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[Jon Rycek]

What ?

What the hell are you talking about?

Oh you don't remember bashing us for taking too many 3s?

 

[Jon Rycek]

What ?

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm not digging through the archives this time. I remember it very clearly, we wouldn't be as good if we kept shooting as many 3s as we were. And I tried to explain to you, when you are shooting almost 40% as a team then you SHOULD be shooting them. But you weren't hearing it..

 

[cincrulz11]

Agreed. Jennifer is interesting to me because his percentage is good but has some really ugly misses still.

small sample sizes can be very misleading. his entire career sample size is small enough where only a couple games can give you a pretty big change in his career numbers. take out his 3 best games of his entire career and his career average goes from 37% to 31%.

he has been hot a couple times over his career and those games have really boosted the overall numbers.


vs a guy like evans that shoots so many, 38% is likely closer to his true percent.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

small sample sizes can be very misleading. his entire career sample size is small enough where only a couple games can give you a pretty big change in his career numbers. take out his 3 best games of his entire career and his career average goes from 37% to 31%.

he has been hot a couple times over his career and those games have really boosted the overall numbers.


vs a guy like evans that shoots so many, 38% is likely closer to his true percent.

If Jenifer isn't hunting shots, I don't ever mind him taking the 3s that come to him. He has that shot down when given time.

 

[justinhub2003]

I'm not digging through the archives this time. I remember it very clearly, we wouldn't be as good if we kept shooting as many 3s as we were. And I tried to explain to you, when you are shooting almost 40% as a team then you SHOULD be shooting them. But you weren't hearing it..

Wrong guy dude

Went back and looked at every single post of mine through this year, I never once said we took too many 3 pointers. You literally have a vendetta against me and Its because your confused.


In fact, in the Cayman Island thread, I mentioned how well we were shooting from 3, basically the same post as I did today and even mentioned Keith as holding us back as a team

 

[cincrulz11]

If Jenifer isn't hunting shots, I don't ever mind him taking the 3s that come to him. He has that shot down when given time.

dont know if 'has that shot down' is the correct phrase for it. he only shoots wide open ones and hasn't been hitting since we got out of november.


with as bad as his misses are i'd guess he's much closer to a 30% shooter than 40% shooter if he was taking 150+ a season.

 

[justinhub2003]

dont know if 'has that shot down' is the correct phrase for it. he only shoots wide open ones and hasn't been hitting since we got out of november.


with as bad as his misses are i'd guess he's much closer to a 30% shooter than 40% shooter if he was taking 150+ a season.

I mean, I think thats his point, Jenifer is only taking smart shots. Which mean he will never take 150 3's. As long as his 3's are taken in rhythm and when he is open, he can be a high percentage shooter.

I mean, I don't think anyone is saying Jenifer is an elite shooter. He is a guy who when he has the ball in late clock situations, can hit that shot when left open.


I mean, we can say Jenifer's shot it ugly, but there is a team across town with a starting PG who is shooting a whopping 5% from 3 and his backup with 12%.

Jenifer's shooting is an asset. PERIOD

 

[justinhub2003]

dont know if 'has that shot down' is the correct phrase for it. he only shoots wide open ones and hasn't been hitting since we got out of november.


with as bad as his misses are i'd guess he's much closer to a 30% shooter than 40% shooter if he was taking 150+ a season.

Add in the last 5 games, Jenifer is shooting 36% from 3. Which again is not at all bad.

we have 5 guys who've taken 32 3 point shots and the 38% Is the lowest of any of those players. 32 3 pointers in 14 games is at least 2 a game, its not a huge sample, but its good enough to call us a good shooting team and more importantly an efficient 3 point shooting team

 

[cincrulz11]

I mean, I think thats his point, Jenifer is only taking smart shots. Which mean he will never take 150 3's. As long as his 3's are taken in rhythm and when he is open, he can be a high percentage shooter.

I mean, I don't think anyone is saying Jenifer is an elite shooter. He is a guy who when he has the ball in late clock situations, can hit that shot when left open.


Jenifer's shooting is an asset. PERIOD

no i mean if it was possible to shoot 150 wide open ones (and thats not even a lot of 3s).


76 career games, 73 of them he's shot 31-99 31% from 3, 3 of them he's shot 11-14 78%. (and if you want to be fair and take out the 3 best and the 3 worst, then you come to 28-88, which is 31.8%)

gary shot 52% from 3 as a sophomore (25 attempts) and followed it up with 28% as a jr (49 attempts).

Cane is at 43% this year in 32 attempts and shot 31% last year on 212 attempts. If I was forced to pick a number for him for the future I'd pick closer to 31% all day.

KJ shot 35% his sophomore year and 31% the other 3 years.

Dion Dixon shot 35.6% as a JR as 26.7% the other 3 years.

samples sizes are just far too small. you know the good shooters when you see them. Even the misses look good. Evans is that kind of guy.

 

[coachpipe]

Interesting stat:

If you take away Keith Williams 17 3 point attempts, this team is a 40% 3 point shooting team.

