Temple Round 2

[nkywestside]

Speed definitely isn't overrated. And using one example from 14 years ago doesn't prove a point. I guess I could point to Spud Webb as a reason why being 5'6 isn't a disadvantage. That said, Clark's issue isn't foot speed, but he is too slow to react, mainly because he doesn't have great post skills yet. Same with Ellis.

I think maybe you missed what I was trying to say. Clark's skill set is such that speed or quickness does not have to be an issue with him. You say he is too slow to react, I say he does this deliberately to help set himself up for a back-in and bucket. He waits for things to space and then he attacks. All I'm saying is I believe he has many more offensive skills to display that what we have seen. And yes, I do believe speed can be overrated for a skilled offensive player such as Clark. He is savvy enough. Just needs to trust his face up game because I believe he is a legitimate 18pt 10rb guy going forward. I only brought up Logan up because he was so advanced with his BB IQ, his dribbling ability, and his shooting skills, that speed wasn't an issue for him. Most recently McDermitt is a good example of this. Now I'm definately not putting Clark in that category but I think he has the ability to play in and out and make his opponent play him all over not just on the block.

 

[bearcat jeff]

I think Clark has everything to be a double double guy night in and night out. He is way too tentative. Once he trusts himself watch out.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

We need to get him in some sort of big man camp if possible. I'm not sold on our coaches ability to teach an inside game.

 

[UCalum08]

We need to get him in some sort of big man camp if possible. I'm not sold on our coaches ability to teach an inside game.

You are justified for feeling that way. We have not been able to land or really develop any kind of a successful big man.

 

[TheLongHaul]

I think Clark has everything to be a double double guy night in and night out. He is way too tentative. Once he trusts himself watch out.

It's more than trust, he needs some post moves as well. Beginning of the year there was no tape on him, now coaches no what he does and does not do. Developing more post moves in the off-season will pay huge dividends.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

You are justified for feeling that way. We have not been able to land or really develop any kind of a successful big man.

You must have a really short memory

2012-13 Justin Jackson 3.8 PPG 41.8% FG 5.1 REB 1.4 BLKS
2013-14 Justin Jackson 11.1 PPG 53.2% FG 7.3 REB 2.9 BLKS

 

[david aka the TYZ]

You must have a really short memory

2012-13 Justin Jackson 3.8 PPG 41.8% FG 5.1 REB 1.4 BLKS
2013-14 Justin Jackson 11.1 PPG 53.2% FG 7.3 REB 2.9 BLKS

I'll respond since he was agreeing to my post. I don't want to suggest our coaches don't improve players because they do but in Jackson's case I think it was more just a motivational issue than a fundamental issue with him. His 11 points a game weren't because he was destroying people with his fundamentals. Jackson's size kind of limited his ability to be a "beast" so to speak down low. But getting the most out of a player is part of coaching and part of developing a player and Cronin and his staff have done that with many players. You look at a guy like Yancy and if he would've had Jackson's energy and will it would've been interesting to see if he had developed into the beast we all wanted. And with him I think his lack of reaching his potential was more on him than the coaches. It's hard to say if our coaches can really develop a big man or not, but thus far we haven't seen a guy turn into a "beast" down low. Part of that might be Cronin's desire to have quick and athletic players in the post. Part of it could be just bad, I'll say "luck" in not getting any recruits that could develop into something great. But Clark and Ellis I think are two guys that could buck the trend. Clark especially being a four-year guy and a sponge when it comes to wanting to learn and play hard. I think Mick knows the game of basketball as well as any of the top coaches so hopefully he can pass that knowledge onto these players and Clark specifically in this case.

 

[UCalum08]

I'll respond since he was agreeing to my post. I don't want to suggest our coaches don't improve players because they do but in Jackson's case I think it was more just a motivational issue than a fundamental issue with him. His 11 points a game weren't because he was destroying people with his fundamentals. Jackson's size kind of limited his ability to be a "beast" so to speak down low. But getting the most out of a player is part of coaching and part of developing a player and Cronin and his staff have done that with many players. You look at a guy like Yancy and if he would've had Jackson's energy and will it would've been interesting to see if he had developed into the beast we all wanted. And with him I think his lack of reaching his potential was more on him than the coaches. It's hard to say if our coaches can really develop a big man or not, but thus far we haven't seen a guy turn into a "beast" down low. Part of that might be Cronin's desire to have quick and athletic players in the post. Part of it could be just bad, I'll say "luck" in not getting any recruits that could develop into something great. But Clark and Ellis I think are two guys that could buck the trend. Clark especially being a four-year guy and a sponge when it comes to wanting to learn and play hard. I think Mick knows the game of basketball as well as any of the top coaches so hopefully he can pass that knowledge onto these players and Clark specifically in this case.

