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He is visited UK yesterday. As far as the Mack/Mick thing, all I need look at is what UC did in the BEast as opposed to what X did in the A10 following the brawl. Mick hands down. Again, UC beat more top 25 teams than any other team in the country. Also, Mick pulled his team together while Mack's fell apart. They both made the Sweet 16 but X got some lucky breaks. I don't hold that against them because that is part of the tournament, but let's be honest, they were extremely lucky to walk away from the ND game with a victory. The measure of how good a coach Mack is will come this season. He has adversity and all his own recruits. He can no longer live off of Sean Millers players.
 
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bearcat jeff said:
He is visited UK yesterday. As far as the Mack/Mick thing, all I need look at is what UC did in the BEast as opposed to what X did in the A10 following the brawl. Mick hands down. Again, UC beat more top 25 teams than any other team in the country. Also, Mick pulled his team together while Mack's fell apart. They both made the Sweet 16 but X got some lucky breaks. I don't hold that against them because that is part of the tournament, but let's be honest, they were extremely lucky to walk away from the ND game with a victory. The measure of how good a coach Mack is will come this season. He has adversity and all his own recruits. He can no longer live off of Sean Millers players.
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To be fair, there are some players who are just bad seeds and can ruin a team's chemistry, no matter the coach. Perhaps Lyons and Holloway are those type of players. With that said I don't have much faith in Mack but we will certainly see how well he can coach this year as you said. With the A-10 being as bad as it is, a good coach should be able to keep them at or near the top even in a rebuilding year.
 
david aka the TYZ said:
To be fair, there are some players who are just bad seeds and can ruin a team's chemistry, no matter the coach. Perhaps Lyons and Holloway are those type of players. With that said I don't have much faith in Mack but we will certainly see how well he can coach this year as you said. With the A-10 being as bad as it is, a good coach should be able to keep them at or near the top even in a rebuilding year.
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I rag on the A10 as much as anyone but it really isn't that terrible this year. I believe last year it was the 5th or 6th best conference(ahead of Pac12). Temple, VCU, SLU, UD, UMass, St Joes are going to be pretty good this year. Don't know anything about Butler.

That said, I highly doubt X finishes above .500 for the season
 
ucdave said:
Spoken like a true Muskequeer fan. Based on what? He's done nothing that impressed me so far, with his recruiting or his coaching. He was using strictly Sean Miller recruits before, let's see what he does this year with only "his guys" (except for Radford). I really think Mack will be looking for another job after this next season. But just my opinion.
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Mack has more tournament success and a higher regular season winning percentage than Cronin. That is how I determine success. You can say that the Big East is better and that Mack is playing with Miller's recruits, but you are only saying that because it tilts the odds in Cronin's favor. I don't have a way to objectively rate the coaches, but based on the criteria I think is important, Mack comes out ahead.

It's not that I think Cronin is a poor coach, (although him allowing Ibrahima Thomas to see the court may point otherwise) I just prefer Mack. I would take Cronin over plenty of high profile Big East coaches. Off the top of my head, JT3, Oliver Purnell and Mike Brey
 
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Mack has more tournament success and a higher regular season winning percentage than Cronin. That is how I determine success. You can say that the Big East is better and that Mack is playing with Miller's recruits, but you are only saying that because it tilts the odds in Cronin's favor. I don't have a way to objectively rate the coaches, but based on the criteria I think is important, Mack comes out ahead.

It's not that I think Cronin is a poor coach, (although him allowing Ibrahima Thomas to see the court may point otherwise) I just prefer Mack. I would take Cronin over plenty of high profile Big East coaches. Off the top of my head, JT3, Oliver Purnell and Mike Brey
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If you're basing that decision of straight statistics then ok. But you can't tell me, everything considered, youd feel more confident with Mack than mick
 
Scheids21 said:
If you're basing that decision of straight statistics then ok. But you can't tell me, everything considered, youd feel more confident with Mack than mick
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Tell me if you felt this way before last year. How frustrated were you when Cronin allowed Ibrahima Thomas to continue shooting from the perimeter?
 
Cronins won 52 games the past 2 years, taken a program near death in several ways and rebuilt it, restored the importance of an education and the image of the school. It was Mick Cronin who was applauded for his swift action following that embarassment brought on by Dez Wells. Mick Cronin has done a helluva job under adverse circumstances since he first signed on. That's just the truth.
 
Other than the 52 wins, everything you mentioned is subjective and your opinion. Again, not saying Cronin is a bad coach. We all have our own criteria for determining success.
 
