbage points around the rim. I'd agree that we could definitely use an upgrade in that aspect.
 
Just pointing out that it is possible if you get enough scoring from your guards/wings. There are also other examples of teams like UConn that have had a lot of success without an offensive minded big man. They just need to be able to convert garbage points around the rim. I'd agree that we could definitely use an upgrade in that aspect.

Well since you were parsing for words earlier, I never said offensive big man. I simply just said one that is competent. To me that means, like you said, someone who can clean up around the rim off put backs and actually get rebounds. Mooj cannot do either of those things, which is why Rubles is the best rebounder on the team. To me Sheridan was a competent big man (I recall him getting that game winning lay up against UC --Hicks senior year). That UConn team had the best college basketball player and Alex Orihaki (sp?) would be an All-American compared to our front line.
 
Well since you were parsing for words earlier, I never said offensive big man. I simply just said one that is competent. To me that means, like you said, someone who can clean up around the rim off put backs and actually get rebounds. Mooj cannot do either of those things, which is why Rubles is the best rebounder on the team. To me Sheridan was a competent big man (I recall him getting that game winning lay up against UC --Hicks senior year). That UConn team had the best college basketball player and Alex Orihaki (sp?) would be an All-American compared to our front line.

That's true. You did say competent big man. Not sure I can put Sheridan in that group though considering he shot a lower percentage than Mbodj and his stats were basically identical despite a lot more playing time. Oriahki, however, is the type of defensive big that you can win with because he's strong around the basket. He was horrible in the two wins against us in the championship year though, 1-11 from the field. I really don't have a problem with the approach to find bigs that give you rebounding and blocks, but you have to at least find guys that can score or get to the line consistently within 3 feet. We need a Davante Gardner type to be in the front court mix.

Everyone now talking about how they want an offensive big, myself included, is quite ironic considering last year no one seemed to want Hammons (too slow, not athletic, Gates 2.0), while at the same time gushing over Obekpa, who is as offensively challenged as they come.
 
Just pointing out that it is possible if you get enough scoring from your guards/wings. There are also other examples of teams like UConn that have had a lot of success without an offensive minded big man. They just need to be able to convert garbage points around the rim. I'd agree that we could definitely use an upgrade in that aspect.

Duke won a national title one year with a big that rebounded, played defense and screened. Lack of a big man isn't the issues guys. That is getting so over played. Inability to make shots is the problem. You can't shoot 30-35% every game and be an elite team. You can't go 5-28 from 2 point range and miss ft's and be an elite team. This team gets shots in the paint. They simply miss them and it's not just the bigs. Earlier in the season they were hitting shots. Now they're not. It's that simple.
 
Duke won a national title one year with a big that rebounded, played defense and screened. Lack of a big man isn't the issues guys. That is getting so over played. Inability to make shots is the problem. You can't shoot 30-35% every game and be an elite team. You can't go 5-28 from 2 point range and miss ft's and be an elite team. This team gets shots in the paint. They simply miss them and it's not just the bigs. Earlier in the season they were hitting shots. Now they're not. It's that simple.
Jeff it isn't just the Bigs inability to score that is hurting production. It hurts spacing. They have a hard time handling entry passes. I'll agree we have fallen off in our shot making. How much of that is because opponenets perimeter defense has pushed farther out. Having a viable option to throw the ball to that the defense has to at least guard would go along way towards getting guys some open looks. Our bigs have trouble catching the ball much less scoring it. Cash's is also injured. No way he misses the shots he's missing and be helathy. He didn't just forget how to shoot. He is down 8 points a game since injury. Parker is a mental case at FT line. Rubles is thinking instead of playing.SK has to be perfect for us to hit 60+. I hope Cash finds his stroke and Parker hits some FT's. Can't see us beating Louisville at the Yum. Hope I'm wrong. When your only scoring 50 a game you have lots of holes.
 
Jeff it isn't just the Bigs inability to score that is hurting production. It hurts spacing. They have a hard time handling entry passes. I'll agree we have fallen off in our shot making. How much of that is because opponenets perimeter defense has pushed farther out. Having a viable option to throw the ball to that the defense has to at least guard would go along way towards getting guys some open looks. Our bigs have trouble catching the ball much less scoring it. Cash's is also injured. No way he misses the shots he's missing and be helathy. He didn't just forget how to shoot. He is down 8 points a game since injury. Parker is a mental case at FT line. Rubles is thinking instead of playing.SK has to be perfect for us to hit 60+. I hope Cash finds his stroke and Parker hits some FT's. Can't see us beating Louisville at the Yum. Hope I'm wrong. When your only scoring 50 a game you have lots of holes.

They have no confidence because they aren't hitting shots! My man if people can't see they are getting and missing a ton of wide open and point blank shots they aren't watching.
 
They have no confidence because they aren't hitting shots! My man if people can't see they are getting and missing a ton of wide open and point blank shots they aren't watching.
Your right about the fact that they haven't been making wide open shots. Was at the game saturday and Cash had a ton of wide open looks and he couldn't throw it in the ocean. Thats not counting the bigs who couldn't make a lay up. They aren't hitting FT's either. Need to get it turned around and Louisville would be a huge win. Just don't see one of the worst offenses beating one of the best defenses at their place. Again hope I'm wrong.
 
Your right about the fact that they haven't been making wide open shots. Was at the game saturday and Cash had a ton of wide open looks and he couldn't throw it in the ocean. Thats not counting the bigs who couldn't make a lay up. They aren't hitting FT's either. Need to get it turned around and Louisville would be a huge win. Just don't see one of the worst offenses beating one of the best defenses at their place. Again hope I'm wrong.

Surprisingly, they did hit their FT's (except poor JaQuon:eek:). They were 11-12 from the line. The problem was they needed to get to the line more frequently.
 
Your right about the fact that they haven't been making wide open shots. Was at the game saturday and Cash had a ton of wide open looks and he couldn't throw it in the ocean. Thats not counting the bigs who couldn't make a lay up. They aren't hitting FT's either. Need to get it turned around and Louisville would be a huge win. Just don't see one of the worst offenses beating one of the best defenses at their place. Again hope I'm wrong.

It wasn't just that they were missing them, they weren't even close. SK had a couple in and outs but he also had a couple wide open that barely hit the rim. I believe Parker had an airball, and Cash had quite a few wide open misses that were way off.

FT's have been solid with the exception of Parker, which there are no excuses for. That is just plain bad. Six graders shoot better than that. But others have been pretty good. Even though Mbodj made his, you have to expect the bigs to somewhat struggle at the line. Guards need to make them though.
 
It wasn't just that they were missing them, they weren't even close. SK had a couple in and outs but he also had a couple wide open that barely hit the rim. I believe Parker had an airball, and Cash had quite a few wide open misses that were way off.

FT's have been solid with the exception of Parker, which there are no excuses for. That is just plain bad. Six graders shoot better than that. But others have been pretty good. Even though Mbodj made his, you have to expect the bigs to somewhat struggle at the line. Guards need to make them though.
Yea, Parker was 1-9 by himself. Jackson didn't help against GT. I know waht you mean. Saturday early they wren't even close. I can't believe a guy like Parker can't shoot at least 70% from the line. He has nice form and isn't bad from the arc. Must be a head game now. Hope he gets it together.
 
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