@Temple

[waterhead]

Looking at some metrics on T-rank for "close 2's" and "far 2's". I think close one's are probably mostly layups and very short range like floaters. Dunks are in a different category at 90% for team. But let's look at a starting 5 of Eason, JD, KW, DD and Harvey. Showing close 2, far 2 and 3 pt%.

Williams close 66%, far 19%, three 31%
Davenport 70%, 50%, 35%
Harvey 82%, 11%, 46%
Eason 60%, 17%, 28%
DD 65%, 47%, 21%

Clearly Davenport stands out here as being able to hit them all at a reasonable rate. Keith is probably way down on far 2's because he's the guy with the ball in his hands when time is running out. But he should pull up 3 more than shoot the jumper. Harvey has been really good when he gets in the lane and shooting 3's. Eason doesn't need to shoot the long 2. DD seems like his numbers can reflect he can shoot from anywhere as long as that 3% is on the rise.

 

[Loser Mentality]

Looking at some metrics on T-rank for "close 2's" and "far 2's". I think close one's are probably mostly layups and very short range like floaters. Dunks are in a different category at 90% for team. But let's look at a starting 5 of Eason, JD, KW, DD and Harvey. Showing close 2, far 2 and 3 pt%.

Williams close 66%, far 19%, three 31%
Davenport 70%, 50%, 35%
Harvey 82%, 11%, 46%
Eason 60%, 17%, 28%
DD 65%, 47%, 21%

Clearly Davenport stands out here as being able to hit them all at a reasonable rate. Keith is probably way down on far 2's because he's the guy with the ball in his hands when time is running out. But he should pull up 3 more than shoot the jumper. Harvey has been really good when he gets in the lane and shooting 3's. Eason doesn't need to shoot the long 2. DD seems like his numbers can reflect he can shoot from anywhere as long as that 3% is on the rise.

Remember when Keith had a decent Mid range game that made him an intriguing player year 1 and 2, somewhat 3, and doesn't exist year 4.

As small as Maw, DD, and Gold Hair are you would think our assists would be through the roof. If I was coaching, I would require those guys to drive and dish for easier opportunities for Eason and Vogt. These guards aren't anywhere near being scoring type players so they have to be the brains of the operation.

If I really wanted to be disappointed, I would be disappointed with MAW. He has been less than a shell of himself this year. Maybe it's the DD affect.

This season isn't over, yet..but it's easy to see what should be prioritized, if Brannen is building then recruit the players you need, if he's teaching so far Year 2 has been a bust on player progression. Just being honest.

 

[waterhead]

Remember when Keith had a decent Mid range game that made him an intriguing player year 1 and 2, somewhat 3, and doesn't exist year 4.

As small as Maw, DD, and Gold Hair are you would think our assists would be through the roof. If I was coaching, I would require those guys to drive and dish for easier opportunities for Eason and Vogt. These guards aren't anywhere near being scoring type players so they have to be the brains of the operation.

If I really wanted to be disappointed, I would be disappointed with MAW. He has been less than a shell of himself this year. Maybe it's the DD affect.

This season isn't over, yet..but it's easy to see what should be prioritized, if Brannen is building then recruit the players you need, if he's teaching so far Year 2 has been a bust on player progression. Just being honest.

Keith has really never had a good mid range game % wise. He's been in the mid 30's but you can do that from 3. This year he's the guy having to make last second plays so the drop seems about right. He's always had someone else that had to force shots up last second...so most of his came in the flow of the game in the past.

His overall 2% has been about the same every year.

 

[cincyguy13]

Keith has really never had a good mid range game % wise. He's been in the mid 30's but you can do that from 3. This year he's the guy having to make last second plays so the drop seems about right. He's always had someone else that had to force shots up last second...so most of his came in the flow of the game in the past.

His overall 2% has been about the same every year.

Yeah, he’s never been a great shooter. Not sure what he was talking about. He only pulls up midrange because he tries to dribble past guys and can’t get by them

 

[justinhub2003]

John better do something to make Tari happier.

His mom ain’t happy with the way her son is utilized. And Tari himself didn’t look happy.

We lose Tari to transfer then you lose the fan base

 

[Queens_NYC]

John better do something to make Tari happier.

His mom ain’t happy with the way her son is utilized. And Tari himself didn’t look happy.

We lose Tari to transfer then you lose the fan base

Got a bad feeling Tari ends up at UW next season. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[cincyguy13]

John better do something to make Tari happier.

His mom ain’t happy with the way her son is utilized. And Tari himself didn’t look happy.

We lose Tari to transfer then you lose the fan base

Saw on Twitter, tari has played more than any freshmen at Cincinnati since lance Stephenson. Not sure what brannen is supposed to do. If tari waits 6 weeks, it’s pretty much his team going forward.