From here on out, if Keith just doesn’t shoot 3’s, we’re one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the country

it looks like Keith shoots with the palm of his hand. his shot is sooo wacky haha. Im not a fan of him shooting right now

 

[waterhead]

it looks like Keith shoots with the palm of his hand. his shot is sooo wacky haha. Im not a fan of him shooting right now

His green light should be on in very few circumstances from 3. When we get a big lead we can try to let him get his confidence going maybe. If the clock is under 5 and he's open. Other than that let him defend and do what he can to cut the lane up.

 

[waterhead]

no i mean if it was possible to shoot 150 wide open ones (and thats not even a lot of 3s).


76 career games, 73 of them he's shot 31-99 31% from 3, 3 of them he's shot 11-14 78%. (and if you want to be fair and take out the 3 best and the 3 worst, then you come to 28-88, which is 31.8%)

gary shot 52% from 3 as a sophomore (25 attempts) and followed it up with 28% as a jr (49 attempts).

Cane is at 43% this year in 32 attempts and shot 31% last year on 212 attempts. If I was forced to pick a number for him for the future I'd pick closer to 31% all day.

KJ shot 35% his sophomore year and 31% the other 3 years.

Dion Dixon shot 35.6% as a JR as 26.7% the other 3 years.

samples sizes are just far too small. you know the good shooters when you see them. Even the misses look good. Evans is that kind of guy.

Jenifer usually picks very smart shots and his % goes way down when he's rushed by the clock or a defender closing quick. That's when his shot misses the rim for the most part. He (like most) can make 35% plus if he's shooting the open shots. For the most part this team has been pretty smart about when to launch a 3 which is part of the reason we are shooting so well. When your whole team can score it helps with making good choices. We don't have an SK situation here where one player is asked to carry the load and get the ball off as much as possible.

We will find ourselves in more of those situations as we start playing better teams and the clock is winding down because of good D. Our % will likely drop but we are still better than years past because anyone on the team can shoot if we are forced by the clock.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Wrong guy dude

Went back and looked at every single post of mine through this year, I never once said we took too many 3 pointers. You literally have a vendetta against me and Its because your confused.


In fact, in the Cayman Island thread, I mentioned how well we were shooting from 3, basically the same post as I did today and even mentioned Keith as holding us back as a team

I think cincyguy13 was saying wide open 3s aren't always good shots. That's when the % were brought up. That what I immediately thought of when I saw these posts.

I do remember you being happy when we only shots 8 3s in a game bc it was a game with a lot of FT attempts. So maybe that was it. Idk.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I mean, I think thats his point, Jenifer is only taking smart shots. Which mean he will never take 150 3's. As long as his 3's are taken in rhythm and when he is open, he can be a high percentage shooter.

I mean, I don't think anyone is saying Jenifer is an elite shooter. He is a guy who when he has the ball in late clock situations, can hit that shot when left open.


I mean, we can say Jenifer's shot it ugly, but there is a team across town with a starting PG who is shooting a whopping 5% from 3 and his backup with 12%.

Jenifer's shooting is an asset. PERIOD

Yeah exactly. He must take the open ones always no questions asked.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

no i mean if it was possible to shoot 150 wide open ones (and thats not even a lot of 3s).


76 career games, 73 of them he's shot 31-99 31% from 3, 3 of them he's shot 11-14 78%. (and if you want to be fair and take out the 3 best and the 3 worst, then you come to 28-88, which is 31.8%)

gary shot 52% from 3 as a sophomore (25 attempts) and followed it up with 28% as a jr (49 attempts).

Cane is at 43% this year in 32 attempts and shot 31% last year on 212 attempts. If I was forced to pick a number for him for the future I'd pick closer to 31% all day.

KJ shot 35% his sophomore year and 31% the other 3 years.

Dion Dixon shot 35.6% as a JR as 26.7% the other 3 years.

samples sizes are just far too small. you know the good shooters when you see them. Even the misses look good. Evans is that kind of guy.

I completely get it. But Jenifer can't pass up open looks. It doesn't work for our offense.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

His green light should be on in very few circumstances from 3. When we get a big lead we can try to let him get his confidence going maybe. If the clock is under 5 and he's open. Other than that let him defend and do what he can to cut the lane up.

Williams feels like he's hurrying a lot of the time. Once he learns the speed and flow of the game the way our upperclassmen have, his % might go up a tick just from that.

 

[UCalum08]

Broome is out for tonight's game.

 

[justinhub2003]

Broome is out for tonight's game.

This is a bummer

 

[cincrulz11]

Yeah exactly. He must take the open ones always no questions asked.

He’s probably going to get plenty of chances. Xavier and Florida didn’t even try to guard him. They just had his man constantly double our bigs

 

[Jon Rycek]

Williams feels like he's hurrying a lot of the time. Once he learns the speed and flow of the game the way our upperclassmen have, his % might go up a tick just from that.

Yeah when he gets a little room at the 3 point line he just jacks it up sometimes. When our offense is getting anything going he will take a few bad shots here and there. Like you said once he gets the flow down, understands what a good shot is a little better his percentage should go up. I don't expect him to be an elite 3 point shooter ever, but he so quick off the dribble he doesn't need to be, as long as the threat is there to some degree.