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[cincrulz11]

With nothing happening yesterday, does anybody think Chad might of jumped the gun because he was tired of getting scooped during this entire process?

I thought it was weird that he tweeted Martin got a 2nd interview yesterday around 5:30, after he posted the smoke stacks much earlier in the day

 

[cincyguy13]

With nothing happening yesterday, does anybody think Chad might of jumped the gun because he was tired of getting scooped during this entire process?

I thought it was weird that he tweeted Martin got a 2nd interview yesterday around 5:30, after he posted the smoke stacks much earlier in the day

He talks about it on last nights BCJ podcast. Says they haven’t hired anyone. Threw out a new name. Some young guy, forget the name. Played for butler on those runner up teams. I thought that was an interesting name

 

[cincrulz11]

He talks about it on last nights BCJ podcast. Says they haven’t hired anyone. Threw out a new name. Some young guy, forget the name. Played for butler on those runner up teams. I thought that was an interesting name

Ronald Nored


It was weird Chad brought him up last night. Nored would be the type of guy us analytical nerds would love.

 

[cincyguy13]

Ronald Nored


It was weird Chad brought him up last night. Nored would be the type of guy us analytical nerds would love.

I’d like it. I’d take that all day over a retread

 

[cincrulz11]

I’d like it. I’d take that all day over a retread

Wait till people realize he was on John Brannen's staff for a season at NKU.


That should get em going in the morning.

 

[cincrulz11]

Ronald Nored is just 31 years old. Starting his career for a season coaching high school, moved on to g-league assistant, then spent a year as an assistant for Brad Stevens in Boston, then spent a year at NKU, then 2 years as head coach of a G-League team, and for the past 3 years has been an assistant with the Charlotte Hornets.

Works with them on player development and using video footage from each game to work on scheme and stuff for the next game.


There's an athletic article written about his last year

https://theathletic.com/1597365/202...ips-and-a-laptop-to-help-the-hornets-develop/

 

[cincyguy13]

Wait till people realize he was on John Brannen's staff for a season at NKU.


That should get em going in the morning.

Chad said it didn’t go well though. So maybe he hated brannen also. That might make some fans like him

 

[cincrulz11]

Chad said it didn’t go well though. So maybe he hated brannen also. That might make some fans like him

That seems likely. Here is a Nored quote

"For player development, it starts with building a relationship with a player and earning his trust, making him feel like when he walks in the building he’s in a safe environment to improve. Without that and if there’s no trust, there’s no relationship."

 

[cincyalum2014]

All the smoke is still pointing to Erik Martin, I know they were in contract negotiations yesterday. Huggins and Cunningham had a 30 min phone call yesterday talking about Erik. I would assume something would come out by tomorrow, I don't know if they announce a new coach today out of respect to Darrin Daveport's funeral being today (That's just my take). I know based on Justin and Chad we will know by tomorrow at the latest.

 

[kskenyon4]

All the smoke is still pointing to Erik Martin, I know they were in contract negotiations yesterday. Huggins and Cunningham had a 30 min phone call yesterday talking about Erik. I would assume something would come out by tomorrow, I don't know if they announce a new coach today out of respect to Darrin Daveport's funeral being today (That's just my take). I know based on Justin and Chad we will know by tomorrow at the latest.

The one time in this process I'm okay waiting a day, out of respect. Would love to have it wrapped ASAP after though. No matter who it is this contract will be an interesting deep read...

 

[sedziobs]

Nored would be a guy associated with modern basketball. His name might be more recognizable to recruits than Erik Martin. His connection to Brannen is funny, but really he's part of the Brad Stevens tree, having worked with LaMelo Ball and Kemba Walker in an organization owned by Michael Jordan. He's got midwest roots and east coast pro connections. I'm glad he's at least on the short list. If Martin does get the job over him, hopefully it means the AD thought he made an even more compelling case (beyond pleasing donors).

 

[MDW79]

Ronald Nored is just 31 years old. Starting his career for a season coaching high school, moved on to g-league assistant, then spent a year as an assistant for Brad Stevens in Boston, then spent a year at NKU, then 2 years as head coach of a G-League team, and for the past 3 years has been an assistant with the Charlotte Hornets.

Works with them on player development and using video footage from each game to work on scheme and stuff for the next game.


There's an athletic article written about his last year

https://theathletic.com/1597365/202...ips-and-a-laptop-to-help-the-hornets-develop/

Sounds like his resume his kinda similar to Nick Van Exel's

Years as an NBA Assistant Coach
Van Exel - 8
Nored - 5

Years as a G-League Head Coach
Van Exel - 1
Nored - 3

Years as a G League Assistant
Van Exel - 2
Nored - 2

Years as a College Assistant
Van Exel - 2
Nored - 2

Misc
Van Exel - 3 years as NBA scout, 13 years as NBA player
Nored - 2 years as assistant high school coach

 

[sedziobs]

Sounds like his resume his kinda similar to Nick Van Exel's

Yeah, it is in a lot of ways. The advantages for Van Exel are that he was a star in the NBA, ties to the university, and he would more likely stay at UC long term. The advantages for Nored are he'd be the head coach, he's a young rising candidate, and he is smart (had an offer from Harvard).

 

[MDW79]

1.) Nored would be a guy associated with modern basketball.

2.) His name might be more recognizable to recruits than Erik Martin.

3.) His connection to Brannen is funny, but really he's part of the Brad Stevens tree, having worked with LaMelo Ball and Kemba Walker in an organization owned by Michael Jordan.

1.) Honest question(s): why is he associated with "modern basketball"? Is it because he's younger? NBA coaching background?

I honestly don't know much about the guy. Was his role as an NBA assistant different from someone like Van Exel's? Did he focus on more analytics than the average assistant?