 

[cincyguy13]

Got a bad feeling Tari ends up at UW next season. Hope I'm wrong.

I could see him leaving. With the transfer rules what they are, I wouldn’t be surprised if anyone leaves. Hope he doesn’t but nothing you can really do if he wants to leave

 

[justinhub2003]

Saw on Twitter, tari has played more than any freshmen at Cincinnati since lance Stephenson. Not sure what brannen is supposed to do. If tari waits 6 weeks, it’s pretty much his team going forward.

She ain’t whining about playing time.

It’s about usage.

We don’t have a playmaker on this team. And we rarely try to put Tari in positions to score the ball.

I don’t think she likes the way he is used in johns system.


This is a big change for her as she was a big defender of the program to start the season.

 

[sedziobs]

Tari has an ORtg of 91.8, and a TO Rate of 24.3. Both of those are worst on the team among guys playing at least 15 minutes. His usage is second highest on the team after Keith. That's a higher usage than Cumberland's first two years, and higher than Clark or Evans ever had. It's about the same as Kilpatrick's freshman year, when he had an ORtg of 113 and a TO Rate of 15. But we should run more offense through him just to please his mom? No thanks.

Freshmen typically turn the ball over a lot. He'll improve as he gets experience. I'm not ready to stake the future of the program on one player, especially if it makes our team worse. If he leaves, so be it. We can't be a program that hands the keys to freshmen who aren't 5 stars.

 

[waterhead]

John better do something to make Tari happier.

His mom ain’t happy with the way her son is utilized. And Tari himself didn’t look happy.

We lose Tari to transfer then you lose the fan base

ROFL! You think the entire fan base is hinging on a 4 star recruit?

Is that fan base your household?

 

[justinhub2003]

ROFL! You think the entire fan base is hinging on a 4 star recruit?

Is that fan base your household?

Check both this board and others.

Apathy is worse than outrage. If you lose Tari, whilst also making zero noise this season and zero noise in the 2021 class, you don’t think doubt and apathy really start to kick in for an even larger part of the fan base?

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Bearcats fans are fine losing recruits, games and top tier talent.



I mean ROFL???? Was it really that funny?? You realize losing Tari doesn’t happen in vacuum. Its a culmination of losses with very little moral wins for the this program.

If you lose Tari, you kinda lose hope in the future of the team. On a per 40 min basis, Tari outrebounds,& out scores Gary Clark freshman year.

Lolol what is hilarious is that Tari is one of the guys the brannen defenders uses as an example of why brannen can recruit. Now if he loses him, it’s fine. Doesn’t matter.

 

[sedziobs]

No one is saying we don't care if Tari leaves. We're saying don't cater to him or his mom by making him the focus of the offense right now when he does more harm than good with the ball in his hands. The fact that Tari is outscoring Gary's freshman year is part of the problem. He creates a bunch of wasted possessions in the process. We want him to stick around and get better, but it's his choice.

 

[cincyguy13]

Tari has an ORtg of 91.8, and a TO Rate of 24.3. Both of those are worst on the team among guys playing at least 15 minutes. His usage is second highest on the team after Keith. That's a higher usage than Cumberland's first two years, and higher than Clark or Evans ever had. It's about the same as Kilpatrick's freshman year, when he had an ORtg of 113 and a TO Rate of 15. But we should run more offense through him just to please his mom? No thanks.

Freshmen typically turn the ball over a lot. He'll improve as he gets experience. I'm not ready to stake the future of the program on one player, especially if it makes our team worse. If he leaves, so be it. We can't be a program that hands the keys to freshmen who aren't 5 stars.

This. Justin is just up to his old tactics. Trying to start something.

I ask Justin, what more can brannen do? Plays more than pretty much every freshmen in the last 10 years and usage is more than his actually production.

 

[cincyguy13]

Check both this board and others.

Apathy is worse than outrage. If you lose Tari, whilst also making zero noise this season and zero noise in the 2021 class, you don’t think doubt and apathy really start to kick in for an even larger part of the fan base?

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Bearcats fans are fine losing recruits, games and top tier talent.



I mean ROFL???? Was it really that funny?? You realize losing Tari doesn’t happen in vacuum. Its a culmination of losses with very little moral wins for the this program.

If you lose Tari, you kinda lose hope in the future of the team. On a per 40 min basis, Tari outrebounds,& out scores Gary Clark freshman year.

Lolol what is hilarious is that Tari is one of the guys the brannen defenders uses as an example of why brannen can recruit. Now if he loses him, it’s fine. Doesn’t matter.

The last sentence is his classics move. Make things up no one says. He’s consistent I guess

 

[skyblade]

I'm with Justin, losing Tari means we should lose Brannen. Yes, Tari hasn't been that good. But he also has been forced to play out of position and that seems to be his mom's issue.