Thanks for responding, very well said.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

I'll respond since he was agreeing to my post. I don't want to suggest our coaches don't improve players because they do but in Jackson's case I think it was more just a motivational issue than a fundamental issue with him. His 11 points a game weren't because he was destroying people with his fundamentals. Jackson's size kind of limited his ability to be a "beast" so to speak down low. But getting the most out of a player is part of coaching and part of developing a player and Cronin and his staff have done that with many players. You look at a guy like Yancy and if he would've had Jackson's energy and will it would've been interesting to see if he had developed into the beast we all wanted. And with him I think his lack of reaching his potential was more on him than the coaches. It's hard to say if our coaches can really develop a big man or not, but thus far we haven't seen a guy turn into a "beast" down low. Part of that might be Cronin's desire to have quick and athletic players in the post. Part of it could be just bad, I'll say "luck" in not getting any recruits that could develop into something great. But Clark and Ellis I think are two guys that could buck the trend. Clark especially being a four-year guy and a sponge when it comes to wanting to learn and play hard. I think Mick knows the game of basketball as well as any of the top coaches so hopefully he can pass that knowledge onto these players and Clark specifically in this case.

Exactly. It's a two way street. Yancy is a good kid but NEVER had the innate desire to be an elite player, just one of those kids that was too skilled not to play basketball. All the coaching in the world cannot help some players.

 

[Bulldog01]

Dude I'm not sure what to say to you, your seriously confused

Don't say nothing is your best bet. I'm not confused about NOTHING!!! Clark is going to be special but that has nothing to do with him reacting slow in post. He's still last man down court on defense a lot still. FYI, I called Clark being slow when playing in all star game last year in California.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I'll respond since he was agreeing to my post. I don't want to suggest our coaches don't improve players because they do but in Jackson's case I think it was more just a motivational issue than a fundamental issue with him. His 11 points a game weren't because he was destroying people with his fundamentals. Jackson's size kind of limited his ability to be a "beast" so to speak down low. But getting the most out of a player is part of coaching and part of developing a player and Cronin and his staff have done that with many players. You look at a guy like Yancy and if he would've had Jackson's energy and will it would've been interesting to see if he had developed into the beast we all wanted. And with him I think his lack of reaching his potential was more on him than the coaches. It's hard to say if our coaches can really develop a big man or not, but thus far we haven't seen a guy turn into a "beast" down low. Part of that might be Cronin's desire to have quick and athletic players in the post. Part of it could be just bad, I'll say "luck" in not getting any recruits that could develop into something great. But Clark and Ellis I think are two guys that could buck the trend. Clark especially being a four-year guy and a sponge when it comes to wanting to learn and play hard. I think Mick knows the game of basketball as well as any of the top coaches so hopefully he can pass that knowledge onto these players and Clark specifically in this case.

I think a lot of it is a college bball problem in general. The guys who have size and are polished in the post are 1 and dones. I think for the most part, our 4 year bigs have panned out pretty well by career end. And I agree on Clark. He will be good sooner than that.

 

[mdchick]

Don't say nothing is your best bet. I'm not confused about NOTHING!!! Clark is going to be special but that has nothing to do with him reacting slow in post. He's still last man down court on defense a lot still. FYI, I called Clark being slow when playing in all star game last year in California.

He's the last person down the court because he is always trying to get an offensive rebound ayiyiyi

Do you know how basketball works

 

[Bulldog01]

He's the last person down the court because he is always trying to get an offensive rebound ayiyiyi

Do you know how basketball works

nah. Didn't know your supposed be ALWAYS last man down court because you went for offensive rebound. Thanks for
nochicks basketball 101

 

[mdchick]

nah. Didn't know your supposed be ALWAYS last man down court because you went for offensive rebound. Thanks for
nochicks basketball 101

No problem anything else you need help with just let me know

 

[JackBauer151]

nah. Didn't know your supposed be ALWAYS last man down court because you went for offensive rebound. Thanks for
nochicks basketball 101

This is just nonsense which is the norm coming from you. How many times this year has Clark been the trail man and blocked a shot getting back on D? Quite a few. He is not ALWAYS the last man down the court. Also I remember you calling him out about his play in Cali and he, of course, ends up being one of the top freshmen in the conference. Also one of the best freshmen rebounders in the conutry. Calling him slow is just ridiculous. He may not react with the ball as fast as he needs to in the post but that just comes with the territory when dealing with freshmen post players.

 

[Bulldog01]

This is just nonsense which is the norm coming from you. How many times this year has Clark been the trail man and blocked a shot getting back on D? Quite a few. He is not ALWAYS the last man down the court. Also I remember you calling him out about his play in Cali and he, of course, ends up being one of the top freshmen in the conference. Also one of the best freshmen rebounders in the conutry. Calling him slow is just ridiculous. He may not react with the ball as fast as he needs to in the post but that just comes with the territory when dealing with freshmen post players.

Lol, What being slow has to do with stats? He moves around court slow as dirt. Good player just isn't all that athletic

 

[Bulldog01]

No problem anything else you need help with just let me know

Go root for NKU

 

[waterhead]

Lol, What being slow has to do with stats? He moves around court slow as dirt. Good player just isn't all that athletic

He's 5th in the league in rebounds, 9th in steals and 4th in blocks.

He doesn't get ANY of that by being "not all that athletic"

 

[FTBearcats]

Lol, What being slow has to do with stats? He moves around court slow as dirt. Good player just isn't all that athletic

What does that even mean? Gary Clark is one of the best freshmen players that Cronin has brought here. Calling him slow and not that athletic is hard to understand.

 

[nkywestside]

Lol, What being slow has to do with stats? He moves around court slow as dirt. Good player just isn't all that athletic

Once again being athletic has nothing to do with being a basketball player. I'd rather be Clark "slow" than Shaq "fast and athletic". One is a basketball player and the other isn't.