2.) Would it? Are kids these days really following the assistant NBA coaches that much? Would his name be more recognizanle than Nick's? What is it about this guy that makes him more of a name hire? (I honestly don't know anything more than what I just wikipedia'd.)

3.) If he gets a checkmark for working with Lamelo Ball and Kemba Walker, does Van Exel get a check mark for all of NBA players he worked with in his 8 years as an assistant? Or is Nored's job responsibility different than what Nick was doing in terms of development?

I will agree that being employed by Michael Jordan is a plus. Although, so is being a teammate of Kobe, Shaq, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitski, Tim Duncan and being currently employed by Mark Cuban.

Note: I hope this isn't coming across as snarky. I'm just trying to understand what makes this guy's resume pop.

 

[cincrulz11]

Nored would be a guy associated with modern basketball. His name might be more recognizable to recruits than Erik Martin. His connection to Brannen is funny, but really he's part of the Brad Stevens tree, having worked with LaMelo Ball and Kemba Walker in an organization owned by Michael Jordan. He's got midwest roots and east coast pro connections. I'm glad he's at least on the short list. If Martin does get the job over him, hopefully it means the AD thought he made an even more compelling case (beyond pleasing donors).

He's still a guy that would be a super risky hire because he has no experience in being a head coach. I'm still not really in favor of that type of hire, but it appears we are going that direction no matter what.


Martin definitely is going to have the advantage in recruiting right off the rip, especially in ohio. Nored is likely much more familiar with the modern game. Can Martin coach? Can Nored recruit at all?


Pretty big holes for both of them.

 

[sedziobs]

Honest question(s):

So the first thing to point out is Van Exel isn't the head coaching candidate. The head to head comparison with Martin is the one I was making when referring to modern basketball and name recognition. Nored learned from Brad Stevens and is now under Borrego, who learned from Popovich. I'd consider that more modern than Huggins. I don't think any 18 year olds know who Erik Martin is, so it's not a high bar. Some of them might have watched Nored play in the finals against Duke, especially if they're from Indiana.

I'd agree that NVE has a lot of the same experience as Nored with better name recognition especially around Cincinnati. The main difference is that Nored is a rising star in the coaching world.

 

[sedziobs]

He's still a guy that would be a super risky hire because he has no experience in being a head coach. I'm still not really in favor of that type of hire, but it appears we are going that direction no matter what.

Martin definitely is going to have the advantage in recruiting right off the rip, especially in ohio. Nored is likely much more familiar with the modern game. Can Martin coach? Can Nored recruit at all?

Pretty big holes for both of them.

Yes, questions for each since neither have proven they can win in college. But both have potential to be very successful here if they leverage their strengths and bring in assistants to help with their weaknesses.

 

[cincrulz11]

I'd agree that NVE has a lot of the same experience as Nored with better name recognition especially around Cincinnati. The main difference is that Nored is a rising star in the coaching world.

The big difference with them having the same resume, which they pretty much do, is one will turn 50 this year and the other just turned 31.


Also we know for sure Nored will be all about the analytics, its just a hope that NVE would be (but if he is, I would really like that combo with Martin).

 

[MDW79]

The big difference with them having the same resume, which they pretty much do, is one will turn 50 this year and the other just turned 31.


Also we know for sure Nored will be all about the analytics, its just a hope that NVE would be (but if he is, I would really like that combo with Martin).

There's another big difference you missed: 99.9% of Bearcat fans know who Nick Van Exel is, and he has ties to the program and most importantly the city (boosters, donors, $$$$). I venture that less than 1% of fans know Nored is.

Now that alone is not enough to make a hire, but it's at least worth considering.

I'm struggling to understand what boxes Nored checks that Nick does not. It's automatically assumed that Nored "will be all about analytics" but it's "just a hope" with Nick. Why is this exactly? Can you explain to me the differences in their roles as an NBA assistant?

I guess I can understand those that don't want Martin as head coach. But I can't understand why if you want a coach like Nored why you wouldn't just hire Nick as HC instead. He clearly has the better resume.

Fwiw, here are the ages of the coaches who just played in the Sweet 16 (I wasn't aware that being 50 is negative):

Wayne Tickle - 55
Porter Moser - 52
Jay Wright - 59
Scott Drew - 50
Eric Mussleman - 56
Paul Mills - 49
Jim Boeheim - 76
Kelvin Sampson - 65
Greg McDermott - 56
Mark Few - 58
Leonard Hamilton - 72
Juwan Howard - 48
Mick Cronin - 49
Nate Oats - 46
Dana Altman - 62
Andy Enfield - 51

Average Age - 56.5 years old.

 

[MDW79]

So the first thing to point out is Van Exel isn't the head coaching candidate. The head to head comparison with Martin is the one I was making when referring to modern basketball and name recognition. Nored learned from Brad Stevens and is now under Borrego, who learned from Popovich. I'd consider that more modern than Huggins. I don't think any 18 year olds know who Erik Martin is, so it's not a high bar. Some of them might have watched Nored play in the finals against Duke, especially if they're from Indiana.

I'd agree that NVE has a lot of the same experience as Nored with better name recognition especially around Cincinnati. The main difference is that Nored is a rising star in the coaching world.

So if you're leaning towards a resume like Nored's then why not hire Van Exel as HC?

Who would you rather have, Nored or Van Exel as HC? If it's Nored then I'd love to hear specific reasons.

I'll take your word for it that Nored is a "rising star" in the coaching world (fwiw, today is the first I've ever heard of him). Has been attatched to a lot of other college HC jobs? If he's a rising star than I would assume the mid majors have been beating down his door.

PS Fwiw, I doubt many high school kids remember a guy who averaged 5 pts a game, from a championship game 11 years ago (when they were between 5 and 8 years old).