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Tell me if you felt this way before last year. How frustrated were you when Cronin allowed Ibrahima Thomas to continue shooting from the perimeter?
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It was 2 years ago. 2 years ago I thought they were both decent coaches. The past 2 years has sent them in completely different directions for me.
 
more cowbell said:
Mack has more tournament success and a higher regular season winning percentage than Cronin. That is how I determine success. You can say that the Big East is better and that Mack is playing with Miller's recruits, but you are only saying that because it tilts the odds in Cronin's favor. I don't have a way to objectively rate the coaches, but based on the criteria I think is important, Mack comes out ahead

.It's not that I think Cronin is a poor coach, (although him allowing Ibrahima Thomas to see the court may point otherwise) I just prefer Mack. I would take Cronin over plenty of high profile Big East coaches. Off the top of my head, JT3, Oliver Purnell and Mike Brey
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You don't allow the arguements about the Big East being tougher or Mack playing with Miller's recruits by saying doing so tilts the debate into Cronin's favor. You then freely admit to not having an objective way to rate coaches so you pick the measurables that make Mack look better. Your assessment loses steam when you make it so arbitrary. Evenutally this will just devolve to you saying that Mack is better because he's taller and has less hair because that's what important to you.
 
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You don't allow the arguements about the Big East being tougher or Mack playing with Miller's recruits by saying doing so tilts the debate into Cronin's favor. You then freely admit to not having an objective way to rate coaches so you pick the measurables that make Mack look better. Your assessment loses steam when you make it so arbitrary. Evenutally this will just devolve to you saying that Mack is better because he's taller and has less hair because that's what important to you.
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Exactly, I was just coming on here to post something similar. Typical Xavier fan though, can't (or maybe refuse to) look at the bigger picture.
 
I see Mack moving on after this coming season, either by his choice or Xavier firing him. I hear he's not well liked and behind the scenes is having alot of the blame attributed to him.

He'd be best served to jump ship after next season. I don't think colleges with openings will hold one bad season against him.

As for Mack vs. Cronin, who's better? Geez, the winner of the A-10 would be lucky to finish middle of the pack in the Big East. It's a whole 'nother ballgame playing in the Big East. And I don't care if an A-10 team rises up and beats a Big East team here and there. Doesn't mean they're better. Just means they got "up" for that game. Seen it many times when Xavier beats UC. UC wants nothing to do with the game, and Xavier is like a fly buzzing around annoying the hell out of everyone. There is no conference in America that compares to playing b-ball in the Big East conference. It's a dogfight every game. Cronin has got his bunch overachieving. Mack has his bunch underachieving.
 
Personally I would take Cronin over Mack every day of the week and twice on Sunday. But you guys are being ridiculous for calling out cowbell because he likes Mack better. Like it or not, so far Mack has had more success than Cronin. You can say it's because he inherited Miller's players and while that may be true, he has still been to the sweet 16, what 3 times in how many years he's been there (numbers may be wrong). Cronin hasn't achieved that yet. I'd take Cronin for a number of reasons over Mack, one being that I think he will eventually achieve that and Mack won't continue to achieve that success, but as of now, Mack has achieved more.

Mick was on the hot seat basically up until the Xavier game of last year. His team was playing terribly and they didn't improve until Mick was forced into having to change the offense. I think the whole incident has changed Mick for the better and he has become a better coach because of it but frankly up until that game I had some serious doubts about him. He has done a tremendous job bringing UC back from death but IMO he seriously underachieved during Lance's year here and was underachieving up until the X game last year. Again, I think he has turned the corner for the better but it's not like he has been dominating the Big East like some are making it out to seem.
 
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Personally I would take Cronin over Mack every day of the week and twice on Sunday. But you guys are being ridiculous for calling out cowbell because he likes Mack better. Like it or not, so far Mack has had more success than Cronin. You can say it's because he inherited Miller's players and while that may be true, he has still been to the sweet 16, what 3 times in how many years he's been there (numbers may be wrong). Cronin hasn't achieved that yet. I'd take Cronin for a number of reasons over Mack, one being that I think he will eventually achieve that and Mack won't continue to achieve that success, but as of now, Mack has achieved more.

Mick was on the hot seat basically up until the Xavier game of last year. His team was playing terribly and they didn't improve until Mick was forced into having to change the offense. I think the whole incident has changed Mick for the better and he has become a better coach because of it but frankly up until that game I had some serious doubts about him. He has done a tremendous job bringing UC back from death but IMO he seriously underachieved during Lance's year here and was underachieving up until the X game last year. Again, I think he has turned the corner for the better but it's not like he has been dominating the Big East like some are making it out to seem.
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I'm not sure that he's being called out for just liking Mack better...maybe by some, but hopefully it's more teasing rather than mean spirited. My assertion was about the arbitrary and exclusionary process to which he got to the conclusion.
 
Rothstein reporting he is taking visits to Oregon, Maryland, Memphis, and Ohio State this weekend and making his decision early next week. Here's to hoping its Maryland or Oregon...
 
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Rothstein reporting he is taking visits to Oregon, Maryland, Memphis, and Ohio State this weekend and making his decision early next week. Here's to hoping its Maryland or Oregon...
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Oregon is quietly putting a strong squad together. Didn't they just nab Waverly Austin?
 

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