It's not a new issue, Cronin frequently spoke about the fact that bigs don't want to play the 5. Guys want to handle the ball and shoot threes, not bang on the interior. All indications are that Rap left the team for that reason.

It is a issue that Brannen has brought on himself by not recruiting at the 5. We needed to get a freshman 5 to develop in his year one, instead we have a void that Brannen has tried to fill by playing guys out of position. Given that Vogt is leaving and Diarra seems not to have developed (or been given a chance to develop), it's a void that will exist next year. If Eason doesn't want to play the 5, then transferring at the end of the season is the sensible move.

Given Brannen's track record at recruiting/developing bigs and especially transfer bigs, we are going to need a miracle next year to be competitive if Eason leaves (and even if he doesn't we will have issues with big men depth). Another Vogt/Sorolla/Rap/Lakhin isn't going to cut it. If Eason goes, that's my last straw with Brannen.

 

[cincyguy13]

I'm with Justin, losing Tari means we should lose Brannen. Yes, Tari hasn't been that good. But he also has been forced to play out of position and that seems to be his mom's issue.

It's not a new issue, Cronin frequently spoke about the fact that bigs don't want to play the 5. Guys want to handle the ball and shoot threes, not bang on the interior. All indications are that Rap left the team for that reason.

It is a issue that Brannen has brought on himself by not recruiting at the 5. We needed to get a freshman 5 to develop in his year one, instead we have a void that Brannen has tried to fill by playing guys out of position. Given that Vogt is leaving and Diarra seems not to have developed (or been given a chance to develop), it's a void that will exist next year. If Eason doesn't want to play the 5, then transferring at the end of the season is the sensible move.

Given Brannen's track record at recruiting/developing bigs and especially transfer bigs, we are going to need a miracle next year to be competitive if Eason leaves (and even if he doesn't we will have issues with big men depth). Another Vogt/Sorolla/Rap/Lakhin isn't going to cut it. If Eason goes, that's my last straw with Brannen.

Your last straw. I’m sure brannen is worried sick.

 

[skyblade]

I also agree that Tari hasn't been that good this year. He makes nice plays at times, but he doesn't have the reliability of a freshman Gary Clark. Eason commits too many TO's and makes too many freshmen mistakes. He has a lot of potential, but he will be a while reaching it.

My bigger issue is that he is the only big man we have on the team who seems like he could be a high impact guy over the next few years. Lakhin looks like another Vogt/Rap/Sorolla. Diarra I still believe could be good, but he's only here one more year and Brannen doesn't seem to want to give him a chance. That's it. You can't win with only guards.

Eason is not good enough that he should be able to dictate terms to Brannen. But Brannen has put himself in a position where he needs to let Eason play the 4 if that's what Eason wants. Too much hinges on keeping Eason happy. If we had more depth at the 4/5 it's a different story.

But Brannen has recruited only one quality big man in two years. That is already bad, if that one quality big man leaves than that is worthy of giving Brannen the boot.

 

[sedziobs]

We know there is a huge hole at the 5 this year. Everyone is aware. Maybe Tari will leave if he's expected to play the 5 long term. That's not something that's going to change this year though. Giving him the ball more isn't going to help that situation. Let's not act like adjusting our game plan to Tari's mom is a realistic strategy.

 

[cincyguy13]

I also agree that Tari hasn't been that good this year. He makes nice plays at times, but he doesn't have the reliability of a freshman Gary Clark. Eason commits too many TO's and makes too many freshmen mistakes. He has a lot of potential, but he will be a while reaching it.

My bigger issue is that he is the only big man we have on the team who seems like he could be a high impact guy over the next few years. Lakhin looks like another Vogt/Rap/Sorolla. Diarra I still believe could be good, but he's only here one more year and Brannen doesn't seem to want to give him a chance. That's it. You can't win with only guards.

Eason is not good enough that he should be able to dictate terms to Brannen. But Brannen has put himself in a position where he needs to let Eason play the 4 if that's what Eason wants. Too much hinges on keeping Eason happy. If we had more depth at the 4/5 it's a different story.

But Brannen has recruited only one quality big man in two years. That is already bad, if that one quality big man leaves than that is worthy of giving Brannen the boot.

Actually agree with some of this. Eason right now isn’t good enough to alter you’re philosophy. If he was John wall level or even Sk, but he’s not. Can he be great? Sure, but at this point he isn’t even close. But brannen has put himself in this position. It’s really hard to find big men. We all know that, but that’s his job.

Also, he’s not getting fired. They aren’t firing a guy after winning the league in his first year against all mighty Houston. Especially in 2 of the wierdest seasons ever and he hasn’t even been able to play a tournament game yet. You guys can be “done” or want him out all you want but it’s not happening anytime soon. Waste of time talking about it