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Let's wait to see what the final result of the season will be. If this team makes the NCAA again this talk stops for the most part. If not the bashing is legit. Final results will tell.

Fair enough bearcat. I have a feeling though that when uc makes the tourney again, ucbearcats will still want mick gone though
 
you sure? i looked last night was seein if xavier game was on espn 3 so i could see em lose not gonna lie but also looked c if uc game wed on didnt see it could just overlooked it tho
 
The sun even shines on a dog's ass some days.
Davidson's leading Kansas right now...(refs are helping Kansas.)
It's not like they blew the doors off Kentucky and it's not like Kentucky has ever been good on the road for Calipari.
He's 11-0, add that to the previous couple season's results, and he's still bad statistically speaking.
As for recruiting, the Indiana brand recruits by itself man.
More tradition, bigger more dedicated fan base.

So which one is it?

The school recruits or the coach?

Because earlier you said he was a great recruiter but bad coach.

Stop making up stuff. I hate Indiana basketball, but they have risen from the dead. Just waiting for UC to do the same without the same BS about where Mick started with this program
 
So which one is it?

The school recruits or the coach?

Because earlier you said he was a great recruiter but bad coach.

Stop making up stuff. I hate Indiana basketball, but they have risen from the dead. Just waiting for UC to do the same without the same BS about where Mick started with this program

You are acting like don't.

Mick is building up the program little by little. Changing it overnight like you want is impossible at 99% of schools...

Patience
 
So which one is it?

The school recruits or the coach?



Because earlier you said he was a great recruiter but bad coach.



No, I said he's had multiple great recruiting classes, I didn't say he was directly responsible for it. Quit grasping at straws.
I'm not making stuff up, they have far more fans, far more tradition and far more success than we do. They have 23 national titles to our 2....

Yes, they've risen, but it's not like they were going to stay down forever.
Bloomington is obsessed with basketball.
It's a lot like Columbus and Ohio State football.


Tom Crean's career took off on Dwayne Wade's shoulders. Last year he had a nice stock of talent and failed to do anything with it. Same with the year before that. I'll let the previous year slide because they were young, but seriously, stop crowning the man just because he's had a good 1/3 of a year. It's pathetic.
 
No, I said he's had multiple great recruiting classes, I didn't say he was directly responsible for it. Quit grasping at straws.
I'm not making stuff up, they have far more fans, far more tradition and far more success than we do. They have 23 national titles to our 2....

Yes, they've risen, but it's not like they were going to stay down forever.
Bloomington is obsessed with basketball.
It's a lot like Columbus and Ohio State football.


Tom Crean's career took off on Dwayne Wade's shoulders. Last year he had a nice stock of talent and failed to do anything with it. Same with the year before that. I'll let the previous year slide because they were young, but seriously, stop crowning the man just because he's had a good 1/3 of a year. It's pathetic.

Our schedule is soft....

But, Indiana is in the 240 SOS right now. They beat a good UK team. That's the only really good win to date. Notre Dame will struggle this year.
 
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Being 11-0... And beating the #1 team in the country... And only being in his 4th or 5th year after taking over from a disaster...And being able TO RECRUIT...has little to do with coaching?

Crowning?????

I call it facts

I could care less otherwise about Tom Crean and IU. Just, correcting your error on the post you made
 
Crowning?????

I call it facts

I could care less otherwise about Tom Crean and IU. Just, correcting your error on the post you made


There is no error, this discussion was started when I was mocking people calling him "the real deal". That's the point of contention you took.
You can't crown him/call him the real deal, because he had an 11-0 start..
I'm sorry, but winning 1/3 of your games, after 3 garbage seasons, with superior talent, doesn't make you the real deal, or make someone else lousy. That argument is moronic.
There is no error in the post prior to the last one either. I never said "Tom Crean is a good recruiter", you made that up. Which again just goes to show, you'll change your argument to what ever best suits your interest. You sir, are a whore! At least when it comes to debate.
 
