I think he was runner up for the Minnesota job. Just because normal people aren’t aware of him, the coaching world could have. I doubt many people outside the coaching world heard of brad stephens before he was a coachSo if you're leaning towards a resume like Nored's then why not hire Van Exel as HC?
Who would you rather have, Nored or Van Exel as HC? If it's Nored then I'd love to hear specific reasons.
I'll take your word for it that Nored is a "rising star" in the coaching world (fwiw, today is the first I've ever hear of him). Has been attatched to a lot of other college HC jobs? If he's a rising star than I would assume the mid majors have been beating down his door.
I think he was runner up for the Minnesota job. Just because normal people aren’t aware of him, the coaching world could have. I doubt many people outside the coaching world heard of brad stephens before he was a coach
I'm struggling to understand what boxes Nored checks that Nick does not. It's automatically assumed that Nored "will be all about analytics" but it's "just a hope" with Nick. Why is this exactly? Can you explain to me the differences in their roles as an NBA assistant?
People complain when it’s someone that we know, because it’s “a lazy hire”, then people complain when they do a search and find someone we haven’t heard of. Can’t win
If we want to talk age, the nba is making a big push to go younger, likely because these guys are more familiar with the modern game. 10 coaches are 45 or younger.
What does the NBA have to do with college? Is there a big push for college coaches to be 45 and younger too?
Where did Ronald Nored come from? Forgive me if I missed it, I just had a 12 hour shift at the hospital so I am a little behind on things. Did Chad mention him somewhere? I listened to Mo Egger yesterday and Erik was in contract negotiations so I assumed it was a done deal and they were waiting to announce in respect to Darrin Davenport? Did I miss something?
Those of us beating the analytics drum prefer a candidate who has proven he can implement it at the college level. That's why we throw out names like Casey Alexander. Don't act like we've all been pining for Nored. We're only talking about him because it seems like he and Martin are the last two candidates on the short list.Look, I'm not saying that Martin or Van Exel have the perfect resume, or are known commodities as far as HC's. But neither is this guy. He's an absolute nobody, with zero connections to the city and zero name recognition. Why are some diminish are own former players by tearing down their resumes while simulataneously going out of their way to hold this guy's up? It makes no sense.
This guy has accomplished dick-all. He has no real head coaching experience. He has no recuruiting experience. He has no name recognition. And he offers nothing to get the fanbase energized.
But...but...but... he's young! The analytics! Erik and Nick don't know analytics like this kid!
I think Chad jumped the gun a bit. Multiple candidates can have second interviews and contract negotiations.Where did Ronald Nored come from? Forgive me if I missed it, I just had a 12 hour shift at the hospital so I am a little behind on things. Did Chad mention him somewhere? I listened to Mo Egger yesterday and Erik was in contract negotiations so I assumed it was a done deal and they were waiting to announce in respect to Darrin Davenport? Did I miss something?
This guy is a "rising star" because he interviewed for Minnesota job and didn't get it?
You do know that the guy who got the Minnesota job (Ben Johnson) was Travis Steele's assistant, right?
So this guy, who is a "rising star" lost out on a job to Travis Steeles 4th assistant (how you term non assistant HC's), and that's supposed to be a huge feather in his cap?
Look, I'm not saying that Martin or Van Exel have the perfect resume, or are known commodities as far as HC's. But neither is this guy. He's an absolute nobody, with zero connections to the city and zero name recognition. Why are some diminish are own former players by tearing down their resumes while simulataneously going out of their way to hold this guy's up? It makes no sense.
This guy has accomplished dick-all. He has no real head coaching experience. He has no recuruiting experience. He has no name recognition. And he offers nothing to get the fanbase energized.
But...but...but... he's young! The analytics! Erik and Nick don't know analytics like this kid!
There are probably going to be more Nate Oates type guys. Plenty of them will bust. Some of them might be really good.
Nate Oats - 46
Erik Martin - 49
Nick Van Exel - 49
Ronald Nored - 31
One of these is not like the others.
The idea would be getting a Nate oats or great coach early. Age doesn’t really matter to me
Those of us beating the analytics drum prefer a candidate who has proven he can implement it at the college level. That's why we throw out names like Casey Alexander.
Mick cronin is at UCLA. He can get great players. He couldn’t go to the the final four here. Might have helped him to be an analytics guy.I just don't understand why it's automaticalluy assumed one NBA assistant coach (Nored) knows analytics while another NBA assistant coach (Van Exel) may not.
The only explanation I've gotten is that Nored coached with Brad Stevens for 2 years and that he's 31 vs. Van Exel's 49.
I'm not even sure why're were assuming Erik Martin has no experience in analytics. I find hard to believe that in over a decade and a half of coaching experience, with the bulk of it coming under the tutelage of one of the greatest college coaches of all time, that they haven't incorperated at some level.
To each their own, but I think the analytics angle is way overemphaized. Analytics is already built into coaching strategies, without ever assigning a name to it.
Analytics is what drives someone like David Bell to pull a starting pitcher after only 5 or 6 innings of 1 run baseball, to then have his middle relievers get absolutely blown the f up.
I'm not saying it doesn't have a place in sports, but acting like it should be your primary trait in looking for a HC seems a bit much. It seems like people watched Money Ball one too many times, and forget that most of all those same old basketball coaches are still kicking ass. They may have created a marriage between old school and new school, but in no way are the analytics guys. (Boeheim, Coach K, Izzo, , Huggins, Caliapri, Self, Barnes, Pitino, etc.)
Tom Izzo will shove John Brannen's dorky analytics ass into locker and run his out of the gym by at least 20 points. Kelvin Sampon and his old ass, hit the glass coaching just beat us twice by a combined scored of like 95 points.
And Brannen being big analytics guy, how'd that work out? Casey Alexander seems like a pretty similar type of hire to me (HC success at Little Sisters of the Poor + analytics guy)
You know who's not an analytics guy? Mick Cronin. Dude just made the Final Four. His replacement, who was, is now looking for a new job.