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sedziobs said:
So we should take guys who can't shoot against those teams? I'm not sure what your point is. This is a thread called "Potential Incoming Transfers".
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My point is we shouldn't be taking anyone that's playing those teams. Not unless they're averaging 18+ a game and are only a Fr or So. Even then it rarely works.

I'm really not trying to be the bad guy here, but this dude has no business playing at a school like Cincinnati. A former walkon from Monmouth, who's going to be a 5th year Sr. and averaged 12 a game? Guy averaged 3 rebounds and 1.5 assistant a game, so it's not like he's some elite passer or all around player either.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a kid like a kid like this could do well here. But IMO if we started filling out our roster with players like this we're already dead in the water. If this kid sees more than a couple minutes a game then we're in some serious, serious trouble.
 
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Queens_NYC said:
We were his best offer out of HS, so he should have some familiarity with the program from before he joined USF.

He's from Youngstown/Pittsburgh so hopefully being within driving distance of home is also incentive to interest him.
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He has always turned the ball over a lot, he's become a worse shooter every year, and he has a really high usage. I'm kinda surprised we're looking at him
 
MDW79 said:
My point is we shouldn't be taking anyone that's playing those teams. Not unless they're averaging 18+ a game and are only a Fr or So. Even then it rarely works.

I'm really not trying to be the bad guy here, but this dude has no business playing at a school like Cincinnati. A former walkon from Monmouth, who's going to be a 5th year Sr. and averaged 12 a game? Guy averaged 3 rebounds and 1.5 assistant a game, so it's not like he's some elite passer or all around player either.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a kid like a kid like this could do well here. But IMO if we started filling out our roster with players like this we're already dead in the water. If this kid sees more than a couple minutes a game then we're in some serious, serious trouble.
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The key to Xaviers team this year was Nate Johnson. He spent his first 3 years at Gardner Webb in the Big South.

Shooting translates.
 
MDW79 said:
My point is we shouldn't be taking anyone that's playing those teams. Not unless they're averaging 18+ a game and are only a Fr or So. Even then it rarely works.

I'm really not trying to be the bad guy here, but this dude has no business playing at a school like Cincinnati. A former walkon from Monmouth, who's going to be a 5th year Sr. and averaged 12 a game? Guy averaged 3 rebounds and 1.5 assistant a game, so it's not like he's some elite passer or all around player either.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a kid like a kid like this could do well here. But IMO if we started filling out our roster with players like this we're already dead in the water. If this kid sees more than a couple minutes a game then we're in some serious, serious trouble.
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Most players in the portal are like this, or guys that aren't playing much at all at p5 schools. PRPG is one of the best comprehensive offensive metrics, and Papas is top 35 in the portal.
 
Lets not act like we are above any transfer at the moment, at this point what right do we have to be picky, we have 4 guys on scholarship and a coach who is perceived as not being a personable coach and lying on the recruiting trail. I honestly do not believe a lot of these high major kids are wanting to play for Brannen, I may be wrong but if you had other major offers would you seriously consider UC at the moment? With how things have played out JB has dug himself a very deep grave and he is trying to claw out. Remember how much he talked up Rap? We all saw how that turned out. We can offer playing time and that's what a lot of these mid major kids want, they want a chance to play at a bigger school.
 
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cincrulz11 said:
He has always turned the ball over a lot, he's become a worse shooter every year, and he has a really high usage. I'm kinda surprised we're looking at him
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I'd like to think of him as a "Keith" type player.

Can thrive when he's playing alongside other good players (like when he played with Rideau and Yetna in 18-19) and is less effective when more of the load is placed on him.

If he's willing to take on a lesser role, I don't think we can turn down a player of his talent level. Considering Brannen's record with bringing in transfers, he may be among the higher caliber of players that we have a realistic shot at considering his regional connections.
 
I don't think Collins is very good, but I'll fill out a thin roster with guys like this for one year if we can't do better. I worry that he'd be Chris McNeal 2.0 though. If regional connections have weight for him, I'd think Penn St and Pitt would be more attractive.
 
sedziobs said:
I don't think Collins is very good, but I'll fill out a thin roster with guys like this for one year if we can't do better. I worry that he'd be Chris McNeal 2.0 though. If regional connections have weight for him, I'd think Penn St and Pitt would be more attractive.
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I don’t love him either but he would be a decent addition. I don’t think it will take much to be better than last year. I loved last years class and the potential of that class but they weren’t a finished product yet.
 
Toney seems like the name to get right now. Shore up guards with DDJ/MAW. The 3 of them would make a decent backcourt.
 
MDW79 said:
My point is we shouldn't be taking anyone that's playing those teams. Not unless they're averaging 18+ a game and are only a Fr or So. Even then it rarely works.

I'm really not trying to be the bad guy here, but this dude has no business playing at a school like Cincinnati. A former walkon from Monmouth, who's going to be a 5th year Sr. and averaged 12 a game? Guy averaged 3 rebounds and 1.5 assistant a game, so it's not like he's some elite passer or all around player either.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a kid like a kid like this could do well here. But IMO if we started filling out our roster with players like this we're already dead in the water. If this kid sees more than a couple minutes a game then we're in some serious, serious trouble.
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We need 7-8 good rotation guys. The rest can be developmental or role players. So we have room for just about anything. We have to get an impact 5 and wing. Need another shooter. The rest can be role play or HS.kids
 
One thing I would start doing if they don’t already is video early practice when concepts are being taught. Send those videos to new recruits to study until practice starts so we aren’t so far behind the learning curve.
 
cincyalum2014 said:
Lets not act like we are above any transfer at the moment, at this point what right do we have to be picky, we have 4 guys on scholarship and a coach who is perceived as not being a personable coach and lying on the recruiting trail. I honestly do not believe a lot of these high major kids are wanting to play for Brannen, I may be wrong but if you had other major offers would you seriously consider UC at the moment? With how things have played out JB has dug himself a very deep grave and he is trying to claw out. Remember how much he talked up Rap? We all saw how that turned out. We can offer playing time and that's what a lot of these mid major kids want, they want a chance to play at a bigger school.
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Remember similar things said about Adam H &
He couldn’t hit the ocean from the beach.
Rebounded a little but other than that....
 
Wake Forest freshman Emmanuel Okpomo says he’s heard from Cincinnati, Temple, Tulsa, Southern Mississippi, Siena, Marshall, SUU, ETSU, SIU, New Orleans.

6’10, 225-pound big with a 7’6 wingspan. Appeared in 14 games this season.
 
cincyalum2014 said:
Wake Forest freshman Emmanuel Okpomo says he’s heard from Cincinnati, Temple, Tulsa, Southern Mississippi, Siena, Marshall, SUU, ETSU, SIU, New Orleans.

6’10, 225-pound big with a 7’6 wingspan. Appeared in 14 games this season.
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Thats the kind of guy I'm taking a chance on. 9.6 block rate in very limited minutes. Plus Houston recruited him out of high school so that should make Justin happy.
 

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