There is no error, this discussion was started when I was mocking people calling him "the real deal". That's the point of contention you took.
You can't crown him/call him the real deal, because he had an 11-0 start..
I'm sorry, but winning 1/3 of your games, after 3 garbage seasons, with superior talent, doesn't make you the real deal, or make someone else lousy. That argument is moronic.
There is no error in the post prior to the last one either. I never said "Tom Crean is a good recruiter", you made that up. Which again just goes to show, you'll change your argument to what ever best suits your interest. You sir, are a whore! At least when it comes to debate.

Your comments are full of EXCUSES and opinion based. I'd expect nothing less from you butterfly when trying to have a reasonable debate

I provided facts. Cinci was supposed to have an easy schedule too. Yet, they have lost 3 already
 
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So which one is it?

The school recruits or the coach?

Because earlier you said he was a great recruiter but bad coach.

Stop making up stuff. I hate Indiana basketball, but they have risen from the dead. Just waiting for UC to do the same without the same BS about where Mick started with this program

I'm not happy with where UC is right now this season and while Indiana provides a decent comparison to UC's situation, it has to be taken with a huge grain of salt. IU was able to get a big name coach that had already been to the final four when their program was completely decimated. There was reason for that: incredible fan base, one of the best traditions in the country, a state that breeds big time basketball players that dream of going to IU, and a much less challenging B10.....I still think Crean is doing a heck of a job this year but IU had such an advantage that UC will never have.
 
If Cronin has back to back tournament seasons, I'm fairly certain people will stop whining. That's not to say, I think they'll bother to show up to games.
I think some fans are still delusional from the Huggins days. Not taking into account the difference in competition level, and the dumb dumbs who Huggins recruited.
One guy at work a while back, was commenting on how it didn't take Kennedy any time to get a 20 win season, I felt like kicking him in the nuts. Always annoys me when people ignore the context surrounding a situation.


On the other hand, it does seem like Mick is still learning. Is a great coach? Not yet. Does that mean he's a bad coach or unfit for Cincinnati? Not necessarily.
I think it's hilarious he was riding high in most people's minds, and because he has a rocky start to the season, they're all in Defcon batsh*t mode.
He deserves criticism, he doesn't deserve a lynch mob. That's not something I see a lot of here though.


I love the other boards I look at. People talking about how it's not fair to compare Cronin to Crean, because Crean is the real deal... Never mind that he had Dwayne fkn Wade to carry what was an otherwise forgettable team. Or that Indiana has had better recruiting classes that past few years, oh no, it must be that Crean is a coaching god blah blah blah blah...
Have you ever seen Crean's plays coming out of a time out? His teams don't execute well at all. Crean is a mediocore coach, with very good talent at his disposal.



I was just replying to this post from butterfly, longhall. I could care less about IU otherwise. Crean must be doing something right other than having D Wade at Marquette and coaching a prestigious program at IU.
 
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I was just replying to this post from butterfly, longhall. I could care less about IU otherwise. Crean must be doing something right other than having D Wade at Marquette and coaching a prestigious program at IU.

I hear ya.
 
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I was just replying to this post from butterfly, longhall. I could care less about IU otherwise. Crean must be doing something right other than having D Wade at Marquette and coaching a prestigious program at IU.

Or he just got lucky with Dwayne Wade, riding his talent to the Indiana job... As for my comment, of course it's opinion based. It's someone's opinion that Tom Crean is a good or bad coach, just as it's someone's opinion Cronin is a good or bad coach. Simply because it's based on opinion though, doesn't mean I base that opinion on nothing.
Look at the previous few years results. Is that what you call elite or good? No. Suppose he drops 15 games this year, and ends up in the NIT, then what? We haven't even really gotten into conference play yet.
It's just incredibly pre-mature to say he's a great coach, based on winning 11 games.

As for the 3 UC lost, yeah, some years you have rocky starts. Notice though, it's too early to declare it a success or failure. Likewise I'm not going to declare Tom Crean great, because he really hasn't accomplished anything at Indiana yet.
 
Butterfly, every coach rides their players coattails to the final four. One good player isn't enough to get to the final four. Crean did a heck of a job to get Marquette there. Saying otherwise just makes you look silly and bitter.
 
Butterfly, every coach rides their players coattails to the final four. One good player isn't enough to get to the final four. Crean did a heck of a job to get Marquette there. Saying otherwise just makes you look silly and bitter.

I'm not even going to read what butterfly replied with. I 2nd this post
 
Or he just got lucky with Dwayne Wade, riding his talent to the Indiana job... As for my comment, of course it's opinion based. It's someone's opinion that Tom Crean is a good or bad coach, just as it's someone's opinion Cronin is a good or bad coach. Simply because it's based on opinion though, doesn't mean I base that opinion on nothing.
Look at the previous few years results. Is that what you call elite or good? No. Suppose he drops 15 games this year, and ends up in the NIT, then what? We haven't even really gotten into conference play yet.
It's just incredibly pre-mature to say he's a great coach, based on winning 11 games.

As for the 3 UC lost, yeah, some years you have rocky starts. Notice though, it's too early to declare it a success or failure. Likewise I'm not going to declare Tom Crean great, because he really hasn't accomplished anything at Indiana yet.


Dwayne Wade was a great player, shouldn't Tom Crean get props for recruiting him? I don't really follow your logic here..........

That Marquette team also had more than just DWade. Steve Novak and Travis Diener were both terrific college players and both went on to play in the NBA. They also had a pretty tall center who was a force down low, I can't remember his name but he was a terrific shot blocker and defender. It's not like DWade was surrounded by a bunch of clowns and single handedly willed that team to the Final 4. It's also not like once DWade left Marquette became a terrible team. Tom Crean did a great job at Marquette and appears to be doing a good job so far at IU. To say otherwise is not based on facts.

I don't really understand why people want to compare Mick to Crean. They aren't on the same level, and if you look at stats Mick has no place to even be in the same conversation with Tom Crean. For anyone to say that Mick Cronin is a great or even good coach and then to try to say that Tom Crean isn't makes no sense.

Tom Crean, by all accounts, seems to be a good guy. I remember when Huggins had his heart attack and Tom Crean was on ESPN being interviewed and started crying because he respected Huggins a lot and though of him as a good friend. Tom Crean is also a very good basketball coach, I find your biased opinions of him to be somewhat strange.
 
Dwayne Wade was a great player, shouldn't Tom Crean get props for recruiting him? I don't really follow your logic here..........

That Marquette team also had more than just DWade. Steve Novak and Travis Diener were both terrific college players and both went on to play in the NBA. They also had a pretty tall center who was a force down low, I can't remember his name but he was a terrific shot blocker and defender. It's not like DWade was surrounded by a bunch of clowns and single handedly willed that team to the Final 4. It's also not like once DWade left Marquette became a terrible team. Tom Crean did a great job at Marquette and appears to be doing a good job so far at IU. To say otherwise is not based on facts.

I don't really understand why people want to compare Mick to Crean. They aren't on the same level, and if you look at stats Mick has no place to even be in the same conversation with Tom Crean. For anyone to say that Mick Cronin is a great or even good coach and then to try to say that Tom Crean isn't makes no sense.

Tom Crean, by all accounts, seems to be a good guy. I remember when Huggins had his heart attack and Tom Crean was on ESPN being interviewed and started crying because he respected Huggins a lot and though of him as a good friend. Tom Crean is also a very good basketball coach, I find your biased opinions of him to be somewhat strange.

Tom crean is not in micks league. His whole career is based off dwayne wade. Hes done nothing to solidify public opinion of him being a great coach.

Mick has the advantage in every coaching category against crean
 
Tom crean is not in micks league. His whole career is based off dwayne wade. Hes done nothing to solidify public opinion of him being a great coach.

Mick has the advantage in every coaching category against crean

Maybe the stupidest post you've ever written. I would argue against you with facts and numbers and rational viewpoints, but this is so stupid I won't even waste my energy.
 
Maybe the stupidest post you've ever written. I would argue against you with facts and numbers and rational viewpoints, but this is so stupid I won't even waste my energy.

I noticed in your diatribe that you could not refute a single point I made. I just decimated you in this argument
 
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